Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread

[bud29]

Weird move by the Wiz. Also, Doc just traded his son lol.

I think this move indicates that Doc isn't running the show anymore. There have been rumors that Cousins goes to Washington via sign and trade with Porter coming back to New Orleans, seems like that could be a lot more likely after this deal.

Porter at SF in NO would be a pretty good addition. I don't think NO needs Cousins anyway, AD is so damn good and Holiday was a beast.

Yeah, plus Mirotic worked out well at PF and is a really good fit there. I think that trade would help both teams involved - Rondo/Holiday/Porter/Mirotic/Davis and Wall/Beal/Oubre/Morris/Cousins are both really stout starting lineups.


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[Prokorov]

I think this move indicates that Doc isn't running the show anymore. There have been rumors that Cousins goes to Washington via sign and trade with Porter coming back to New Orleans, seems like that could be a lot more likely after this deal.

Porter at SF in NO would be a pretty good addition. I don't think NO needs Cousins anyway, AD is so damn good and Holiday was a beast.

Yeah, plus Mirotic worked out well at PF and is a really good fit there. I think that trade would help both teams involved - Rondo/Holiday/Porter/Mirotic/Davis and Wall/Beal/Oubre/Morris/Cousins are both really stout starting lineups.


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You cant deal cousins for porter. Cousins is a stud. Porter is a role player. if porter was making 12 million a year and you shave cap off cousins sure, but porter makes like 27-28 million. its a bad deal. Porter isnt really all that good. people are just in love with his three point shooting. while the game has become very 3 point dominant, talent still matters.

Cousins isnt the inefficent scoring low impact guy he was earlier in his career. despite being a hot head he is a hard worker who has really expanded his game:

25 points per game
5.5 Assists per game
13 Rebounds per game
36% from three(on high volume too... 6 attempts. 34% for his career. 38% the year prior)

8 FTA per game, high FT rate.

23 PER
58 TS%

Defensively + 1.60 DRPM, +2.33 DRAPM. even better the 3 prior years

You are talking about a 27 year old just entering his prime who is locked up on a long term deal who gives you 25/13/5 while spacing the floor from 3 on high volume and playing somewhere between above average and really good defense.

you dont trade that for a 3 and D role player. they would be better off trying to steal joe harris

[King_Supreme]

I heard StephenA said that the Nets will throw the max at Capela, please tell me that’s not true?

[TheNetsFan]

I heard StephenA said that the Nets will throw the max at Capela, please tell me that’s not true?

The Nets don't have the cap space to throw the max at Capella. Screamin' A is misinformed. We'll only have about $5.4mil plus whatever Howard leaves on the table. If the Nets want Capella, it'll have to be via S&T.

[MrDollarBills]

Porter at SF in NO would be a pretty good addition. I don't think NO needs Cousins anyway, AD is so damn good and Holiday was a beast.

Yeah, plus Mirotic worked out well at PF and is a really good fit there. I think that trade would help both teams involved - Rondo/Holiday/Porter/Mirotic/Davis and Wall/Beal/Oubre/Morris/Cousins are both really stout starting lineups.


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You cant deal cousins for porter. Cousins is a stud. Porter is a role player. if porter was making 12 million a year and you shave cap off cousins sure, but porter makes like 27-28 million. its a bad deal. Porter isnt really all that good. people are just in love with his three point shooting. while the game has become very 3 point dominant, talent still matters.

Cousins isnt the inefficent scoring low impact guy he was earlier in his career. despite being a hot head he is a hard worker who has really expanded his game:

25 points per game
5.5 Assists per game
13 Rebounds per game
36% from three(on high volume too... 6 attempts. 34% for his career. 38% the year prior)

8 FTA per game, high FT rate.

23 PER
58 TS%

Defensively + 1.60 DRPM, +2.33 DRAPM. even better the 3 prior years

You are talking about a 27 year old just entering his prime who is locked up on a long term deal who gives you 25/13/5 while spacing the floor from 3 on high volume and playing somewhere between above average and really good defense.

you dont trade that for a 3 and D role player. they would be better off trying to steal joe harris

It's not an equal value trade but those line ups look really nice on paper. If Washington is going to be in cap hell you're better off with Cousins/Wall/Beal/Oubre as your core, that team would be a problem for anyone in the east.

For NO, it really balances out their line up nicely.

[shakendfries]

Paul George is going on a press run to win the public’s favor & espn has the Nets’ name in their mouth a whole lot as of late...it’s almost as if a deal is imminent




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[steady]

Lakers situation is so weird this off season. Either they will have LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard, which would be an unheard of windfall, or they will have nothing.

I think the latter is more likely because they cannot put together a trade package that comes close to what Celtics, Sixers etc can offer, and I think teams are probably a lot less worried Kawhi will be a one year rental than before

Kyrie and Paul George both look like they are staying put where they are after being traded to teams which (if I am remembering right) were not on their wish lists

[TheNetsFan]

Lakers situation is so weird this off season. Either they will have LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard, which would be an unheard of windfall, or they will have nothing.

I think the latter is more likely because they cannot put together a trade package that comes close to what Celtics, Sixers etc can offer, and I think teams are probably a lot less worried Kawhi will be a one year rental worries since Kyrie and Paul George both look like they are staying put where they are after being traded to teams which were not on their wish list

I think you're right about teams having a willingness to call player's bluffs like OKC did with George, but I think the reason is age related. George is 28. Kawhi will be 28 when he hits FA. Not everybody gambles on 1+1 deals the way Lebron does. I believe teams are banking on the extra year they can offer as enough incentive to get a player to stay. The $6mil differential between 5% & 8% raises in the first 4 years is inconsequential. The big decision is whether that $43mil salary when they're 32 years old is too much to give up.

[steady]

Lakers situation is so weird this off season. Either they will have LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard, which would be an unheard of windfall, or they will have nothing.

I think the latter is more likely because they cannot put together a trade package that comes close to what Celtics, Sixers etc can offer, and I think teams are probably a lot less worried Kawhi will be a one year rental worries since Kyrie and Paul George both look like they are staying put where they are after being traded to teams which were not on their wish list

I think you're right about teams having a willingness to call player's bluffs like OKC did with George, but I think the reason is age related. George is 28. Kawhi will be 28 when he hits FA. Not everybody gambles on 1+1 deals the way Lebron does. I believe teams are banking on the extra year they can offer as enough incentive to get a player to stay. The $6mil differential between 5% & 8% raises in the first 4 years is inconsequential. The big decision is whether that $43mil salary when they're 32 years old is too much to give up.

Yep

He d already Be giving up about $45 mill for sixth year by refusing Spurs offer of the supermax contract. From $216 m to $170 m. Can you imagine giving up $43 mil in guaranteed salary on top of that

[vincecarter4pres]

Paul George is going on a press run to win the public’s favor & espn has the Nets’ name in their mouth a whole lot as of late...it’s almost as if a deal is imminent




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Paul George this off-season, Kryie or Kawhi next?

[vincecarter4pres]

Lakers situation is so weird this off season. Either they will have LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard, which would be an unheard of windfall, or they will have nothing.

I think the latter is more likely because they cannot put together a trade package that comes close to what Celtics, Sixers etc can offer, and I think teams are probably a lot less worried Kawhi will be a one year rental than before

Idk about either of these tbh.

Ingram is a true blue chip prospect. Unless Boston would come up off Tatum or both the Memphis and Sacto picks with Brown, I like the Lakers package best if it's Ingram and picks, especially if Kuzma is also included.



And I do think teams are still nervous on Kawhi bouncing next summer and will be hesitant to give up that kind of value.

[vincecarter4pres]

I heard StephenA said that the Nets will throw the max at Capela, please tell me that’s not true?

The Nets don't have the cap space to throw the max at Capella. Screamin' A is misinformed. We'll only have about $5.4mil plus whatever Howard leaves on the table. If the Nets want Capella, it'll have to be via S&T.

The Nets can come up with max cap if they want.

Stretch Dwight's buyout amount. Trade one of Lin or Carroll for cap by attaching Dinwiddie, or a couple 2nds, maybe a protected 1st.

[steady]

Lakers situation is so weird this off season. Either they will have LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard, which would be an unheard of windfall, or they will have nothing.

I think the latter is more likely because they cannot put together a trade package that comes close to what Celtics, Sixers etc can offer, and I think teams are probably a lot less worried Kawhi will be a one year rental than before

Idk about either of these tbh.

Ingram is a true blue chip prospect. Unless Boston would come up off Tatum or both the Memphis and Sacto picks with Brown, I like the Lakers package best if it's Ingram and picks, especially if Kuzma is also included.



And I do think teams are still nervous on Kawhi bouncing next summer and will be hesitant to give up that kind of value.

You're right. Although BOS has the better assets, what they have, and what they are willing to put on the table are different things. LAL are more desperate. If they put down Ingram, Kuzma and a couple of future first round picks that were only lightly protected, for example, it could be enough.

But the whole situation for LAL seems sad to me because even if they got what they wanted, LeBron just does not have that many years left, the LAL supporting cast is very green, and whether LeBron - Kawhi will have chemistry also seems a big question mark to me .

I am not a fan of super teams in general, but this one in particular feels ill fated to me.

Edit - Kawhi to Celtics is trade that makes sense for both parties. But it sounds like Ainge is negotiating hard. "The Celtics, however, are operating with extreme caution due to Leonard's health issues and apparent free agent desires. The Celtics are not interested in making a risky trade for Leonard." ....

I don't buy this. Kyrie had health issues and expressed FA desires to play elsewhere too. Kawhi when healthy is clearly better than Kyrie.

this sounds like the opening gambit in the Celtics negotiating dance with Spurs, ... this could take weeks.

[vincecarter4pres]

Lakers situation is so weird this off season. Either they will have LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard, which would be an unheard of windfall, or they will have nothing.

I think the latter is more likely because they cannot put together a trade package that comes close to what Celtics, Sixers etc can offer, and I think teams are probably a lot less worried Kawhi will be a one year rental than before

Idk about either of these tbh.

Ingram is a true blue chip prospect. Unless Boston would come up off Tatum or both the Memphis and Sacto picks with Brown, I like the Lakers package best if it's Ingram and picks, especially if Kuzma is also included.



And I do think teams are still nervous on Kawhi bouncing next summer and will be hesitant to give up that kind of value.

You're right. Although BOS has the better assets, what they have, and what they are willing to put on the table are different things. LAL are more desperate. If they put down Ingram, Kuzma and a couple of future first round picks that were only lightly protected, for example, it could be enough.

But the whole situation for LAL seems sad to me because even if they got what they wanted, LeBron just does not have that many years left, the LAL supporting cast is very green, and whether LeBron - Kawhi will have chemistry also seems a big question mark to me .

I am not a fan of super teams in general, but this one in particular feels ill fated to me.

Edit - Kawhi to Celtics is trade that makes sense for both parties. But it sounds like Ainge is negotiating hard. "The Celtics, however, are operating with extreme caution due to Leonard's health issues and apparent free agent desires. The Celtics are not interested in making a risky trade for Leonard." .... haha. Kyrie had health issues and expressed FA desires to play elsewhere too.

this sounds like the opening gambit in the Celtics negotiating dance with Spurs, ... this could take weeks.

Well not for nothing but I always felt like Ainge stole Kyri too. I would have wanted either Brown or 1 of the Memphis or Sacto picks in addition to the Brooklyn pick. Everyone knew IT was toast and a questionable fit.

[steady]

Idk about either of these tbh.

Ingram is a true blue chip prospect. Unless Boston would come up off Tatum or both the Memphis and Sacto picks with Brown, I like the Lakers package best if it's Ingram and picks, especially if Kuzma is also included.



And I do think teams are still nervous on Kawhi bouncing next summer and will be hesitant to give up that kind of value.

You're right. Although BOS has the better assets, what they have, and what they are willing to put on the table are different things. LAL are more desperate. If they put down Ingram, Kuzma and a couple of future first round picks that were only lightly protected, for example, it could be enough.

But the whole situation for LAL seems sad to me because even if they got what they wanted, LeBron just does not have that many years left, the LAL supporting cast is very green, and whether LeBron - Kawhi will have chemistry also seems a big question mark to me .

I am not a fan of super teams in general, but this one in particular feels ill fated to me.

Edit - Kawhi to Celtics is trade that makes sense for both parties. But it sounds like Ainge is negotiating hard. "The Celtics, however, are operating with extreme caution due to Leonard's health issues and apparent free agent desires. The Celtics are not interested in making a risky trade for Leonard." .... haha. Kyrie had health issues and expressed FA desires to play elsewhere too.

this sounds like the opening gambit in the Celtics negotiating dance with Spurs, ... this could take weeks.

Well not for nothing but I always felt like Ainge stole Kyri too. I would have wanted either Brown or 1 of the Memphis or Sacto picks in addition to the Brooklyn pick. Everyone knew IT was toast and a questionable fit.

ITA about Ainge's deal for Kyrie. They robbed Cavs.

That's why for me this negotiation will be so fascinating. Because Kawhi is a top top tier talent that Ainge has got to want badly. But this time Ainge will be negotiating against an incredibly talented and experienced GM in Buford, and a top class franchise in the Spurs. Versus 35 yo Koby Altman who just took over as GM a second before the trade, and the dysfunctionality of Cavs franchise. Spurs already are sending out signals they are not scared and they will be taking this slowly.

[Prokorov]

It's not an equal value trade but those line ups look really nice on paper. If Washington is going to be in cap hell you're better off with Cousins/Wall/Beal/Oubre as your core, that team would be a problem for anyone in the east.

For NO, it really balances out their line up nicely.

Well yeah obviously the Wiz love it. they get the much much better player and get rid of the awful contract.

NO gives up a top 12 player for a role guy on one of the leagues worst contracts. its cool he fits them. so would crabbe, harris... they arent trading cousins for those guys either.

[Prokorov]

Lakers situation is so weird this off season. Either they will have LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard, which would be an unheard of windfall, or they will have nothing.

I think the latter is more likely because they cannot put together a trade package that comes close to what Celtics, Sixers etc can offer, and I think teams are probably a lot less worried Kawhi will be a one year rental worries since Kyrie and Paul George both look like they are staying put where they are after being traded to teams which were not on their wish list

I think you're right about teams having a willingness to call player's bluffs like OKC did with George, but I think the reason is age related. George is 28. Kawhi will be 28 when he hits FA. Not everybody gambles on 1+1 deals the way Lebron does. I believe teams are banking on the extra year they can offer as enough incentive to get a player to stay. The $6mil differential between 5% & 8% raises in the first 4 years is inconsequential. The big decision is whether that $43mil salary when they're 32 years old is too much to give up.

Yep

He d already Be giving up about $45 mill for sixth year by refusing Spurs offer of the supermax contract. From $216 m to $170 m. Can you imagine giving up $43 mil in guaranteed salary on top of that

He'd triple that in endorsements in LA though

[steady]

I like idea of Kawhi to 76ers. Challenging Celtics future dominance of East. Then I want Kyrie to leave Boston next summer.

[Prokorov]

Looks more and more like Kawhi + Lebron to the lakers. that would be the best DUO the NBA has seen since Kobe/Shaq or Magic/Kareem.

2 elite 2 way players, and maybe the top 2 guys for impact on winning. surround them with a pair of 3 & D gaurds and a lob/blocks center and thats got ring written all over it.

[Prokorov]

I like idea of Kawhi to 76ers. Challenging Celtics future dominance of East. Then I want Kyrie to leave Boston next summer.

I dont see the Sixers as some future dynasty. i think it would hinge on landing lebron or kawhi to compete. they got stomped by bostons B squad.