Kings Off-Season

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I'm unsure about LaVine's long term potential. He is recovering from an ACL injury.

He has played 71 games out of a possible 164 games in the last 2 seasons.

Risky to throw major $$$ at him.

That being said, if the Kings do successfully nab Lavine, he's the starting 2 guard next to Fox. He played PG in his first year with Minny but he isn't one. He simply doesn't have the natural instincts to be one. That is why Minny moved away from that experiment -- rightfully so. For me, it looks like:

Fox
LaVine
SF
Bagley
Giles

The SF can be Bogi -- even though I don't think he can guard SF full time. For the time being, I could see Shump getting minutes there. Unless, the Kings stretch Z-Bo and make a run at Kyle Anderson. So, if they do that:

Fox
LaVine
Anderson
Bagley
Giles

You have real weapons in Bogi & Buddy coming from the bench. Plus guys like WCS & Mason to round things up. Skal is a wild card at this point.

I wouldn't be oppose if this was Vlade's move.

I like Giles upside but right now Willie is the starter. I like a buyout preferably or stretch of Shumpert and signing of Anderson. My rotation would be:

Fox
LaVine
Anderson
Bagley
Cauley-Stein
Hield 6th man
Bogdanovic 7th man
Giles 8th man
Sampson 9th man
Koufos 10th man
Temple 11th man
Mason 12th man
Randolph 13th man

The first 8 set and last 5 depending on match ups.

[SactoKingsFan]

Bulls better match. Lavine isn't anything special. Some may think he has all-star potential but that's a long shot due to his low basketball IQ and terrible defense. I'd rather just start Hield and Bogdan instead overpaying Lavine.

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[PetrieUnderstudy]

An apparent insider on the Bulls forum said they'd match 4/$80. To get LaVine, a max 4/$106 may be needed and I could see Vlade doing it.

I watched some film on Kyle Anderson. He could be the glue guy in our starting unit and provide defensive length on the wing for Durant, George, LeBron etc. Depending on LaVine's offer maybe we could buyout or stretch Shumpert and/or Randolph to get both ex UCLA teammates.

I would be super excited to come out of this offseason with Bagley, LaVine, and Anderson.

[GimmeDat]

Lavine is Buddy with a bit more upside because of his athleticism, but with a worse feel for the game. Many Bulls fans don't like him because they think he's one of those net negative volume scorer types. He definitely pressed in his 24 games with us, his percentages were really down, and his defense was non-existent, like it has been his entire career. He can only play SG as well.

I don't get it for the Kings, seems like a poor investment given Hield's there. I want Lavine back because he was an important part of the Butler trade, we have no real other talent at SG, and he does have scoring upside, but I don't want to pay him much more than 15m. If Kings make an offer sheet I would assume it's at a price I and most Bulls fans would not want to match.

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[kalenclayton]

Lavine is Buddy with a bit more upside because of his athleticism, but with a worse feel for the game. Many Bulls fans don't like him because they think he's one of those net negative volume scorer types. He definitely pressed in his 24 games with us, his percentages were really down, and his defense was non-existent, like it has been his entire career. He can only play SG as well.

I don't get it for the Kings, seems like a poor investment given Hield's there. I want Lavine back because he was an important part of the Butler trade, we have no real other talent at SG, and he does have scoring upside, but I don't want to pay him much more than 15m. If Kings make an offer sheet I would assume it's at a price I and most Bulls fans would not want to match.

The only thing that seems to make sense to me is that Vlade is trying to build a really deep team. Instead of working with huge stars, his vision is looking like he wants to beat teams with his bench. Last season, we saw the Kings always come out flat to start the game. Then the bench would come in and just rock the opposing team’s 2nd unit to bring the Kings back in the game. It was very consistent. Maybe this is by design because the team doesn’t have stars to rely on at the moment.

Adding Lavine looks redundant, but he can play with all of Fox, Buddy, and Bogi. All four players will get close to starter minutes if this happens. They may be undersized and could get demolished defensively, but there isn’t a question that the offense will be there. If reports are true, the team will be looking to run and pick up the pace. If they move into the top-10 or possibly top-5 in pace, then this all makes sense. You will want to see more guards out there because they will be running and stamina could prove to be an issue. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.


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[kingjawn100]

I'd love if they talked Giles into focusing the majority of his efforts on the defensive end. Let him embrace that draymond-type role where he can rim-protect, defend and intimidate (basically the anti-willy). To me that's by far the most glaring deficiency on this entire team. There is no toughness and no one to deter guys from walking through the lane for layups. If he could be an above average defender/rim protector Bagley's defensive issues won't seem as glaring.

Offensively let him do the dirty work: screens, passing, putbacks etc.

i think that would be a whole lot more valuable than him being another offense first big ala Willie, Bagley, Zbo.

[jeffjtk1234]

Even if we land lavine we are going to be really bad next year


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[PetrieUnderstudy]

Even if we land lavine we are going to be really bad next year


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We're not going be any good until Fox, Bagley, and Giles reach their potential in addition to hiring a coach that develops his players, adapts to today's NBA, and builds offensive and defensive schemes around his personnels strengths.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Let's hire Jay Wright and move on from Joerger now. I get the sense Joerger is going to frustrate the hell out of all of us this year. I like the idea of hiring a top notch college coach because our "future" guys are all college age. We'd probably be 10 games better having someone like Brad Stevens. Same concept with Wright. I'm a Cal Bears fan and Jaylen Brown wasn't very good in college and I'm amazed how much he's improved. Good coaches get the best out of their players.

[Dominator83]

Lavine is Buddy with a bit more upside because of his athleticism, but with a worse feel for the game. Many Bulls fans don't like him because they think he's one of those net negative volume scorer types. He definitely pressed in his 24 games with us, his percentages were really down, and his defense was non-existent, like it has been his entire career. He can only play SG as well.

I don't get it for the Kings, seems like a poor investment given Hield's there. I want Lavine back because he was an important part of the Butler trade, we have no real other talent at SG, and he does have scoring upside, but I don't want to pay him much more than 15m. If Kings make an offer sheet I would assume it's at a price I and most Bulls fans would not want to match.

The only thing that seems to make sense to me is that Vlade is trying to build a really deep team. Instead of working with huge stars, his vision is looking like he wants to beat teams with his bench. Last season, we saw the Kings always come out flat to start the game. Then the bench would come in and just rock the opposing team’s 2nd unit to bring the Kings back in the game. It was very consistent. Maybe this is by design because the team doesn’t have stars to rely on at the moment.

Adding Lavine looks redundant, but he can play with all of Fox, Buddy, and Bogi. All four players will get close to starter minutes if this happens. They may be undersized and could get demolished defensively, but there isn’t a question that the offense will be there. If reports are true, the team will be looking to run and pick up the pace. If they move into the top-10 or possibly top-5 in pace, then this all makes sense. You will want to see more guards out there because they will be running and stamina could prove to be an issue. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.


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If you guys are willing to pay him $20 million per then take him. It's not that I don't like him, I just don't like him at that price. He'll likely never be a top 2 guy on a championship team. Doesn't play defense, not much of a passer, low BBIQ. Also, it seems like he makes players around him worse not better. Dunn and Markkanan were way worse with him and much better without him

[pipfan]

Bulls fan here

Would you guys do a S&T? Lavine/our 2019 pick top 15 protected, then becomes a second for Hield?

[kalenclayton]

Bulls fan here

Would you guys do a S&T? Lavine/our 2019 pick top 15 protected, then becomes a second for Hield?

I personally wouldn’t do that at all. I don’t even think Vlade does it. I don’t see the disparity in talent between Lavine and Hield. I think they are both good young players. I think Hield’s style and skills contribute more to winning basketball though. From Vlade’s perspective, I think he tries to sign Lavine and if it gets matched, then it gets matched. He’ll move on to the next target. No reason to spend assets on signing Lavine.


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[kingjawn100]

Bulls fan here

Would you guys do a S&T? Lavine/our 2019 pick top 15 protected, then becomes a second for Hield?

Would not. Why do that when we could just sign him to an offer sheet without giving up Hield? Maybe if it's Willie or one of our bigs who we need to get rid of but the Bulls don't really need more bigs. And a mid first round pick at best in a very bad draft class which is only 3 or 4 players deep? Nope.

i think all the free agent money that we have next summer kind of makes up for the lack of a first rounder. Instead of getting another rookie next summer we can get a guy in his mid-late 20s who can hopefully help immediately and fit the timeline.

[kingjawn100]

All that being said i don't think both Buddy and Bogi are on the roster opening night this year and if i had to guess i think Buddy would be the one that goes. Joerger and/or the front office doesn't seem totally enamored with him, as we saw with his minutes fluctuating.

I think Vlade is under such pressure to go into next season with a traditional small forward that he'll cave and trade Buddy to do so.

It's a tough call between buddy and bogi and it will be tough for our front office to stomach moving either. Do you trade the guy that Vlade had scouted for years and was probably the best trade vlade has ever made or do you trade the crown jewel from the demarcus trade?

[Castor_Troy]

All that being said i don't think both Buddy and Bogi are on the roster opening night this year and if i had to guess i think Buddy would be the one that goes. Joerger and/or the front office doesn't seem totally enamored with him, as we saw with his minutes fluctuating.

I think Vlade is under such pressure to go into next season with a traditional small forward that he'll cave and trade Buddy to do so.

It's a tough call between buddy and bogi and it will be tough for our front office to stomach moving either. Do you trade the guy that Vlade had scouted for years and was probably the best trade vlade has ever made or do you trade the crown jewel from the demarcus trade?

If that's the case I'm hoping Vlade already has a deal in place that he likes. Signing LaVine and then trying move Buddy or Bogi because of overload at the 2-spot just puts the Kings in a weaker leverage position during trade talks.

[BoogieTime]

Capela/Nurkic are the best FAs, without injury concern to boot, I hope they are targeted tomorrow

[SacKingZZZ]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

Easy explanation it is called strategy . Kings like Lavine if Bulls don't match we get a solid player . Kings do expect the Bulls to match so if they do that hurts their available cap & thus helps us take another team in threat of available cap . Giving power for remainder of free agents and trades .

I'm all for messing with other teams space, but at some point you just start cementing your place as leverage bait for all eternity.

[SacKingZZZ]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

Are we really calling Bogi and Buddy "tremendous" options at shooting guard? They are 2 of the better players on our pretty bad team but i'm not ready to say we can't upgrade the position.

Tremendous options in terms of their contracts, their age, and their potential. Yes, TREMENDOUS. I didn't say either were tremendous players although I personally believe they can be.

[SacKingZZZ]

All that being said i don't think both Buddy and Bogi are on the roster opening night this year and if i had to guess i think Buddy would be the one that goes. Joerger and/or the front office doesn't seem totally enamored with him, as we saw with his minutes fluctuating.

I think Vlade is under such pressure to go into next season with a traditional small forward that he'll cave and trade Buddy to do so.

It's a tough call between buddy and bogi and it will be tough for our front office to stomach moving either. Do you trade the guy that Vlade had scouted for years and was probably the best trade vlade has ever made or do you trade the crown jewel from the demarcus trade?

Totally un-Kings. They'd keep all of them and watch them all wilt. In theory you could say Bogdan plays with Lavine in the starting unit, and then you shift in Buddy off the bench so it can work. The best player of the 3 is coming off the bench in that scenario which is forever dumb but whatever. I just don't get how they think they can't draft Doncic because they didn't want to effect Fox, yet they'll sign someone like Lavine to a max deal who is roughly the same with an insistence on ball handling.