Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan

[Catledge]

What people don’t get about this trade is that management probably isn’t done making trades. Moving Vuc and DJ could possibly happen still.

People are only mad about this trade because they wanted IT to carry Orlando into a mediocre season, and an early playoff exit, at the expense of building a real team in the long term.

You could get IT make the playoffs and still build a "real team in the long term". I absolutely hate that logic and the fact that people think that tanking is the ONLY way. It is not.

So you are saying acquiring IT and waiting another year or two before finding a point guard to grow with MO5 and JI isn’t delaying the inevitable? Tanking isn’t really the main point. It’s developing players to play next to the current players that have been invested in with high lottery picks. Finding those players via trade or draft make sense. Signing 30 year old injured point guards on a redemption circuit does not.

I don't get the part where a better player at PG is bad for the development of our young guys. Giving them limited roles gives them less to focus on at any one time, and playing in competitive games gives them more valuable learning experiences than jogging through blowouts does.

[MagicFan101]

Yeah I don’t trust WeHam with spending wisely with picks anymore, so I don’t really care about the 2nd rounders.

Who did they pass on that you are upset about or made their pick “unwise?” - (honest question)

With Young and Doncic going ahead of us, Bamba was an obvious choice. You can say we should have made a move for #4 to break things up and get our guy but we don’t know the asking price.

Second rounders are tough to judge but there were some PG guys I wanted. Unfortunately, they all went off the board quickly or even slid into the late first round. We could have been more aggressive to trade up but again, we don’t know the asking price.

You can’t control who is drafted ahead of you...

Isaac is looking like the Isaac from HS and FSU. Everyone knew he was raw physically and but the talent was always there. I ranked him and DSjr as my 1a/1b prospects available at #6 last year. I would be very happy with DSjr but I’m just as thrilled about Isaac... as should you.

[bigdogdylan5]

What an absolute trash trade, we're going to go into the year with DJ as the starter and God forbid he gets injured, because then we're going to have a garbage 26 year old player entering his prime having done nothing but suck ass everywhere he's been. This means no IT and if AG, Fournier, Isaac, and Bamba don't improve/have an impact, then we're winning 19 games next year.

And that is a problem why? Guys we just need one more high draft pick to get our guard of the future I liked the idea of IT for like 5 mins than I realized it’s like lipstick on a pick and would cause us to win games.

[bigdogdylan5]

I love this board we make a trade that gets us second round picks and you say there only second rounders who cares? We give away second rounders and suddenly it’s like your first born.

[VFX]

You could get IT make the playoffs and still build a "real team in the long term". I absolutely hate that logic and the fact that people think that tanking is the ONLY way. It is not.

So you are saying acquiring IT and waiting another year or two before finding a point guard to grow with MO5 and JI isn’t delaying the inevitable? Tanking isn’t really the main point. It’s developing players to play next to the current players that have been invested in with high lottery picks. Finding those players via trade or draft make sense. Signing 30 year old injured point guards on a redemption circuit does not.

I don't get the part where a better player at PG is bad for the development of our young guys. Giving them limited roles gives them less to focus on at any one time, and playing in competitive games gives them more valuable learning experiences than jogging through blowouts does.

Nobody is saying that stuff is “bad” for development per se. I don’t know if you are aware, but this team is bad and will be regardless of IT or not. IMO in game experience is the best experience for developing players.

[Nemesis21]

I really can't believe people are complaining about this trade. WeHam pulled off the nearly impossible, trading Biz. Grant is a bonus, let's see what he can do.

[VFX]

Yeah I don’t trust WeHam with spending wisely with picks anymore, so I don’t really care about the 2nd rounders.

Who did they pass on that you are upset about or made their pick “unwise?” - (honest question)

With Young and Doncic going ahead of us, Bamba was an obvious choice. You can say we should have made a move for #4 to break things up and get our guy but we don’t know the asking price.

Second rounders are tough to judge but there were some PG guys I wanted. Unfortunately, they all went off the board quickly or even slid into the late first round. We could have been more aggressive to trade up but again, we don’t know the asking price.

You can’t control who is drafted ahead of you...

Isaac is looking like the Isaac from HS and FSU. Everyone knew he was raw physically and but the talent was always there. I ranked him and DSjr as my 1a/1b prospects available at #6 last year. I would be very happy with DSjr but I’m just as thrilled about Isaac... as should you.

If people are really upset at acquiring Grant at the expense of moving Biz and a second rounder, they should be more upset at WeHam not attempting to do anything in the draft to move up and select one of the 6 point guards worth drafting on a rookie deal instead.

As far as the rest of this topic, let’s just stick to not derailing the thread.

[MagicFan101]

I’m going back and reading trough this thread...

Wow, what a complete cluster **** of ignorance and over reaction.

We swapped crappy contracts while picking up yet another expiring contract at a position of need.

This adds flexibility for our roster and our trade options. How can anyone see this as an official declaration of “calling it an off-season!?”

Overall this is a small deal that likely does little more than open playing time for younger guys (isn’t that good?). But having a small expiring deal to pair with larger expiring deals and / or AG should the right deal present itself is not to be overlooked.

[rcklsscognition]

We passed on so many point guards in this year's draft, there were legit PGs available with both of our 2nd round picks.

[MagicFan101]

Yeah I don’t trust WeHam with spending wisely with picks anymore, so I don’t really care about the 2nd rounders.

Who did they pass on that you are upset about or made their pick “unwise?” - (honest question)

With Young and Doncic going ahead of us, Bamba was an obvious choice. You can say we should have made a move for #4 to break things up and get our guy but we don’t know the asking price.

Second rounders are tough to judge but there were some PG guys I wanted. Unfortunately, they all went off the board quickly or even slid into the late first round. We could have been more aggressive to trade up but again, we don’t know the asking price.

You can’t control who is drafted ahead of you...

Isaac is looking like the Isaac from HS and FSU. Everyone knew he was raw physically and but the talent was always there. I ranked him and DSjr as my 1a/1b prospects available at #6 last year. I would be very happy with DSjr but I’m just as thrilled about Isaac... as should you.

If people are really upset at acquiring Grant at the expense of moving Biz and a second rounder, they should be more upset at WeHam not attempting to do anything in the draft to move up and select one of the 6 point guards worth drafting on a rookie deal instead.

As far as the rest of this topic, let’s just stick to not derailing the thread.

I’m just feeding off of the topics you’re starting.

Yes, I wish we had found a way to walk out with one of those late PG prospects but the ones we expected to be in our second rounder range went in the late first. They were more valuable than anyone expected. We really don’t know what the price tag to move up was.

Complaining about not being aggressive in draft trades is one thing and is probably fair. But that isn’t the same as complaining about who they eventually used the pick we had on. I don’t see names after our picks worth being disappointed about.

WeHam did a good job with the picks we had. I just would have liked to see us move up for more targeted names.

[PennytoShaq]

Is there any real indication that the team is done or is that just typical forum over reacting?

So people shouldn’t have an opinion on this trade until after the trade deadline since that’s the last day to make deals?

Not saying that at all. It was a genuine question on if we knew the magic were done making moves. I have not been able to read through the news or the thread.

People react so strongly here that I thought the magic came out and said the summer was done.

[MagicFan101]

We passed on so many point guards in this year's draft, there were legit PGs available with both of our 2nd round picks.

Issuf Sanon
De'Anthony Melton
Tony Carr
Devon Hall
Shake Milton

That is it. Melton is really the only guy worth discussing. I agree, I probably would have liked to see us take a chance on him but he can't shoot and needs a lot of work. Definitely worth a 2nd round flier but worth complaining about? Nah.


Aaron Holiday, Anfernee Simmons and Jalen Brunson were worth attacking a move up trade. I wish that had happened. But I don't care about passing on the names above.

[The Real Dalic]

I really can't believe people are complaining about this trade. WeHam pulled off the nearly impossible, trading Biz. Grant is a bonus, let's see what he can do.

We traded Biz for the exact same contract and they're both around the same skill level. Don't mind that part though.

[PrimeThyme]

I really can't believe people are complaining about this trade. WeHam pulled off the nearly impossible, trading Biz. Grant is a bonus, let's see what he can do.

We acquired virtually the same exact contract back with Mosgov though...

[The Effect]

We passed on so many point guards in this year's draft, there were legit PGs available with both of our 2nd round picks.

Who was available?
Shake Milton and Tony Carr? Those are the only 2 i see that got drafted after frazier by the time our second 2nd rounder came up, and only bonga went between our 2 2nd rounders

[VFX]

Who did they pass on that you are upset about or made their pick “unwise?” - (honest question)

With Young and Doncic going ahead of us, Bamba was an obvious choice. You can say we should have made a move for #4 to break things up and get our guy but we don’t know the asking price.

Second rounders are tough to judge but there were some PG guys I wanted. Unfortunately, they all went off the board quickly or even slid into the late first round. We could have been more aggressive to trade up but again, we don’t know the asking price.

You can’t control who is drafted ahead of you...

Isaac is looking like the Isaac from HS and FSU. Everyone knew he was raw physically and but the talent was always there. I ranked him and DSjr as my 1a/1b prospects available at #6 last year. I would be very happy with DSjr but I’m just as thrilled about Isaac... as should you.

If people are really upset at acquiring Grant at the expense of moving Biz and a second rounder, they should be more upset at WeHam not attempting to do anything in the draft to move up and select one of the 6 point guards worth drafting on a rookie deal instead.

As far as the rest of this topic, let’s just stick to not derailing the thread.

I’m just feeding off of the topics you’re starting.

Yes, I wish we had found a way to walk out with one of those late PG prospects but the ones we expected to be in our second rounder range went in the late first. They were more valuable than anyone expected. We really don’t know what the price tag to move up was.

Complaining about not being aggressive in draft trades is one thing and is probably fair. But that isn’t the same as complaining about who they eventually used the pick we had on. I don’t see names after our picks worth being disappointed about.

WeHam did a good job with the picks we had. I just would have liked to see us move up for more targeted names.

I was admittedly a fan of the Frazier pick. That being said, I would much rather have Okobo, Shamet, Simons, Evans, Carter, or even Brunson.

I have a hard time believing they did all they could to try and draft one of those players instead, and given the point guard depth they probably should have, so people wouldn’t be as pissed at this deal because we didn’t land precious IT. I was pissed draft night because we needed to draft a point guard and just let every other team dictate what we did.

[basketballRob]

I really can't believe people are complaining about this trade. WeHam pulled off the nearly impossible, trading Biz. Grant is a bonus, let's see what he can do.

We acquired virtually the same exact contract back with Mosgov though...

Biz could have a crazy moment and opt out of his contract next season.

[MagicFan101]

I really can't believe people are complaining about this trade. WeHam pulled off the nearly impossible, trading Biz. Grant is a bonus, let's see what he can do.

We acquired virtually the same exact contract back with Mosgov though...

You can't trade a turd sandwich for a pretty princess...

This is a very small trade that simply smooths out our roster for the youngster bigs and adds a small expiring contract to help facilitate a possible future trade if need be.

This trade really isn't worth the fuss or so many pages...

[PrimeThyme]

I really can't believe people are complaining about this trade. WeHam pulled off the nearly impossible, trading Biz. Grant is a bonus, let's see what he can do.

We acquired virtually the same exact contract back with Mosgov though...

You can't trade a turd sandwich for a pretty princess...

This is a very small trade that simply smooths out our roster for the youngster bigs and adds a small expiring contract to help facilitate a possible future trade if need be.

This trade really isn't worth the fuss or so many pages...

People are defending this trade because we traded Biz though and it makes no sense because we still got Mosgov in return. If we had sent out the OKC pick or these second rounders and just acquired Grant and not Mosgov obviously this trade would be completely different. But its like people forget that we took back Mozgov's contract and sent out two-second rounders..

[j-ragg]

I really can't believe people are complaining about this trade. WeHam pulled off the nearly impossible, trading Biz. Grant is a bonus, let's see what he can do.

We acquired virtually the same exact contract back with Mosgov though...

You can't trade a turd sandwich for a pretty princess...

This is a very small trade that simply smooths out our roster for the youngster bigs and adds a small expiring contract to help facilitate a possible future trade if need be.

This trade really isn't worth the fuss or so many pages...

I agree I think partly because it’s the offseason, a lot of us are bitching for no real reason.

But you see deals like Brooklyn trading Mozgov for Dwight and all Brooklyn did was add a couple 2nds. then they bought out Dwight, so now their young bigs get playing time and they also get cap space a year sooner. We just traded the same extra sssets for a Russian version of the same player.