Lavine signs 4/$80M offer sheet with Kings (UPDATE: Chicago Matches)

[KP6]

THJr's 4 Year/$17.5 Million deal is looking good now after some of these FA signings!

He has 3 years left on it now.

--Mags

No, it's not. But thanks for trying to cheer up us Knick fans.

[Ice Man]

Reminds me a bit of a JR Smith or CJ Miles.

He plays like early JR Smith, the version that didn't defend. For context, over the last two years, his real +/- on defense has equaled Derrick Rose's.

[Pantsman]

It continues to amaze me that these teams continue to give these crazy athletic players who don’t play a lick of defense this amount of money. Guys like lavine and Wiggins have every physical ability to be great defenders but don’t work on it. You really want to give big money to players who don’t maximize their own potential and work as hard as they can on their own game?

[Rubio9Guy]

And we wonder why the Bulls or Kings havent been relevant for 8 years+

Giving 20 mill a season to a *slightly* better than average at best SG is no way to rebuild

The Suns just gave more to a slightly better than average SG.

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[KazuoOda]

God Sacremento is close to reaching Cleveland Browns level of laughable.

Close? They have been neck and neck for years.

[Rubio9Guy]

If he's healthy is good but its Zach Lavine, when is this guy ever 100%. This could be a Chandler Parsons or Gallinari type deal if his injuries get any worse.

They should have gone for an S&T with the Kings and tried to get back Buddy.

He was literally healthy all the time before the acl.

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[DK-All Day]

If Vlade and Vivek want to harm other team's cap space in the future, I'd prefer they send a $20M/yr offer sheet Marcus Smart's way.

The joke would be on them. Danny Ainge wouldn’t match that lol.

[Spens1]

And why would the Kings ever be interested in such a deal?
The Kings simply knew, through doing their homework the Bulls were going to match as they offered Lavine not a whole lot less, but it also restricts the Bulls at taking on salary so it’s now only the Kings and Hawks that can do so, thus lowering other teams leverage when it comes to trades taking on salary (which imo the market isn’t as big as some would like to admit so I don’t see it being a great route at this point in time, but that’s another story).
It was a contract that Vlade could absolutely live with and wanted if it didn’t get matched, because how many FAs have ever signed in Sacramento, let alone a 23yo with high offensive upside. I mean actually EVER? That contract also staggers with Fox, Bagley, Buddy, Giles & Bogdan quite well whereas if it’s used next year it’s going to run into Buddy and Bogdan too quickly.
The Kings did their due diligence on Lavine and would be happy either way, but at no point would any team ever attach an asset such as Buddy to do a S&T in this situation.


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bull your front office knew anything, they went after a 3rd S.G (probably your strongest position) when you have so many other glaring holes on your roster (you have no starting quality S.F. and your best centre is WCS). and don't say positionless basketball because all 3 of them would get eaten alive playing S.F. or guarding proper small forwards.

This contract has every chance of being the next Chandler Parsons type deal, an ACL is no joke, especially at that age.

First of all let’s find out what the injury provisions in the contract were before proclaiming it the next Chandler Parsons contract.
Secondly, so your trying to tell me that the Chicago Sun Times has league sources that knew the Bulls offered him 8 million less and that they would essentially match the offer, but drag it out. But oh no the team that signed him had no idea what they were going up against? Please, that my friend is Bull!
Again, the Kings did their homework on this, they were prepared to have Lavine on the team, that’s the key here and it’s pretty obvious if you just do a little research from the Bulls and Kings sides.



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again, why another S.G though? Is Lavine going to be that much better than Bogdanovic or Hield to warrant that huge contract? Probably not.

[CeraVe]

Reminds me a bit of a JR Smith or CJ Miles.

He plays like early JR Smith, the version that didn't defend. For context, over the last two years, his real +/- on defense has equaled Derrick Rose's.

Always reminded me of young Monta but Monta had that mid range going and did not take 3’s. Both are good players and Monta did well in his career.

[Spens1]

And why would the Kings ever be interested in such a deal?
The Kings simply knew, through doing their homework the Bulls were going to match as they offered Lavine not a whole lot less, but it also restricts the Bulls at taking on salary so it’s now only the Kings and Hawks that can do so, thus lowering other teams leverage when it comes to trades taking on salary (which imo the market isn’t as big as some would like to admit so I don’t see it being a great route at this point in time, but that’s another story).
It was a contract that Vlade could absolutely live with and wanted if it didn’t get matched, because how many FAs have ever signed in Sacramento, let alone a 23yo with high offensive upside. I mean actually EVER? That contract also staggers with Fox, Bagley, Buddy, Giles & Bogdan quite well whereas if it’s used next year it’s going to run into Buddy and Bogdan too quickly.
The Kings did their due diligence on Lavine and would be happy either way, but at no point would any team ever attach an asset such as Buddy to do a S&T in this situation.


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bull your front office knew anything, they went after a 3rd S.G (probably your strongest position) when you have so many other glaring holes on your roster (you have no starting quality S.F. and your best centre is WCS). and don't say positionless basketball because all 3 of them would get eaten alive playing S.F. or guarding proper small forwards.

This contract has every chance of being the next Chandler Parsons type deal, an ACL is no joke, especially at that age.

You haven't proven yourself very knowledgeable on this matter.

1. Lavine is much younger than either Parsons or Gallo. Parsons was 28 when he signed his deal and had already had 3+ seasons missing nearly 20 games. Gallo is an injury nightmare that's no secret and has been an issue for years and years. Lavine had 1 injury and other than that has stayed healthy.

2. How the hell do you know what vlade knew? Lavines agent (long time agent, many clients including former King pg collison) could have brought vlade a contract from the bulls showing 4/72 and said listen we know they match we need your help and next year when Oubre and a few of my other guys are up I'll return the favor.

You dont think agent/GM relationships are important? And if we did get lavine, you are wrong about bogdan. Long term hes a small forward. In this versatile nba where wings are wings and forwards are forwards it's a joke to say a guy whose 6'6 is incapable of playing on the wing. Lets go ask stevens and ainge what they think about that. Or Morey and Meyers who are playing centers who are 6'7 and 6'6

even if Bogdan is a S.F. (which is a mistake since he's playing S.G. now) are you really going to sacrifice Hield completely.

Why not get an actual small forward and build a team instead of this 4D chess the Kings are trying (they've been trying to be too cute with their picks and signings for years, with almost all of them backfiring).

[sacking123]

bull your front office knew anything, they went after a 3rd S.G (probably your strongest position) when you have so many other glaring holes on your roster (you have no starting quality S.F. and your best centre is WCS). and don't say positionless basketball because all 3 of them would get eaten alive playing S.F. or guarding proper small forwards.

This contract has every chance of being the next Chandler Parsons type deal, an ACL is no joke, especially at that age.

First of all let’s find out what the injury provisions in the contract were before proclaiming it the next Chandler Parsons contract.
Secondly, so your trying to tell me that the Chicago Sun Times has league sources that knew the Bulls offered him 8 million less and that they would essentially match the offer, but drag it out. But oh no the team that signed him had no idea what they were going up against? Please, that my friend is Bull!
Again, the Kings did their homework on this, they were prepared to have Lavine on the team, that’s the key here and it’s pretty obvious if you just do a little research from the Bulls and Kings sides.



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again, why another S.G though? Is Lavine going to be that much better than Bogdanovic or Hield to warrant that huge contract? Probably not.

Perhaps it was because Vlades vision for the team, rightly or wrongly was Fox/Lavine/Bogdan with Buddy off the bench as he did last season and Lavine/Bogdan can switch between the 1-2 as well.
There was certainly enough room there for Lavine, even though we still had the likes of Temple/Shump/Jackson etc on the roster.


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[Spens1]

First of all let’s find out what the injury provisions in the contract were before proclaiming it the next Chandler Parsons contract.
Secondly, so your trying to tell me that the Chicago Sun Times has league sources that knew the Bulls offered him 8 million less and that they would essentially match the offer, but drag it out. But oh no the team that signed him had no idea what they were going up against? Please, that my friend is Bull!
Again, the Kings did their homework on this, they were prepared to have Lavine on the team, that’s the key here and it’s pretty obvious if you just do a little research from the Bulls and Kings sides.



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again, why another S.G though? Is Lavine going to be that much better than Bogdanovic or Hield to warrant that huge contract? Probably not.

Perhaps it was because Vlades vision for the team, rightly or wrongly was Fox/Lavine/Bogdan with Buddy off the bench as he did last season and Lavine/Bogdan can switch between the 1-2 as well.
There was certainly enough room there for Lavine, even though we still had the likes of Temple/Shump/Jackson etc on the roster.


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it still seems like a hell of a lot of money for a guy coming back from an ACL and combining for 71 games over the last 2 seasons. He certainly can be a player worth that much but it still. I think the Kings, if they wanted an athletic player should have gone for a max on Aaron Gordon or someone like that, i mean the Magic would match most likely but it shows intention at least.

[sacking123]

again, why another S.G though? Is Lavine going to be that much better than Bogdanovic or Hield to warrant that huge contract? Probably not.

Perhaps it was because Vlades vision for the team, rightly or wrongly was Fox/Lavine/Bogdan with Buddy off the bench as he did last season and Lavine/Bogdan can switch between the 1-2 as well.
There was certainly enough room there for Lavine, even though we still had the likes of Temple/Shump/Jackson etc on the roster.


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it still seems like a hell of a lot of money for a guy coming back from an ACL and combining for 71 games over the last 2 seasons. He certainly can be a player worth that much but it still. I think the Kings, if they wanted an athletic player should have gone for a max on Aaron Gordon or someone like that, i mean the Magic would match most likely but it shows intention at least.

Yeah I totally agree there. And they might have, but AG may not have shown interest. That’s why as I said we have never had any FA sign here around that age, particularly one with such upside offensively at least. And that is one reason Kings fans weren’t on board with it, his D doesn’t cut it. However I have a feeling that Vlade wants to find our leading scorer quick and out of Bagley or Lavine they would have it.
Personally I think Buddy could become that player or if not perhaps Parker would be a better option to take a risk on as his upside is excellent as well and wouldn’t have to pony up the dollars he did for Lavine.



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[kmac]

If Vlade and Vivek want to harm other team's cap space in the future, I'd prefer they send a $20M/yr offer sheet Marcus Smart's way.

The joke would be on them. Danny Ainge wouldn’t match that lol.

[TheFinishSniper]

This is what happens when two poorly run franchises go at each other. They make bad player get paid twice he is worth it. You dont know who is dumber. Kings to offer it or Bulls to match it

[Lala870]

lmao at the bulls matching.

Lavine is garbage

[CelticsLV]

What a horrible contract. Chucker who's close to being the worst defender in the NBA. Jamal Crawful 2.0

[Axolotl]

Zach LaVine! Yes, you! You just got overpaid by millions!

Now, go and prove me wrong. Be the Zach who took down the Timberwolves, ok? Ok.

[IrishBeatdown]

This is what happens when two poorly run franchises go at each other. They make bad player get paid twice he is worth it. You dont know who is dumber. Kings to offer it or Bulls to match it

It's the bulls, God we're terrible. I was so convinced we weren't going to match, and look at us now. A laughingstock again.

Zach LaVine! Yes, you! You just got overpaid by millions!

Now, go and prove me wrong. Be the Zach who took down the Timberwolves, ok? Ok.

I remember that one game last year that he looked like he was worth this contract, too.

[Arsenal]

If Vlade and Vivek want to harm other team's cap space in the future, I'd prefer they send a $20M/yr offer sheet Marcus Smart's way.

The joke would be on them. Danny Ainge wouldn’t match that lol.

Works for me. As a Sixers fan, I'd prefer to leave this offseason knowing the Celtics have either a) lost Marcus Smart, or b) overpaid Marcus Smart.

Get it done Vlade!