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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#761 » by rpa » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:04 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Honestly I think he can guard most small forwards in the league. And his shot isn't great but he is a threat to make a wide open corner 3. At this point I wouldn't mind giving him a decent 1 or 2 year deal. More so than Lavine thats forsure.


Don't quote me on this because I read it on another forum (from a Mod I believe), but since he's an RFA I think the deal would need to be for 3 years at least.

That said, I'd probably offer 3/45 or so for Smart.
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Post#762 » by blind prophet » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:22 pm

Crimson King wrote:Wilsond Chandler and a 2nd to the Sixers. Would've been a decent solution for next year, let's see how the cap is finally used.


Hmm, band aid strategy gone.

Could of used our cap space worse if you asked me.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#763 » by LightTheBeam » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:22 pm

rpa wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Honestly I think he can guard most small forwards in the league. And his shot isn't great but he is a threat to make a wide open corner 3. At this point I wouldn't mind giving him a decent 1 or 2 year deal. More so than Lavine thats forsure.


Don't quote me on this because I read it on another forum (from a Mod I believe), but since he's an RFA I think the deal would need to be for 3 years at least.

That said, I'd probably offer 3/45 or so for Smart.


I think thats correct unless he gets renounced from Boston. After looking at the current market, I think a guy with his skill set is worth 3/30. Is he that much better than Andre Roberson?

Smart - Better ball handler, slightly better shooter.
Roberson - Longer, able to better play small forward.

Both are non shooting defensive first shooting guards.
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Post#764 » by rpa » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:39 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I think thats correct unless he gets renounced from Boston. After looking at the current market, I think a guy with his skill set is worth 3/30. Is he that much better than Andre Roberson?

Smart - Better ball handler, slightly better shooter.
Roberson - Longer, able to better play small forward.

Both are non shooting defensive first shooting guards.


I'd give a slight edge to Smart for 2 reasons:
1) Playmaking is a premium trait and Smart has that. He's nowhere near as useless on offense as Roberson is.
2) I think Smart's motor/tenacity/edge (whatever you want to call it) has value. It's what makes him a good defender, but doesn't stop at defense. The guy makes winning plays

I think 3/30 gets matched by Boston pretty quickly, though. If I'm the Kings I front load the contract to force Boston into the tax this year and next year (Kyrie and Horford both have POs next summer).
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#765 » by becorz » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:43 pm

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RipPizzaGuy wrote:Honestly I think he can guard most small forwards in the league. And his shot isn't great but he is a threat to make a wide open corner 3. At this point I wouldn't mind giving him a decent 1 or 2 year deal. More so than Lavine thats forsure.


Don't quote me on this because I read it on another forum (from a Mod I believe), but since he's an RFA I think the deal would need to be for 3 years at least.

That said, I'd probably offer 3/45 or so for Smart.


I think thats correct unless he gets renounced from Boston. After looking at the current market, I think a guy with his skill set is worth 3/30. Is he that much better than Andre Roberson?

Smart - Better ball handler, slightly better shooter.
Roberson - Longer, able to better play small forward.

Both are non shooting defensive first shooting guards.

You are correct on the three years part. You have to offer three years in any sign and trade or offer sheet.

Technically, I suppose, the Celtics could rescind Smart's qualifying offer of $6 million but keep his cap hold. Then the Kings could offer less than three years. But there is no functional reason for the Celtics to do this.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#766 » by becorz » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:44 pm

For me, if the Kings are going to take a swing in restricted FA, I would rather take a swing at a star potential player (LaVine) then a good player that I don't see ever becoming a star (Smart). This is your last real chance to get a star, assuming the potential rebuild goes as planned and we aren't in the lottery in two years.
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Post#767 » by LightTheBeam » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:46 pm

rpa wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I think thats correct unless he gets renounced from Boston. After looking at the current market, I think a guy with his skill set is worth 3/30. Is he that much better than Andre Roberson?

Smart - Better ball handler, slightly better shooter.
Roberson - Longer, able to better play small forward.

Both are non shooting defensive first shooting guards.


I'd give a slight edge to Smart for 2 reasons:
1) Playmaking is a premium trait and Smart has that. He's nowhere near as useless on offense as Roberson is.
2) I think Smart's motor/tenacity/edge (whatever you want to call it) has value. It's what makes him a good defender, but doesn't stop at defense. The guy makes winning plays

I think 3/30 gets matched by Boston pretty quickly, though. If I'm the Kings I front load the contract to force Boston into the tax this year and next year (Kyrie and Horford both have POs next summer).


Ya I think his worth is 3/30, that would be where Boston probably matches. So if we want him I'm assuming we need to overpay. 3/40 should get it done, question is do we want to put that money into him. I think he would really help the winning mentality and culture and hes young enough that I'm okay with a 3 year deal.

Fox/Smart/Buddy/Bogdan getting the majority of the minutes 1-3 with Temple, Mason sprinkled in when needed.

The way I see it Fox/Buddy/Bogdan should be getting 32 minutes a piece or 96 total. Theres 144 to go around. If smart gets 28 that leaves 20 minutes for Temple/Mason based on what we need that specific game. Justin Jackson looks like he needs to be in the G-League all year.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#768 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:50 pm

After sitting mid-court at last nights game, I solidified what I already thought that Justin Jackson is complete garbage. He is the worst player on the team and we should move on already. Temple, Sampson, and Shumpert are all better options at small forward. I'm disappointed with the lack of activity in free agency and trades for the Kings. The coaching staff and front office can't be so stupid to see the gaping hole at small forward. I like Bagley and that dunk electrified the G1C but he isn't a small forward.

Wilson Chandler could have been a stop gap while picking up a pick. I am being optimistic in thinking that a big offer is coming Friday morning and I believe it is to Zach LaVine for upwards of 4 years $80 million hoping the Bulls don't match. Hood and Parker are better options than what is currently on the roster but I believe LaVine has the most upside as a potential star. He would start a shooting guard and move Bogi to the 3. We would be set at guard with Fox, LaVine, Bogi, Buddy, and Mason. I'd also consider Smart but I believe the Kings are most interested in LaVine and also the Celtics would likely match an offer to Smart. In addition to cutting Justin Jackson, I'd also cut Nigel Hayes. If we were able to sign LaVine we'd be at the cap and then be able to offer the MLE. I'm not sure if it would get it done because the Spurs would likely match but we could offer MLE to Kyle Anderson. Sidenote that LaVine and Anderson were teammates at UCLA. I think most of us would walk away happy with the below roster.

De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#769 » by rpa » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:53 pm

becorz wrote:For me, if the Kings are going to take a swing in restricted FA, I would rather take a swing at a star potential player (LaVine) then a good player that I don't see ever becoming a star (Smart). This is your last real chance to get a star, assuming the potential rebuild goes as planned and we aren't in the lottery in two years.


Well, first off Lavine is probably going to cost you a good chunk more than Smart will--in no small part because the Bulls are WAY under the cap too.

Second off, the big difference I see in Lavine vs. Smart is that if you sign Lavine either he or Buddy/Bogdan would have to play out of position and guard bigger, stronger players. Smart, while shorter than all 3 aforementioned players, is built like a tank and CAN guard most 3s.

Third, I think if you look at Smart and Lavine you see 2 guys who can play make at maybe a near equal level so it comes down to whether you want a defensive guy with a motor or a (probable) shooter/scorer. I'm more inclined to go with the latter because guys like Smart tend to be on winning teams whereas guys like Lavine don't (but have much better stats).
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#770 » by blind prophet » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:57 pm

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:After sitting mid-court at last nights game, I solidified what I already thought that Justin Jackson is complete garbage. He is the worst player on the team and we should move on already. Temple, Sampson, and Shumpert are all better options at small forward. I'm disappointed with the lack of activity in free agency and trades for the Kings. The coaching staff and front office can't be so stupid to see the gaping hole at small forward. I like Bagley and that dunk electrified the G1C but he isn't a small forward.

Wilson Chandler could have been a stop gap while picking up a pick. I am being optimistic in thinking that a big offer is coming Friday morning and I believe it is to Zach LaVine for upwards of 4 years $80 million hoping the Bulls don't match. Hood and Parker are better options than what is currently on the roster but I believe LaVine has the most upside as a potential star. He would start a shooting guard and move Bogi to the 3. We would be set at guard with Fox, LaVine, Bogi, Buddy, and Mason. I'd also consider Smart but I believe the Kings are most interested in LaVine and also the Celtics would likely match an offer to Smart. In addition to cutting Justin Jackson, I'd also cut Nigel Hayes. If we were able to sign LaVine we'd be at the cap and then be able to offer the MLE. I'm not sure if it would get it done because the Spurs would likely match but we could offer MLE to Kyle Anderson. Sidenote that LaVine and Anderson were teammates at UCLA. I think most of us would walk away happy with the below roster.

De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


I don't think we have the cap for Lavine & Anderson. Would have to stretch some people.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#771 » by rpa » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:57 pm

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


That team would get TORCHED defensively. Fox, Lavine, and Bogdan were 3 of the worst defenders at their positions last year. Fox/BB will likely improve, but after 4 years Lavine is what he is defensively: AWFUL.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#772 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 3, 2018 10:18 pm

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Marcus Smart makes too much sense for this team.

#1: Elite wing defender ... which we don't have
#2: Always-on motor ... which it appears we're going after these days
#3: Secondary ball handler/play maker ... we only have 2 of those guys right now (BB, Fox)

His only downside is that his shot is awful, but given the above I can live with that.


I'd give Smart $12-15m/year to be our Tony Allen type guy and start him alongside Fox and Bogdan. Have him take whoever the best wing player on the other team is (1-3) and keep him on the floor when you sub out Fox/Bogdan so he can play the primary ballhandler with Hield.

It took me a while to warm up to this idea, but now I think it’s vital. I didn’t want to sign another guard because I felt like we didn’t have size. Now I think it’s fine because Smart can guard guys who are bigger than him. His shooting is iffy, but it looks like everyone is improving their shooting around the team. If everyone else can shoot, then I don’t think Smart’s ineffective shot will hurt us.


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If Mason plays like last night, may be no need


Check that. If Mason plays like he did when he wasn't trying to be stubby volume guy there may be no need. If he tries be this teams 6th man and create offense he just won't work. There isn't room for that and anyone that hands him the keys over some of the other players on the roster doesn't know what they're doing.

Smart's a tough call. I was obviously very high on him that year in the draft but this is an entirely different team now. I don't see the full value of it.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#773 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 3, 2018 10:24 pm

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:After sitting mid-court at last nights game, I solidified what I already thought that Justin Jackson is complete garbage. He is the worst player on the team and we should move on already. Temple, Sampson, and Shumpert are all better options at small forward. I'm disappointed with the lack of activity in free agency and trades for the Kings. The coaching staff and front office can't be so stupid to see the gaping hole at small forward. I like Bagley and that dunk electrified the G1C but he isn't a small forward.

Wilson Chandler could have been a stop gap while picking up a pick. I am being optimistic in thinking that a big offer is coming Friday morning and I believe it is to Zach LaVine for upwards of 4 years $80 million hoping the Bulls don't match. Hood and Parker are better options than what is currently on the roster but I believe LaVine has the most upside as a potential star. He would start a shooting guard and move Bogi to the 3. We would be set at guard with Fox, LaVine, Bogi, Buddy, and Mason. I'd also consider Smart but I believe the Kings are most interested in LaVine and also the Celtics would likely match an offer to Smart. In addition to cutting Justin Jackson, I'd also cut Nigel Hayes. If we were able to sign LaVine we'd be at the cap and then be able to offer the MLE. I'm not sure if it would get it done because the Spurs would likely match but we could offer MLE to Kyle Anderson. Sidenote that LaVine and Anderson were teammates at UCLA. I think most of us would walk away happy with the below roster.

De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


It's hard to judge JJ now because he's in that infamous Kings "scraps" role. He gets almost nothing and if he doesn't hit every shot he takes he'll look like crap. It's also hard to judge his defense in a SL situation where the team has no identity as a whole and since he's not a true stopper if he's going to be anything defensively it's as a system guy which I thought he did OK with last year. I will say this, he's come into SL pumped. Both he and Fox are putting in the work and I would imagine it will take time for JJ to adjust to his new body. I almost want to say both Fox and Jackson looked a little too beefy for their body types. We'll see how that shapes up.

In the end it changes nothing about the fact that Buddy and Bogdan need all the minutes at SG and SF. Regardless of how anyone else plays.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#774 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 3, 2018 10:27 pm

rpa wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


That team would get TORCHED defensively. Fox, Lavine, and Bogdan were 3 of the worst defenders at their positions last year. Fox/BB will likely improve, but after 4 years Lavine is what he is defensively: AWFUL.


If the Kings keep playing with this defensive strategy of not switching and continuously guarding middle they'll get torched regardless of who they put out there. :lol: It's almost comical. Joerger is on his own planet or something. The Kings want to own the middle offensively, and lock down the middle defensively when in todays NBA that's a veritable ghost town.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#775 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:02 pm

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PetrieUnderstudy wrote:After sitting mid-court at last nights game, I solidified what I already thought that Justin Jackson is complete garbage. He is the worst player on the team and we should move on already. Temple, Sampson, and Shumpert are all better options at small forward. I'm disappointed with the lack of activity in free agency and trades for the Kings. The coaching staff and front office can't be so stupid to see the gaping hole at small forward. I like Bagley and that dunk electrified the G1C but he isn't a small forward.

Wilson Chandler could have been a stop gap while picking up a pick. I am being optimistic in thinking that a big offer is coming Friday morning and I believe it is to Zach LaVine for upwards of 4 years $80 million hoping the Bulls don't match. Hood and Parker are better options than what is currently on the roster but I believe LaVine has the most upside as a potential star. He would start a shooting guard and move Bogi to the 3. We would be set at guard with Fox, LaVine, Bogi, Buddy, and Mason. I'd also consider Smart but I believe the Kings are most interested in LaVine and also the Celtics would likely match an offer to Smart. In addition to cutting Justin Jackson, I'd also cut Nigel Hayes. If we were able to sign LaVine we'd be at the cap and then be able to offer the MLE. I'm not sure if it would get it done because the Spurs would likely match but we could offer MLE to Kyle Anderson. Sidenote that LaVine and Anderson were teammates at UCLA. I think most of us would walk away happy with the below roster.

De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


I don't think we have the cap for Lavine & Anderson. Would have to stretch some people.


Cutting Jackson and Hayes the Kings would be able to offer LaVine $20 million per. They'd also then be at the cap which would open the MLE (I believe $8 million'ish per) to offer to Anderson.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#776 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:14 pm

rpa wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


That team would get TORCHED defensively. Fox, Lavine, and Bogdan were 3 of the worst defenders at their positions last year. Fox/BB will likely improve, but after 4 years Lavine is what he is defensively: AWFUL.


I agree that the team is poor defensively but as currently constructed they're also poor offensively. Be a run and gun team and outscore teams to try to get some victories. The team is really young and can become a better defensive team. Last year we were ranked one of the worst teams offensively and middle of the pack defensively. Defensively is misleading and likely due to the sloth pace the team played at. I'd like the team move from one of the worst offenses to the 10 to 15 range by playing faster, shooting more 3's, and picking up LaVine. Defensively we may not have great defenders but if we could play decent team defense and be in the 15 to 20 range by athleticism, youth, and energy. Playing together they'll get better as a team defense.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#777 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:18 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:After sitting mid-court at last nights game, I solidified what I already thought that Justin Jackson is complete garbage. He is the worst player on the team and we should move on already. Temple, Sampson, and Shumpert are all better options at small forward. I'm disappointed with the lack of activity in free agency and trades for the Kings. The coaching staff and front office can't be so stupid to see the gaping hole at small forward. I like Bagley and that dunk electrified the G1C but he isn't a small forward.

Wilson Chandler could have been a stop gap while picking up a pick. I am being optimistic in thinking that a big offer is coming Friday morning and I believe it is to Zach LaVine for upwards of 4 years $80 million hoping the Bulls don't match. Hood and Parker are better options than what is currently on the roster but I believe LaVine has the most upside as a potential star. He would start a shooting guard and move Bogi to the 3. We would be set at guard with Fox, LaVine, Bogi, Buddy, and Mason. I'd also consider Smart but I believe the Kings are most interested in LaVine and also the Celtics would likely match an offer to Smart. In addition to cutting Justin Jackson, I'd also cut Nigel Hayes. If we were able to sign LaVine we'd be at the cap and then be able to offer the MLE. I'm not sure if it would get it done because the Spurs would likely match but we could offer MLE to Kyle Anderson. Sidenote that LaVine and Anderson were teammates at UCLA. I think most of us would walk away happy with the below roster.

De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


It's hard to judge JJ now because he's in that infamous Kings "scraps" role. He gets almost nothing and if he doesn't hit every shot he takes he'll look like crap. It's also hard to judge his defense in a SL situation where the team has no identity as a whole and since he's not a true stopper if he's going to be anything defensively it's as a system guy which I thought he did OK with last year. I will say this, he's come into SL pumped. Both he and Fox are putting in the work and I would imagine it will take time for JJ to adjust to his new body. I almost want to say both Fox and Jackson looked a little too beefy for their body types. We'll see how that shapes up.

In the end it changes nothing about the fact that Buddy and Bogdan need all the minutes at SG and SF. Regardless of how anyone else plays.


We disagree then. I think Jackson is bad and I don't need more time to judge. He lacks athleticism, toughness, fire, and a 3 point shot. When Bagley threw down his dunk and the G1C erupted, Giles, Fox and Mason were screaming and as excited as Bagley. Jackson on the other hand looks like he's moping around like someone died. Get rid of the guy!
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#778 » by Castor_Troy » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:22 pm

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:After sitting mid-court at last nights game, I solidified what I already thought that Justin Jackson is complete garbage. He is the worst player on the team and we should move on already. Temple, Sampson, and Shumpert are all better options at small forward. I'm disappointed with the lack of activity in free agency and trades for the Kings. The coaching staff and front office can't be so stupid to see the gaping hole at small forward. I like Bagley and that dunk electrified the G1C but he isn't a small forward.

Wilson Chandler could have been a stop gap while picking up a pick. I am being optimistic in thinking that a big offer is coming Friday morning and I believe it is to Zach LaVine for upwards of 4 years $80 million hoping the Bulls don't match. Hood and Parker are better options than what is currently on the roster but I believe LaVine has the most upside as a potential star. He would start a shooting guard and move Bogi to the 3. We would be set at guard with Fox, LaVine, Bogi, Buddy, and Mason. I'd also consider Smart but I believe the Kings are most interested in LaVine and also the Celtics would likely match an offer to Smart. In addition to cutting Justin Jackson, I'd also cut Nigel Hayes. If we were able to sign LaVine we'd be at the cap and then be able to offer the MLE. I'm not sure if it would get it done because the Spurs would likely match but we could offer MLE to Kyle Anderson. Sidenote that LaVine and Anderson were teammates at UCLA. I think most of us would walk away happy with the below roster.



De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


It's hard to judge JJ now because he's in that infamous Kings "scraps" role. He gets almost nothing and if he doesn't hit every shot he takes he'll look like crap. It's also hard to judge his defense in a SL situation where the team has no identity as a whole and since he's not a true stopper if he's going to be anything defensively it's as a system guy which I thought he did OK with last year. I will say this, he's come into SL pumped. Both he and Fox are putting in the work and I would imagine it will take time for JJ to adjust to his new body. I almost want to say both Fox and Jackson looked a little too beefy for their body types. We'll see how that shapes up.

In the end it changes nothing about the fact that Buddy and Bogdan need all the minutes at SG and SF. Regardless of how anyone else plays.


We disagree then. I think Jackson is bad and I don't need more time to judge. He lacks athleticism, toughness, fire, and a 3 point shot. When Bagley threw down his dunk and the G1C erupted, Giles, Fox and Mason were screaming and as excited as Bagley. Jackson on the other hand looks like he's moping around like someone died. Get rid of the guy!


At this point if we don't find another 3, I'd rather roll with a combination of Temple & Shump than JJ
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#779 » by kalenclayton » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:26 pm

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blind prophet wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:After sitting mid-court at last nights game, I solidified what I already thought that Justin Jackson is complete garbage. He is the worst player on the team and we should move on already. Temple, Sampson, and Shumpert are all better options at small forward. I'm disappointed with the lack of activity in free agency and trades for the Kings. The coaching staff and front office can't be so stupid to see the gaping hole at small forward. I like Bagley and that dunk electrified the G1C but he isn't a small forward.

Wilson Chandler could have been a stop gap while picking up a pick. I am being optimistic in thinking that a big offer is coming Friday morning and I believe it is to Zach LaVine for upwards of 4 years $80 million hoping the Bulls don't match. Hood and Parker are better options than what is currently on the roster but I believe LaVine has the most upside as a potential star. He would start a shooting guard and move Bogi to the 3. We would be set at guard with Fox, LaVine, Bogi, Buddy, and Mason. I'd also consider Smart but I believe the Kings are most interested in LaVine and also the Celtics would likely match an offer to Smart. In addition to cutting Justin Jackson, I'd also cut Nigel Hayes. If we were able to sign LaVine we'd be at the cap and then be able to offer the MLE. I'm not sure if it would get it done because the Spurs would likely match but we could offer MLE to Kyle Anderson. Sidenote that LaVine and Anderson were teammates at UCLA. I think most of us would walk away happy with the below roster.

De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason/Garrett Temple
Zach LaVine/Buddy Hield/Iman Shumpert
Bogdan Bogdanovic/Kyle Anderson/JaKarr Sampson
Marvin Bagley/Harry Giles/Zach Randolph
Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere


I don't think we have the cap for Lavine & Anderson. Would have to stretch some people.


Cutting Jackson and Hayes the Kings would be able to offer LaVine $20 million per. They'd also then be at the cap which would open the MLE (I believe $8 million'ish per) to offer to Anderson.

Cutting Jackson doesn’t not give you ANY cap. He is guaranteed. They are NOT cutting him. Stop overreacting. Dude was just a rookie.

Edit: also MLE Is not available to teams under the cap. If you spend your cap space, you can only use the room exception. No MLE.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#780 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Wed Jul 4, 2018 12:14 am

kalenclayton wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
I don't think we have the cap for Lavine & Anderson. Would have to stretch some people.


Cutting Jackson and Hayes the Kings would be able to offer LaVine $20 million per. They'd also then be at the cap which would open the MLE (I believe $8 million'ish per) to offer to Anderson.

Cutting Jackson doesn’t not give you ANY cap. He is guaranteed. They are NOT cutting him. Stop overreacting. Dude was just a rookie.

Edit: also MLE Is not available to teams under the cap. If you spend your cap space, you can only use the room exception. No MLE.


The room exception wouldn't get it done so you're right about Anderson.

As far as overreacting...there is no overreacting, Jackson sucks.

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