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Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1221 » by Captain_Caveman » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:05 pm

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Yes ageee Boston doesn’t need Leonard to make it out of the east. I expect a healthy Boston team to win 60-65 games next season. But they don’t want Philly getting him either. Don’t think Boston can beat philly with healthy Leonard. That’s my opinion and Boston fans will disagree.

As for assets. Rozier is not that good. He was inconsistent especially on the road. And more importantly the Spurs have no need for rozier. They have a younger/cheaper/taller and better defensive point guard (Murray) and a reliable backup (mills) even with Parker leaving. Spurs would have even less playing time for rozier than Boston has.

Have you seen the potential 2019 nba draft? It’s no where deep in talent as the 2018 nba draft. The sac pick becomes devalued quickly unless sac pick is guaranteed to be 2-3. And if sac is really bad and ends up #1. Than San Antonio is really screwed cause they end up with philly pick which is likely 25-27 range.

Marcus smart is restricted free agent and pretty much market for him has dried up unless he’s willing to take less money. Marcus Morris play is always unbalanced. And I’ve followed both Morris brothers since they were at Kansas.

As for what philly is supposedly offering. Covington is first team all nba defensive. He’s on a team friendly contract since his extension was front loaded. Yes. Covington drives philly fans crazy as well with dumb plays like the Morris brothers. He’s streaky shooter and is inconsistent.

Saric has a lower ceiling limited athletic but he’s 6 foot 10. He pretty much gives you 15/7 every night. And he’s more consistent than rozier and is just as cheaper as rozier

Plus philly is likely throwing in Miami unprotected 1st round 2021 pick. Who knows how bad Miami will be in 2021. But it’s unprotected and that may be first high school class to re enter.

What ainge is offering (supposedly) rozier/marcus Morris/smart (has to be a sign and trade and smart has to be agreeable to terms of extension) Plus sac pick (protected 1) or Memphis pick (protected 1-8) isn’t more than philly offering

San Antonio obviously feels neither offer is enticing enough though.


This is what happens when I gloss over posts; I didn't notice like everyone else did that you downplayed the Kings pick for next year yet then tried to make an argument that a pick three seasons from now will be better. :lol:

I found it real suspicious as is that Sixers fans were pouring onto our board, but yea, it's clear you've done it in questionable faith. You gotta come cleaner than that, guys. :nod:


The Kings pick is a crapshot. Any team who possesses the kings pick for 2019 is dealing with a lot of unknowns.

Look at Danny Ainge draft history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Unless the King pick ends up 2 or 3. Chances of selecting anyone of real value dramatically goes down. It’s a weak 2019 nba draft. Not saying you can find a diamond on the rough outside of the top 3. But who exactly has ainge drafted has become an all star.

This isn’t on ainge or any gm. It’s just how the nba works. Unless you are getting a guarantee top 3 nba draft pick. Ur chances of selecting players who can star dramatically go down.

Just look at the cavaliers getting the nets pick. Everyone was high on the draft “asset” when it was traded. But it became 8th overall. The nba probability talent pool for elite talent goes down quickly outside the top 3.

I think I’m being reasonable. I’ve addressed Covington and Saric’s negative.

Boston fans know rozier and smart and Morris negatives as well.

The spurs are biting regardless cause they would rather let Leonard walk and rebuild than be stuck in mediocrity with solid nba players but players who can’t impact games on a nighthly level.


Try being credible for just a moment. The Kings pick easily beats your alleged offer all by itself.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1222 » by Valid » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:05 pm

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gizardoe wrote:Hmm philly fans are slowly becoming raptor lite


Same fan base that hyped scrubs like MCW, Okafor and Evan Turner.

Don't forget K.J. McDaniels and Nerlens Noel.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1223 » by Valid » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:08 pm

kuclas wrote:
Tai wrote:
kuclas wrote:
Yes ageee Boston doesn’t need Leonard to make it out of the east. I expect a healthy Boston team to win 60-65 games next season. But they don’t want Philly getting him either. Don’t think Boston can beat philly with healthy Leonard. That’s my opinion and Boston fans will disagree.

As for assets. Rozier is not that good. He was inconsistent especially on the road. And more importantly the Spurs have no need for rozier. They have a younger/cheaper/taller and better defensive point guard (Murray) and a reliable backup (mills) even with Parker leaving. Spurs would have even less playing time for rozier than Boston has.

Have you seen the potential 2019 nba draft? It’s no where deep in talent as the 2018 nba draft. The sac pick becomes devalued quickly unless sac pick is guaranteed to be 2-3. And if sac is really bad and ends up #1. Than San Antonio is really screwed cause they end up with philly pick which is likely 25-27 range.

Marcus smart is restricted free agent and pretty much market for him has dried up unless he’s willing to take less money. Marcus Morris play is always unbalanced. And I’ve followed both Morris brothers since they were at Kansas.

As for what philly is supposedly offering. Covington is first team all nba defensive. He’s on a team friendly contract since his extension was front loaded. Yes. Covington drives philly fans crazy as well with dumb plays like the Morris brothers. He’s streaky shooter and is inconsistent.

Saric has a lower ceiling limited athletic but he’s 6 foot 10. He pretty much gives you 15/7 every night. And he’s more consistent than rozier and is just as cheaper as rozier

Plus philly is likely throwing in Miami unprotected 1st round 2021 pick. Who knows how bad Miami will be in 2021. But it’s unprotected and that may be first high school class to re enter.

What ainge is offering (supposedly) rozier/marcus Morris/smart (has to be a sign and trade and smart has to be agreeable to terms of extension) Plus sac pick (protected 1) or Memphis pick (protected 1-8) isn’t more than philly offering

San Antonio obviously feels neither offer is enticing enough though.


This is what happens when I gloss over posts; I didn't notice like everyone else did that you downplayed the Kings pick for next year yet then tried to make an argument that a pick three seasons from now will be better. :lol:

I found it real suspicious as is that Sixers fans were pouring onto our board, but yea, it's clear you've done it in questionable faith. You gotta come cleaner than that, guys. :nod:


The Kings pick is a crapshot. Any team who possesses the kings pick for 2019 is dealing with a lot of unknowns.

Look at Danny Ainge draft history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Unless the King pick ends up 2 or 3. Chances of selecting anyone of real value dramatically goes down. It’s a weak 2019 nba draft. Not saying you can find a diamond on the rough outside of the top 3. But who exactly has ainge drafted has become an all star.

This isn’t on ainge or any gm. It’s just how the nba works. Unless you are getting a guarantee top 3 nba draft pick. Ur chances of selecting players who can star dramatically go down.

Just look at the cavaliers getting the nets pick. Everyone was high on the draft “asset” when it was traded. But it became 8th overall. The nba probability talent pool for elite talent goes down quickly outside the top 3.

I think I’m being reasonable. I’ve addressed Covington and Saric’s negative.

Boston fans know rozier and smart and Morris negatives as well.

The spurs are biting regardless cause they would rather let Leonard walk and rebuild than be stuck in mediocrity with solid nba players but players who can’t impact games on a nighthly level.

So the Kings 2019 pick is an "unknown" but a pick from a current playoff team three years from now is a rock-solid asset. Got it.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1224 » by Tai » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:24 pm

kuclas wrote:
Tai wrote:
kuclas wrote:
Yes ageee Boston doesn’t need Leonard to make it out of the east. I expect a healthy Boston team to win 60-65 games next season. But they don’t want Philly getting him either. Don’t think Boston can beat philly with healthy Leonard. That’s my opinion and Boston fans will disagree.

As for assets. Rozier is not that good. He was inconsistent especially on the road. And more importantly the Spurs have no need for rozier. They have a younger/cheaper/taller and better defensive point guard (Murray) and a reliable backup (mills) even with Parker leaving. Spurs would have even less playing time for rozier than Boston has.

Have you seen the potential 2019 nba draft? It’s no where deep in talent as the 2018 nba draft. The sac pick becomes devalued quickly unless sac pick is guaranteed to be 2-3. And if sac is really bad and ends up #1. Than San Antonio is really screwed cause they end up with philly pick which is likely 25-27 range.

Marcus smart is restricted free agent and pretty much market for him has dried up unless he’s willing to take less money. Marcus Morris play is always unbalanced. And I’ve followed both Morris brothers since they were at Kansas.

As for what philly is supposedly offering. Covington is first team all nba defensive. He’s on a team friendly contract since his extension was front loaded. Yes. Covington drives philly fans crazy as well with dumb plays like the Morris brothers. He’s streaky shooter and is inconsistent.

Saric has a lower ceiling limited athletic but he’s 6 foot 10. He pretty much gives you 15/7 every night. And he’s more consistent than rozier and is just as cheaper as rozier

Plus philly is likely throwing in Miami unprotected 1st round 2021 pick. Who knows how bad Miami will be in 2021. But it’s unprotected and that may be first high school class to re enter.

What ainge is offering (supposedly) rozier/marcus Morris/smart (has to be a sign and trade and smart has to be agreeable to terms of extension) Plus sac pick (protected 1) or Memphis pick (protected 1-8) isn’t more than philly offering

San Antonio obviously feels neither offer is enticing enough though.


This is what happens when I gloss over posts; I didn't notice like everyone else did that you downplayed the Kings pick for next year yet then tried to make an argument that a pick three seasons from now will be better. :lol:

I found it real suspicious as is that Sixers fans were pouring onto our board, but yea, it's clear you've done it in questionable faith. You gotta come cleaner than that, guys. :nod:


The Kings pick is a crapshot. Any team who possesses the kings pick for 2019 is dealing with a lot of unknowns.

Look at Danny Ainge draft history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Unless the King pick ends up 2 or 3. Chances of selecting anyone of real value dramatically goes down. It’s a weak 2019 nba draft. Not saying you can find a diamond on the rough outside of the top 3. But who exactly has ainge drafted has become an all star.

This isn’t on ainge or any gm. It’s just how the nba works. Unless you are getting a guarantee top 3 nba draft pick. Ur chances of selecting players who can star dramatically go down.

Just look at the cavaliers getting the nets pick. Everyone was high on the draft “asset” when it was traded. But it became 8th overall. The nba probability talent pool for elite talent goes down quickly outside the top 3.

I think I’m being reasonable. I’ve addressed Covington and Saric’s negative.

Boston fans know rozier and smart and Morris negatives as well.

The spurs are biting regardless cause they would rather let Leonard walk and rebuild than be stuck in mediocrity with solid nba players but players who can’t impact games on a nighthly level.


You got all this to say about the 2019 Sac pick, but all you've got for us on the 2021 Heat pick is "who knows how bad MIami will be" and that high schoolers could be drafted again? So what, your argument is a team can draft Lebron Jr? :lol:
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1225 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sun Jul 8, 2018 6:09 pm

Valid wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
gizardoe wrote:Hmm philly fans are slowly becoming raptor lite


Same fan base that hyped scrubs like MCW, Okafor and Evan Turner.

Don't forget K.J. McDaniels and Nerlens Noel.


I dont know what you guys are talking about, all of those guys were clearly generational talents...
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1226 » by papajoe » Sun Jul 8, 2018 6:18 pm

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papajoe wrote:No he didn't you've made that up. It's been said by multiple journalist that we're the only eastern conference team he'd sign for. Jabari young a spurs beat reporter said exactly the same a week ago.

No where does he say that its his opinion you just made that up to make yourself feel better.

You do realize he was on for more than thirty seconds of a Twitter clip, right, you insecure little fool?

Now please, for your sake, take your ball and piss off back to the Sixers forum. No one cares about your takes here.


He did not say it was his opinion I watched it live keep deluding yourself.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1227 » by GoCeltics123 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 6:27 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Valid wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Same fan base that hyped scrubs like MCW, Okafor and Evan Turner.

Don't forget K.J. McDaniels and Nerlens Noel.


I dont know what you guys are talking about, all of those guys were clearly generational talents...

How can we forget the great Tony Wroten? :lol:
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1228 » by ermocrate » Sun Jul 8, 2018 6:32 pm

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The point of the thread is what it will take to get Leonard to the Celtics.

Clearly ainge isn’t willing to give up any real assets. Spurs do not need rozier and do not consider rozier and or sac (likely anywhere between 3-10 /Memphis 2019 pick (which won’t convey if it’s 8th or better)

So what ainge is likely is offering is nothing spurs want.

So ainge has drawn a line and won’t trade brown or whoever spurs want.

Just move on.

You just don't have better assets beside Simmons and Embijd than Rozier-Morris-Smart and Sac pick, so still the supposed asking price for KL is low for philly compare to Bos or LA. Keep in mind that this is just an academic discussion for us Celtics fan, we don't need Kahwi, would be just a nice ornament to have, and this is why he would like better to go to Phila than Boston, because we are the Superteam of the east to beat.


Yes ageee Boston doesn’t need Leonard to make it out of the east. I expect a healthy Boston team to win 60-65 games next season. But they don’t want Philly getting him either. Don’t think Boston can beat philly with healthy Leonard. That’s my opinion and Boston fans will disagree.

As for assets. Rozier is not that good. He was inconsistent especially on the road. And more importantly the Spurs have no need for rozier. They have a younger/cheaper/taller and better defensive point guard (Murray) and a reliable backup (mills) even with Parker leaving. Spurs would have even less playing time for rozier than Boston has.

Have you seen the potential 2019 nba draft? It’s no where deep in talent as the 2018 nba draft. The sac pick becomes devalued quickly unless sac pick is guaranteed to be 2-3. And if sac is really bad and ends up #1. Than San Antonio is really screwed cause they end up with philly pick which is likely 25-27 range.

Marcus smart is restricted free agent and pretty much market for him has dried up unless he’s willing to take less money. Marcus Morris play is always unbalanced. And I’ve followed both Morris brothers since they were at Kansas.

As for what philly is supposedly offering. Covington is first team all nba defensive. He’s on a team friendly contract since his extension was front loaded. Yes. Covington drives philly fans crazy as well with dumb plays like the Morris brothers. He’s streaky shooter and is inconsistent.

Saric has a lower ceiling limited athletic but he’s 6 foot 10. He pretty much gives you 15/7 every night. And he’s more consistent than rozier and is just as cheaper as rozier

Plus philly is likely throwing in Miami unprotected 1st round 2021 pick. Who knows how bad Miami will be in 2021. But it’s unprotected and that may be first high school class to re enter.

What ainge is offering (supposedly) rozier/marcus Morris/smart (has to be a sign and trade and smart has to be agreeable to terms of extension) Plus sac pick (protected 1) or Memphis pick (protected 1-8) isn’t more than philly offering

San Antonio obviously feels neither offer is enticing enough though.

It's not a matter of opinions, 2018 Philly+Kahwi loses to 2018 Celtics+Irving+Hayward 9.5 out of 10. Covington and Saric are both SF, Covington is 27yo and not getting better(and with a long contract), Saric is a decent player and can be useful, Boston owns Memphis pick until 2021 when it became unprotected, Sac or Phi pick and LAC pick lottery protected, way more than Philly's pick, Rozier and Smart are the same age of Saric (23) and getting better on any given year, Morris would be just an useful player with a friendly contract that comes off the book next year.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1229 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sun Jul 8, 2018 7:04 pm

Wow this thread really blows now
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1230 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Jul 8, 2018 7:08 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Wow this thread really blows now

I blame Uncle Dennis.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1231 » by BigTrade92 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 7:31 pm

papajoe wrote:
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papajoe wrote:No he didn't you've made that up. It's been said by multiple journalist that we're the only eastern conference team he'd sign for. Jabari young a spurs beat reporter said exactly the same a week ago.

No where does he say that its his opinion you just made that up to make yourself feel better.

You do realize he was on for more than thirty seconds of a Twitter clip, right, you insecure little fool?

Now please, for your sake, take your ball and piss off back to the Sixers forum. No one cares about your takes here.


He did not say it was his opinion I watched it live keep deluding yourself.

So did I cupcake, what he said was his personal opinion.

Your trash team isnt winning jacksh*t with or without Leonard. You’re our b*tch now and you’ll be our b*tch for the next decade. Keep deluding yourself that your garbage players are actually worth a damn.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1232 » by Kefa461 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 8:59 pm

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LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Wow this thread really blows now

I blame Uncle Dennis.


as long as his uncle is calling the shots there will be problems....just like the Ball issues...who needs it
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1233 » by Tai » Sun Jul 8, 2018 9:06 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Wow this thread really blows now


I wonder why. I'd have no problem with some trash having to be taken out if it comes to that. :nod:
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1234 » by jcappy » Sun Jul 8, 2018 10:43 pm

Kefa461 wrote:
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LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Wow this thread really blows now

I blame Uncle Dennis.


as long as his uncle is calling the shots there will be problems....just like the Ball issues...who needs it


It seems that Popavich has had a much harder time with coaching authority since the departure of Tim Duncan. Because Duncan accepted Pop's style of criticism and coaching, the rest of the team did too. But now players rebel over too much coaching, too much criticism etc... leaving players to kind go more their own way. It will be interesting to see how Leonard does under Pop during the Olympic team workouts with Pop at the helm. Leonard's very silent manner kind of confuses all the issues around him and the team... and his uncle.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1235 » by Green89 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 10:57 pm

Peter Vescey trying to disspell recent rumors. Says Kawhi WILL be willing to play with Lebron, and also says Kawyhi WON'T stay on in Philly past one year.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1236 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Jul 8, 2018 11:01 pm

Why are we still discussing this?
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1237 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 8, 2018 11:47 pm

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gizardoe wrote:Hmm philly fans are slowly becoming raptor lite


Same fan base that hyped scrubs like MCW, Okafor and Evan Turner.

Don't forget K.J. McDaniels and Nerlens Noel.

Remember when they would trade us Noel and Okafor for anything less than multiple Brooklyn picks.

And, Fultz vs. Tatum —— Jury’s out bro. Tatum is better than Fultz. The truth is, he was always better than Fultz. Sometimes draft people overscout.

That is highway robbery.


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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1238 » by La Flame » Sun Jul 8, 2018 11:54 pm

its best to ignore these philly trolls tbh
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1239 » by K For Three » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:37 am

I may be crazy, but I still think eventually he will be a Celtic.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#1240 » by Valid » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:51 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Why are we still discussing this?

Why are you posting in this thread if you don't want to discuss it? It's the offseason. Should we talk about what we are all having for breakfast tomorrow morning?

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