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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#61 » by Pythagoras » Sun Jul 8, 2018 10:38 pm

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Boy.... sound like you need a new team to follow. This one's not nearly as smart as you are.


Don’t be a dick dude.


I took that too far but you've been a veritable ray of sunshine around here. Seems like nothing besides LeBron has met with your approval. This one, to me is a really petty beef. Lopez is not the type of center we need. One of the biggest guys in the league mailing it in on defense and tossing a few 3's isn't what we need. We'll score just fine without him and we may have a center that can get 5 or 6 boards a night to boot. He is the least of our issues.

The offseason isn't over yet. My guess is that we'll fix the holes most of us are seeing. If we wanted him we'd have him is my thought. We didn't want him... it's that simple.


You’ve got to be kidding me... I’m one of the most positive posters on here. I’m quick to defend our young guys, moreso than even you, and I defended the KCP signing. I’m hardly the only person worried about these offseason signings, so let’s not act like I’m on some lone island here.

And yeah, Magic clearly didn’t want him, that’s not in debate. The debate is, whether we should have wanted him. I explained pretty clearly why I’m concerned about what we’re doung. The Lakers were 12th in DRtg last year, and 23rd in ORtg. Their 3 point % was 18% below league average. Ergo, why I said had we been even league average shooting the 3, we would have competed for a playoff spot.

Instead of addressing what was blatantly an issue, Magic has gone complete 180. I think we’re still pretty clearly a playoff team. I think we’ll compete for the 3 seed, (assuming we don’t sign Melo and let him wreck everything).

These signings may very well work out, but it’s hardly out of bounds to be worried about them.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#62 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 10:48 pm

Pythagoras wrote: Their 3 point % was 18% below league average.

Wait, what? I'm not looking it up, but there's no way they shot like 17% from three.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#63 » by Spens1 » Sun Jul 8, 2018 10:50 pm

wwell that's awkward, our insurance policy just went out the window. What exactly are Maginka up to because no way can we roll with a McGee-Wagner-Zubac rotation and expect to win.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#64 » by Landsberger » Sun Jul 8, 2018 10:55 pm

Pythagoras wrote:
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Don’t be a dick dude.


I took that too far but you've been a veritable ray of sunshine around here. Seems like nothing besides LeBron has met with your approval. This one, to me is a really petty beef. Lopez is not the type of center we need. One of the biggest guys in the league mailing it in on defense and tossing a few 3's isn't what we need. We'll score just fine without him and we may have a center that can get 5 or 6 boards a night to boot. He is the least of our issues.

The offseason isn't over yet. My guess is that we'll fix the holes most of us are seeing. If we wanted him we'd have him is my thought. We didn't want him... it's that simple.


You’ve got to be kidding me... I’m one of the most positive posters on here. I’m quick to defend our young guys, moreso than even you, and I defended the KCP signing. I’m hardly the only person worried about these offseason signings, so let’s not act like I’m on some lone island here.

And yeah, Magic clearly didn’t want him, that’s not in debate. The debate is, whether we should have wanted him. I explained pretty clearly why I’m concerned about what we’re doung. The Lakers were 12th in DRtg last year, and 23rd in ORtg. Their 3 point % was 18% below league average. Ergo, why I said had we been even league average shooting the 3, we would have competed for a playoff spot.

Instead of addressing what was blatantly an issue, Magic has gone complete 180. I think we’re still pretty clearly a playoff team. I think we’ll compete for the 3 seed, (assuming we don’t sign Melo and let him wreck everything).

These signings may very well work out, but it’s hardly out of bounds to be worried about them.


What does last year's team have to do with anything? That team was at least 3 or 4 distinct teams during the year as injuries, growth and trades changed it. An average of 82 games is meaningless to this year's team with so many players who played regularly gone and the ones remaining having altered roles. The system could be different as well. Situations are different. So called "advanced stats" based on averages of flawed statistics doesn't prove anything to me. The variables and data required to actually project outcomes based on individual play in a dynamic team sport are not available.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#65 » by Pythagoras » Sun Jul 8, 2018 11:06 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Pythagoras wrote: Their 3 point % was 18% below league average.

Wait, what? I'm not looking it up, but there's no way they shot like 17% from three.


I worded that incorrectly. Posting in too much of a hurry, you’re right. They were 1.8% percentage points below league average.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#66 » by The Skyhook » Sun Jul 8, 2018 11:53 pm

Would have loved to see him back on a one year deal. I just don't trust McGee as a starting option at the 5. Maybe they're impressed with hat they've seen from Zu this offseason.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#67 » by No name » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:24 am

I don't see how signing him could have hurt. Unless Brook just didn't want to be a Laker I'm puzzled.
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Post#68 » by stan francisco » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:27 am

I think Zu might be more or less as good a starter as Lopez at this point. Lopez’ defense improved and for that reason I’d like to see him back. And Zubac played well in Europe this summer. Maybe he’s ready.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#69 » by tviper » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:39 am

I don't get the obsession with signing a center. guys like Brook are not long for the league. the game has completely changed, and LAL already has three guys that can play minutes if another team puts a dinosaur in the game. why waste another roster spot?
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#70 » by DEEP3CL » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:48 am

dockingsched wrote:Don’t think Lopez fits the type of defensive ability and awareness that this team seems to be building towards.
Exactly, this is a team that will have the ability to switch everything. Then the other aspect of it was the offensive playmaking, Lopez wasn't that great of a passer nor has he ever been. He doesn't draw many double teams, and didn't rebound all that well for a supposed 5.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#71 » by DEEP3CL » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:51 am

No name wrote:I don't see how signing him could have hurt. Unless Brook just didn't want to be a Laker I'm puzzled.
He choose a role that gave him certainty. Being in LA and knowing he would be sitting 4 quarters now that we have Bron changed everything for him. He signed for less money than what we we're probably going to pay him. In Milwaukee he'll be on the floor in the 4th because the Bucks weren't that great at shooting the 3 anyway.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#72 » by stan francisco » Mon Jul 9, 2018 1:30 am

Lopez is a Buck.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#73 » by Wavy Q » Mon Jul 9, 2018 1:31 am

DEEP3CL wrote:
dockingsched wrote:Don’t think Lopez fits the type of defensive ability and awareness that this team seems to be building towards.
Exactly, this is a team that will have the ability to switch everything. Then the other aspect of it was the offensive playmaking, Lopez wasn't that great of a passer nor has he ever been. He doesn't draw many double teams, and didn't rebound all that well for a supposed 5.


Dog rebounders too, i'd say everyone in our lineup is a +rebounder. Brook was trash at rebounding.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#74 » by LakersSoul » Mon Jul 9, 2018 1:41 am

No name wrote:I don't see how signing him could have hurt. Unless Brook just didn't want to be a Laker I'm puzzled.


The Lakers have to keep the $5million in salary cap open just in case Kawhi is traded to us.
We have until August 31 to stretch Deng and we need that additional $5 million to make the trade to Spurs possible.

Although I also would prefer to have BroLo back, I think the team expects McGee, Zubac to handle most of those minutes while MoSWag gives us that small-ball stretch 5. I expect MoSwag to get a lot of minutes as the season goes forward. We might even see the team go super small and have Kuz or LeBron play the 5 spot against all the stretch 5 teams like GSW. Why have a big post when Draymond might be spotting outside. Our 5 can then outrace their center for an easy layup on the other side.

I expect the team is keeping cap flexibility and player flexibility.
Give Magic and Pelinka a chance. I think they have been plotting the whole scenario for the past 1.5 years now.
They are visionaries and have shown keen sense of roster players and chemistry for the team.

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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#75 » by BEazy » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:01 am

I think they're happy with what they see in Wagner that they saw Brook expendable.
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#76 » by RamonSessions7 » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:31 am

Spens1 wrote:wwell that's awkward, our insurance policy just went out the window. What exactly are Maginka up to because no way can we roll with a McGee-Wagner-Zubac rotation and expect to win.

Pretty clear he wasnt even our safety net if we let him walk with that deal he took. I'm no fan of Brook so I'm perfectly ok with it, but do like the fit for milwaukee. Think he'll have a good year and make money again next year
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Re: Brook Lopez 

Post#77 » by Spens1 » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:33 am

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Spens1 wrote:wwell that's awkward, our insurance policy just went out the window. What exactly are Maginka up to because no way can we roll with a McGee-Wagner-Zubac rotation and expect to win.

Pretty clear he wasnt even our safety net if we let him walk with that deal he took. I'm no fan of Brook so I'm perfectly ok with it, but do like the fit for milwaukee. Think he'll have a good year and make money again next year


had to be because we have one of the worst starting center rotations in the league as it stands right now. Something has to be up.

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