Trade and free agency speculation

[Sunsdeuce]

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Who is tweeted that? Never heard of him

[BobbieL]

The Cavs went after him whenever he was on the floor in the playoffs. It's the problem you face with even great defensive small guards - can't recover to shooters, can't handle big wings on a switch. But then again, there aren't a ton of PGs out there that don't have this problem (but see Holliday, Smart), and for the most part, they try to compensate with great outside shooting (see Curry, Collinson, VanVleet).

For the reasons you list about Van Fleet, Collison, smaller PGs - Suns have to at least make a call to Smart. I get the shot - what 30% ---its pretty bad. But the defense is there, floor general stuff or was that Stevens. Still , worth a call

Beverly - truly the best target next to Booker. Wonder what the Clippers would take. One year deal - but he would be ideal.

It's not just pretty bad. It is the worst shot for a PG in 30 years. Modern basketball has not seen a worse shooting PG. Not just that but his passing is not great and neither are his turnovers, so yeah, he's a disaster on offense.

VanVleet is a really good defender. The gap between his defense and Smart's is not what you would think, although Smart is obviously fantastic on that end. Meanwhile, the gap between the 2 offensively is enormous.

I knew Smarts FG percentage was bad - just didn't know worst over that period. So based on your FVF write up - he is back in the mix with Beverly . Thanks for the information

[bwoolf2]

I don't understand the VanVleet love.I was listening to 98.7 yesterday, and one of the host was gushing about this guy.Went and looked up his stats.....8 pts 3 assist and 42% FG

That's not all that impressive.His 3pt numbers look good, but still.What am I missing here?

The advanced stats. So while he isn't a physical specimen by any means he is a great positional defender and thus rates really well on that end, combined with the 41% 3 point shooting. He is also super heady, so he doesn't turn the ball over. So basically, you have an elite 3 point shooter with good to great defense and low turnovers. He nearly won 6th man of the year last year.

I don't know if he can be the starter. I think if we got him he would start because he is clearly better than our other options, but he probably is best positioned to be an elite 6th man or 5th wheel starter. He works for our purposes though. Whether it is a good signing or not would depend on the price. We'd still have to hope Okobo turns into the starter long-term imo.

To me Van Fleet is Jameer Nelson, reminds me of him a lot, and im just not willing to pay big money for that. While solid doesnt move the needle far enough for my taste.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Who is tweeted that? Never heard of him

All I know is he played ping pong with Devin Booker, thinks it would be a good idea to pay Smart big $$$ and would prefer Dragan and Quese at their $$$ to Jabari and Gordon.

So maybe he's a liar, but he's not an idiot!

[BobbieL]

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Who is tweeted that? Never heard of him

Is this the guy that tweeted last year a photo of Irving and Booker with Kyrie in the Suns 2 jersey

is he the guy that said WArren and 31 for Beverly

As for the player - the Suns do need a stretch 4 and this guy has proven he can play that and PG - why not, give him a call

get the eff out of dodge Awadis

[Revived]

This probably is more about what-ifs. I don't think he's a real option for us. Especially with Warren on the roster. I hope he goes to the Kings are rumored. They could use a scorer like him.

The kings are weird so who knows but he seems like a horrid horrid fit with Bagley. Not sure how those two could be on the court at the same time. Might be the worst defensive front court ever assembled.

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If the Kings start a frontcourt of Bagley and Parker I will make them mandatory viewing on league pass just to laugh at the defense played by those 2.

Kings plan to start Giles who projects to be a defensive menace.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't understand the VanVleet love.I was listening to 98.7 yesterday, and one of the host was gushing about this guy.Went and looked up his stats.....8 pts 3 assist and 42% FG

That's not all that impressive.His 3pt numbers look good, but still.What am I missing here?

The advanced stats. So while he isn't a physical specimen by any means he is a great positional defender and thus rates really well on that end, combined with the 41% 3 point shooting. He is also super heady, so he doesn't turn the ball over. So basically, you have an elite 3 point shooter with good to great defense and low turnovers. He nearly won 6th man of the year last year.

I don't know if he can be the starter. I think if we got him he would start because he is clearly better than our other options, but he probably is best positioned to be an elite 6th man or 5th wheel starter. He works for our purposes though. Whether it is a good signing or not would depend on the price. We'd still have to hope Okobo turns into the starter long-term imo.

VanVleet had the benefit of playing with a lot of solid defenders (i.e., not a lot of time on the court with Val), most teams don't tailor their game plans to each matchup, and most teams don't have enough talent to really exploit the occasional shorty on any given night.

Things change in the playoffs, though. At even money, Smart >>> VanVleet, easy call. But the money won't be even, because NBA GM's aren't fools.

[AtheJ415]

The kings are weird so who knows but he seems like a horrid horrid fit with Bagley. Not sure how those two could be on the court at the same time. Might be the worst defensive front court ever assembled.

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If the Kings start a frontcourt of Bagley and Parker I will make them mandatory viewing on league pass just to laugh at the defense played by those 2.

Kings plan to start Giles who projects to be a defensive menace.

Then why even sign Parker? Are they going to play him or Bagley at the 3? Because that would also be a disaster.

[BobbieL]

I don't understand the VanVleet love.I was listening to 98.7 yesterday, and one of the host was gushing about this guy.Went and looked up his stats.....8 pts 3 assist and 42% FG

That's not all that impressive.His 3pt numbers look good, but still.What am I missing here?

The advanced stats. So while he isn't a physical specimen by any means he is a great positional defender and thus rates really well on that end, combined with the 41% 3 point shooting. He is also super heady, so he doesn't turn the ball over. So basically, you have an elite 3 point shooter with good to great defense and low turnovers. He nearly won 6th man of the year last year.

I don't know if he can be the starter. I think if we got him he would start because he is clearly better than our other options, but he probably is best positioned to be an elite 6th man or 5th wheel starter. He works for our purposes though. Whether it is a good signing or not would depend on the price. We'd still have to hope Okobo turns into the starter long-term imo.

VanVleet had the benefit of playing with a lot of solid defenders (i.e., not a lot of time on the court with Val), most teams don't tailor their game plans to each matchup, and most teams don't have enough talent to really exploit the occasional shorty on any given night.

Things change in the playoffs, though. At even money, Smart >>> VanVleet, easy call. But the money won't be even, because NBA GM's aren't fools.

So, based on your assessment of Smart - what Stretch 4 makes sense - a more offense oriented or would Mbah Moute still work. Suns aren't getting say Ariza and Smart unless deals are TRULY a lot less or the Suns make a trade moving say Daniels and Chriss for instance to get 6m more cap space.

[DirtyDez]

I’m not as much of a believer in the 76ers future as everyone else. They should go in for 1 year of Kawhi and trade the MIA pick plus. Otherwise I don’t see them getting past a healthy Boston team.

[Blonde]

I’d be interested in signing Noel and having him back up Ayton. He can be a huge defensive presence. Let Chandler ride the pine for his final year. The Rich Paul factor probably forecloses this option but it seems low risk high reward.

[bwoolf2]

Doubt he would come here but I would over pay on a one year deal to have Jamal Crawford, that guys is a pro, comes off the bench and lights it up no matter where he plays. not only that but he has trade value at the deadline if you arent competing for the playoffs.

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[Waylay13]

I’d be interested in signing Noel and having him back up Ayton. He can be a huge defensive presence. Let Chandler ride the pine for his final year. The Rich Paul factor probably forecloses this option but it seems low risk high reward.

I would rather bring Len back then have any Noel and his agent Rich Paul having anything to do with the Suns. I dont believe that Noel is even worth Len.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The advanced stats. So while he isn't a physical specimen by any means he is a great positional defender and thus rates really well on that end, combined with the 41% 3 point shooting. He is also super heady, so he doesn't turn the ball over. So basically, you have an elite 3 point shooter with good to great defense and low turnovers. He nearly won 6th man of the year last year.

I don't know if he can be the starter. I think if we got him he would start because he is clearly better than our other options, but he probably is best positioned to be an elite 6th man or 5th wheel starter. He works for our purposes though. Whether it is a good signing or not would depend on the price. We'd still have to hope Okobo turns into the starter long-term imo.

VanVleet had the benefit of playing with a lot of solid defenders (i.e., not a lot of time on the court with Val), most teams don't tailor their game plans to each matchup, and most teams don't have enough talent to really exploit the occasional shorty on any given night.

Things change in the playoffs, though. At even money, Smart >>> VanVleet, easy call. But the money won't be even, because NBA GM's aren't fools.

So, based on your assessment of Smart - what Stretch 4 makes sense - a more offense oriented or would Mbah Moute still work. Suns aren't getting say Ariza and Smart unless deals are TRULY a lot less or the Suns make a trade moving say Daniels and Chriss for instance to get 6m more cap space.

Bertans, Bjelica, Jeff Green, Ilyasova, in that order. I think we already have two stretch 4s on the roster in Bender and Bridges (if Ariza and Mbah a Moute are 4s, then so is Bridges). But neither of those guys is a "true" stretch 4, by which I mean a guy who takes quick shots whenever offered and whose range extends a couple feet beyond the 3 point line.

If they'd be willing to compensate us for taking on a bad contract, you could include Marvin Williams and Kelly Olynyk. Perhaps the Jazz would be willing to part with Jerebko on the cheap.

[BobbieL]

David Aldridge with similar tweet (below) as Pelton about the market being tight after LBJ and PG13. If the Suns could get to 23 to 25m of space - could get two pretty solid players. Daniels, Dudley - need a trading parter please

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[darealjuice]

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2018/06/there-isnt-a-shortage-of-interest-in-parker/

Besides Sacrament and Philadelphia, some other teams that have surfaced as potential landing spots for Parker Chicago, Utah, Indiana, Atlanta, Phoenix and Brooklyn. The latter team has been quite active in free agency in recent years, including having extended a max offer to small forward Otto Porter, which Washington matched. The Nets also made a huge offer to guard Tyler Johnson, which Miami matched.

Apparently we're among the teams with interest in Jabari according to this Bucks guy

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Joe Young is a solid young prospect, but I don't think he's a good fit for what this team needs. We need steady veteran leadership at the PG position, proven contributors who will play and who could either cede time to or share the court with Okobo if he comes in hot.

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