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Who should we target for backup PG?

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Who should we target for backup PG?

trade for Beverly/Teodosic
5
15%
Shabazz Napier
10
30%
Tyler Ennis
2
6%
Isaiah Thomas
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3%
Tony Parker
7
21%
Shelvin Mack
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3%
Tyler Ulis
0
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Devin Harris
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6%
Shane Larkin
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6%
Other (specify)
3
9%
 
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#181 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 6, 2018 1:24 pm

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LofJ wrote:I don't understand why a team like Memphis hasn't already offered Smart the MLE. I guess Smart's agent is still hoping that the Celtics will pay him more? If so I think they will be waiting in vain, Ainge isn't going to pay any more than he has to. It's likely the MLE or the QO for Smart, I'd take the latter if I was him.


The qualifying offer is less. Why would you take that over full MLE?


Because more teams will have cap space next summer and they won't have to deal with the RFA waiting period because he'll be unrestricted. There are more teams with max cap space than there are players that are worth it, several players are going to get overpaid because of that - Smart is a prime candidate to be one of them.


What if Smart takes MLE but only on a 1 year deal? He makes more this year than the QO plus he sets himself up for an irrational market next year.
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#182 » by LofJ » Fri Jul 6, 2018 1:50 pm

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The qualifying offer is less. Why would you take that over full MLE?


Because more teams will have cap space next summer and they won't have to deal with the RFA waiting period because he'll be unrestricted. There are more teams with max cap space than there are players that are worth it, several players are going to get overpaid because of that - Smart is a prime candidate to be one of them.


What if Smart takes MLE but only on a 1 year deal? He makes more this year than the QO plus he sets himself up for an irrational market next year.


I'm pretty sure you have to offer at least 3 years if you're an opposing team trying to sign a RFA. Maybe BlackOut or Vandy can correct me if I'm wrong?
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#183 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 6, 2018 2:08 pm

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Because more teams will have cap space next summer and they won't have to deal with the RFA waiting period because he'll be unrestricted. There are more teams with max cap space than there are players that are worth it, several players are going to get overpaid because of that - Smart is a prime candidate to be one of them.


What if Smart takes MLE but only on a 1 year deal? He makes more this year than the QO plus he sets himself up for an irrational market next year.


I'm pretty sure you have to offer at least 3 years if you're an opposing team trying to sign a RFA. Maybe BlackOut or Vandy can correct me if I'm wrong?


I see. That would make sense. 3 years on the MLE would be devastating to Smart and Ainge knows it. Smart is prickly though, but I doubt too proud to violate the advice of his agency. I'm gonna go ahead and scratch Smart off the list.
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#184 » by chabber » Fri Jul 6, 2018 2:20 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
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What if Smart takes MLE but only on a 1 year deal? He makes more this year than the QO plus he sets himself up for an irrational market next year.


I'm pretty sure you have to offer at least 3 years if you're an opposing team trying to sign a RFA. Maybe BlackOut or Vandy can correct me if I'm wrong?


I see. That would make sense. 3 years on the MLE would be devastating to Smart and Ainge knows it. Smart is prickly though, but I doubt too proud to violate the advice of his agency. I'm gonna go ahead and scratch Smart off the list.


I think the Mid-level, (above cap version) actually has a max length of 3 years. I'm almost positive that the Pelicans just signed Randle to a 1+1 PO MLE deal.
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#185 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Jul 6, 2018 2:45 pm

Non-Tax MLE: 1-4 years
Tax MLE: 1-3 years
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#186 » by LofJ » Fri Jul 6, 2018 2:46 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:
I'm pretty sure you have to offer at least 3 years if you're an opposing team trying to sign a RFA. Maybe BlackOut or Vandy can correct me if I'm wrong?


I see. That would make sense. 3 years on the MLE would be devastating to Smart and Ainge knows it. Smart is prickly though, but I doubt too proud to violate the advice of his agency. I'm gonna go ahead and scratch Smart off the list.


I think the Mid-level, (above cap version) actually has a max length of 3 years. I'm almost positive that the Pelicans just signed Randle to a 1+1 PO MLE deal.


The Pelicans were able to offer Randle a 1+1 deal with a PO on the 2nd year because the Lakers renounced their rights to him and made him an unrestricted free agent.
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#187 » by fatlever » Fri Jul 6, 2018 2:52 pm

Celtics would match any deal for smart that was under his market value. And the mid-level seems to be under his market value. Smart would be a waste of time. As well as it would allow the Celtics to get him on the bargain deal. Don't mess around with stealing restricted free agents unless you're willing to go over their market value and put their current team in a bad situation.

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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#188 » by NCHeels2008 » Fri Jul 6, 2018 4:24 pm

Also correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can offer restricted FAs one year deals? I think it has to be 2+1 at minimum
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Post#189 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Jul 6, 2018 4:42 pm

LofJ wrote:
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MasterIchiro wrote:
I see. That would make sense. 3 years on the MLE would be devastating to Smart and Ainge knows it. Smart is prickly though, but I doubt too proud to violate the advice of his agency. I'm gonna go ahead and scratch Smart off the list.


I think the Mid-level, (above cap version) actually has a max length of 3 years. I'm almost positive that the Pelicans just signed Randle to a 1+1 PO MLE deal.


The Pelicans were able to offer Randle a 1+1 deal with a PO on the 2nd year because the Lakers renounced their rights to him and made him an unrestricted free agent.


I see what you're saying now, and honestly it kinda slipped my mind, but yeah offer sheets have to be for two years at minimum. MLE in general can be for 1 year but not via offer sheet.

NCHeels2008 wrote:Also correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can offer restricted FAs one year deals? I think it has to be 2+1 at minimum


The absolute minimum is two years without any options, adding a player/team option after that is fine but not a requirement.

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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#190 » by Chapelchilla » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:02 pm

I hope we are busy trading MKG for Beverly right now......
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Post#191 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:13 pm

Kupchak mentioned the TPE is in play now but I have to assume he has negotiated prior to it becoming offical. And no bites. I have anxiety about backup PG.
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#192 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:14 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:I hope we are busy trading MKG for Beverly right now......


Clippers need to move 2 players. Maybe TPE or TPE plus a pick. If Kupchak has been working hard this should be close! I need closure!
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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#193 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:16 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Kupchak mentioned the TPE is in play now but I have to assume he has negotiated prior to it becoming offical. And no bites. I have anxiety about backup PG.


IT is right there for the taking, he probably has called us like Cousins called the Warriors to ask for a job.


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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#194 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:17 pm

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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#195 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:18 pm

To all the Beverly supporters, is he even going to be healthy to start the season?


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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#196 » by amcoolio » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:18 pm

Well, thats settled. He can't be that bad as a backup, 15 min a night role. Brings culture to the locker room too
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Post#198 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:22 pm

I'm down with the culture change aspect of getting Parker ... but he was not good last year.
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Post#199 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:23 pm

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Well if this trash signing is true then the best part of it is that Graham will beat this washed up dude out for our backup PG job by about the midway point of the season!


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Re: Who should we target for backup PG? 

Post#200 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:26 pm

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Well if this trash signing is true then the best part of it is that Graham will beat this washed up dude out for our backup PG job by about the midway point of the season!


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Hints at.them really loving Graham. Also hints at the limited minutes available there because SG is all Lamb + Monk.
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