Rotation if the season started today

[becorz]

Trade WCS for Winslow.

Why would Miami do that? They have 3 playable centers on their team.

[LightTheBeam]

Trade WCS for Winslow.

Why would Miami do that? They have 3 playable centers on their team.

Olynyk logged a ton of minutes at PF. Whiteside isn't in their longterm plans, I doubt Winslow is either. We could throw a few 2nds at them to make it worthwhile?

(Whiteside)/Bam/WCS
Johnson/Olynyk
Richardson/Derrick Jones JR/Mcgruder
Waiters/Ellington/Wade
Gragic/Johnson

They have a ton of 2-3s. More so than bigs

[becorz]

Trade WCS for Winslow.

Why would Miami do that? They have 3 playable centers on their team.

Olynyk logged a ton of minutes at PF. Whiteside isn't in their longterm plans, I doubt Winslow is either. We could throw a few 2nds at them to make it worthwhile?

(Whiteside)/Bam/WCS
Johnson/Olynyk
Richardson/Derrick Jones JR/Mcgruder
Waiters/Ellington/Wade
Gragic/Johnson

They have a ton of 2-3s. More so than bigs

Wade is currently a free agent. Derrick Jones Jr was waived by the Suns. And McGruder is an undrafted project.

Olynyk did play a lot of time at the 4 last year, but it was out of necessity. The only other 4 they had on the bench Winslow.

I think trading Winslow for WCS would definitely put their roster out of whack. No one is trading for Whiteside, but if you are going to have him around, you have to play him minutes. He is a talented player and, frankly, he is getting paid too much to sit. Looking at their lineup, they have 96 minutes to go around at 4/5. Olynyk played 25 per game, Bam Adebayo played 20, James Johnson played 26, and Whiteside played 26. That adds up to 97 minutes. Where is WCS going to play? Why would they trade for a guy who is going to be restricted and not play him?

If they only want some second rounders (I doubt they do), they are just better off routing WCS to a third team....but who wants him?

I guess my point is they have a ton of 1/2s and they have a ton of 4/5s. Not so much on the 3s...

[SacKingZZZ]

Reading Yahoo's article on the Yogi signing, I saw this https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-yogi-ferrell-agrees-2-year-6-2m-deal-kings-200922148.html

“I heard the vision and optimism from Vlade and Brandon, and got a view of the culture and direction from veterans I look up to, and that was impactful,” Ferrell told Yahoo Sports. “I see the explosive potential from a starving young group that wants to open the floor up with more shooting and play with speed and smarts.

What if the Kings truly want to play fast. Could they have a rotation like this?

WCS(24) /Giles (24)
Bagley(24) / Jackson (24)
Bogdan(30)/Shump (18)
Buddy(30)/Yogi(18)
Fox(30)/Mason(18)

That would be a real fast and real young team. And I like the idea of playing Jackson at PF.

And if it doesn't follow through they've officially hit the bottom on being able to convince players of anything. Might as well just check FA right off the list.

I'm getting my Maury Povich memes ready.

[KF10]

I don't know the minutes distribution (I haven't given much thought to it) but this is my preferred starting 5:

Fox
Bogi
Bjelica
Bagley
Giles

[bleeds_purple]

I don't know the minutes distribution (I haven't given much thought to it) but this is my preferred starting 5:

Fox
Bogi
Bjelica
Bagley
Giles

Do you guys think Bjelica can play the 3 full time? He seems like a 4 from the videos I've been watching. I could see him getting spot minutes at the 3 against bench units but I think he would get destroyed starting there.

I'd probably go with WCS and Jackson in the starting lineup over Bjelica and Giles. Crunch-time lineup would replace WCS with Hield and playing Jackson or Bjelica depending on who was hitting their shots that game.

[Sactowndog]

I think many of you are underestimating the esteem by which the organization holds Giles and he isn’t a rookie just coming in. I suspect Jeoger will have a big and small rotation he uses depending on match-ups.

Big line up:
Center: Giles 28, Koufos 15, WCS 2
Wing 1: WCS or Bagley 35 (Minutes will depend on how Bagley picks up perimeter D), Jackson or Shumpert 10
Wing 2: Beli 25, Skal or ZBo 15 (depending on Skal’s strength)
Wing 3: Bogdan 15, Buddy 28, Shumpert 2
Ball handler: Fox 28, Bogdan 13,

Small Ball Line up:
Center: Giles 28, WCS 17
Power forward: Beli 28, Bagley 17
Small Forward: Bogdan 30, Shumpert or Jackson 15
Shooting Guard: Buddy 30, Shumpert 15
Point Guard: Fox 28, Yogi 15, Mason 2

[kingjawn100]

I think many of you are underestimating the esteem by which the organization holds Giles and he isn’t a rookie just coming in. I suspect Jeoger will have a big and small rotation he uses depending on match-ups.

Big line up:
Center: Giles 28, Koufos 15, WCS 2
Wing 1: WCS or Bagley 35 (Minutes will depend on how Bagley picks up perimeter D), Jackson or Shumpert 10
Wing 2: Beli 25, Skal or ZBo 15 (depending on Skal’s strength)
Wing 3: Bogdan 15, Buddy 28, Shumpert 2
Ball handler: Fox 28, Bogdan 13,

Small Ball Line up:
Center: Giles 28, WCS 17
Power forward: Beli 28, Bagley 17
Small Forward: Bogdan 30, Shumpert or Jackson 15
Shooting Guard: Buddy 30, Shumpert 15
Point Guard: Fox 28, Yogi 15, Mason 2

Eh...they like Giles but they aren't playing him 30 minutes a night and i'd seriously doubt he even starts to begin the year. Jason March said recently the only goal for Harry in Summer League was to see him get through it healthy. That doesn't sound like a guy they're counting being a day-in day-out starter.

My hope is that they take it slow with him and sit him the majority of back-to-backs throughout the year. If they're counting on him being a long term piece of the future no need to overuse him in a year where you're not even expected to win 30 games.They've already used the slow approach sitting him for a year...no way they're just gonna run him ragged and risk injury.

I think we'll see him play in spurts this year and then when all the other bigs (koufos, randolph, wcs) come off the books next summer he'll take over as the full time starter, if healthy, in 2019-2020 (he'll be 3 full years removed from last surgery/injury at that point).

[Sactowndog]

I think many of you are underestimating the esteem by which the organization holds Giles and he isn’t a rookie just coming in. I suspect Jeoger will have a big and small rotation he uses depending on match-ups.

Big line up:
Center: Giles 28, Koufos 15, WCS 2
Wing 1: WCS or Bagley 35 (Minutes will depend on how Bagley picks up perimeter D), Jackson or Shumpert 10
Wing 2: Beli 25, Skal or ZBo 15 (depending on Skal’s strength)
Wing 3: Bogdan 15, Buddy 28, Shumpert 2
Ball handler: Fox 28, Bogdan 13,

Small Ball Line up:
Center: Giles 28, WCS 17
Power forward: Beli 28, Bagley 17
Small Forward: Bogdan 30, Shumpert or Jackson 15
Shooting Guard: Buddy 30, Shumpert 15
Point Guard: Fox 28, Yogi 15, Mason 2

Eh...they like Giles but they aren't playing him 30 minutes a night and i'd seriously doubt he even starts to begin the year. Jason March said recently the only goal for Harry in Summer League was to see him get through it healthy. That doesn't sound like a guy they're counting being a day-in day-out starter.

My hope is that they take it slow with him and sit him the majority of back-to-backs throughout the year. If they're counting on him being a long term piece of the future no need to overuse him in a year where you're not even expected to win 30 games.They've already used the slow approach sitting him for a year...no way they're just gonna run him ragged and risk injury.

I think we'll see him play in spurts this year and then when all the other bigs (koufos, randolph, wcs) come off the books next summer he'll take over as the full time starter, if healthy, in 2019-2020 (he'll be 3 full years removed from last surgery/injury at that point).

They need to show they have a future this year. Harry will play 28 min a game on avg.

[kingjawn100]

I think many of you are underestimating the esteem by which the organization holds Giles and he isn’t a rookie just coming in. I suspect Jeoger will have a big and small rotation he uses depending on match-ups.

Big line up:
Center: Giles 28, Koufos 15, WCS 2
Wing 1: WCS or Bagley 35 (Minutes will depend on how Bagley picks up perimeter D), Jackson or Shumpert 10
Wing 2: Beli 25, Skal or ZBo 15 (depending on Skal’s strength)
Wing 3: Bogdan 15, Buddy 28, Shumpert 2
Ball handler: Fox 28, Bogdan 13,

Small Ball Line up:
Center: Giles 28, WCS 17
Power forward: Beli 28, Bagley 17
Small Forward: Bogdan 30, Shumpert or Jackson 15
Shooting Guard: Buddy 30, Shumpert 15
Point Guard: Fox 28, Yogi 15, Mason 2

Eh...they like Giles but they aren't playing him 30 minutes a night and i'd seriously doubt he even starts to begin the year. Jason March said recently the only goal for Harry in Summer League was to see him get through it healthy. That doesn't sound like a guy they're counting being a day-in day-out starter.

My hope is that they take it slow with him and sit him the majority of back-to-backs throughout the year. If they're counting on him being a long term piece of the future no need to overuse him in a year where you're not even expected to win 30 games.They've already used the slow approach sitting him for a year...no way they're just gonna run him ragged and risk injury.

I think we'll see him play in spurts this year and then when all the other bigs (koufos, randolph, wcs) come off the books next summer he'll take over as the full time starter, if healthy, in 2019-2020 (he'll be 3 full years removed from last surgery/injury at that point).

They need to show they have a future this year. Harry will play 28 min a game on avg.

What's a better sign for the future than a big who plays an ultra-productive 18 mins a night his rookie year? People all offseason would ask "how good could Harry be with extended minutes next year?!". I'd take that over risking injury in a rebuilding year.

Just by comparison the kings leader in minutes played 28 per game last season. So you're saying you're ok with Harry potentially leading the team in minutes after not playing at all the prior season because of acl tears?

[KF10]

I don't know the minutes distribution (I haven't given much thought to it) but this is my preferred starting 5:

Fox
Bogi
Bjelica
Bagley
Giles

Do you guys think Bjelica can play the 3 full time? He seems like a 4 from the videos I've been watching. I could see him getting spot minutes at the 3 against bench units but I think he would get destroyed starting there.

I'd probably go with WCS and Jackson in the starting lineup over Bjelica and Giles. Crunch-time lineup would replace WCS with Hield and playing Jackson or Bjelica depending on who was hitting their shots that game.

A lot of Wolves fan say that Bjelica at the 3 had the most success for them.

[Sactowndog]

Eh...they like Giles but they aren't playing him 30 minutes a night and i'd seriously doubt he even starts to begin the year. Jason March said recently the only goal for Harry in Summer League was to see him get through it healthy. That doesn't sound like a guy they're counting being a day-in day-out starter.

My hope is that they take it slow with him and sit him the majority of back-to-backs throughout the year. If they're counting on him being a long term piece of the future no need to overuse him in a year where you're not even expected to win 30 games.They've already used the slow approach sitting him for a year...no way they're just gonna run him ragged and risk injury.

I think we'll see him play in spurts this year and then when all the other bigs (koufos, randolph, wcs) come off the books next summer he'll take over as the full time starter, if healthy, in 2019-2020 (he'll be 3 full years removed from last surgery/injury at that point).

They need to show they have a future this year. Harry will play 28 min a game on avg.

What's a better sign for the future than a big who plays an ultra-productive 18 mins a night his rookie year? People all offseason would ask "how good could Harry be with extended minutes next year?!". I'd take that over risking injury in a rebuilding year.

Just by comparison the kings leader in minutes played 28 per game last season. So you're saying you're ok with Harry potentially leading the team in minutes after not playing at all the prior season because of acl tears?

Harry was ready to go in Feb and has been working up to it. They are more likely to give him the second night of a back to back off.

Most starters play 30 plus minutes.

[kingjawn100]

They need to show they have a future this year. Harry will play 28 min a game on avg.

What's a better sign for the future than a big who plays an ultra-productive 18 mins a night his rookie year? People all offseason would ask "how good could Harry be with extended minutes next year?!". I'd take that over risking injury in a rebuilding year.

Just by comparison the kings leader in minutes played 28 per game last season. So you're saying you're ok with Harry potentially leading the team in minutes after not playing at all the prior season because of acl tears?

Harry was ready to go in Feb and has been working up to it. They are more likely to give him the second night of a back to back off.

Most starters play 30 plus minutes.

Playing 18-19 minutes per night might sound like a little but you can make a significant impact in that time while not putting yourself at significant risk for re-injury. Just by comparison...Kosta played 19 minutes a game last year and was probably one of the 3 best players on the team. Embiid's first year he wasn't logging heavy minutes but was still scoring 20 a night.

[sacking123]

I think many of you are underestimating the esteem by which the organization holds Giles and he isn’t a rookie just coming in. I suspect Jeoger will have a big and small rotation he uses depending on match-ups.

Big line up:
Center: Giles 28, Koufos 15, WCS 2
Wing 1: WCS or Bagley 35 (Minutes will depend on how Bagley picks up perimeter D), Jackson or Shumpert 10
Wing 2: Beli 25, Skal or ZBo 15 (depending on Skal’s strength)
Wing 3: Bogdan 15, Buddy 28, Shumpert 2
Ball handler: Fox 28, Bogdan 13,

Small Ball Line up:
Center: Giles 28, WCS 17
Power forward: Beli 28, Bagley 17
Small Forward: Bogdan 30, Shumpert or Jackson 15
Shooting Guard: Buddy 30, Shumpert 15
Point Guard: Fox 28, Yogi 15, Mason 2

Eh...they like Giles but they aren't playing him 30 minutes a night and i'd seriously doubt he even starts to begin the year. Jason March said recently the only goal for Harry in Summer League was to see him get through it healthy. That doesn't sound like a guy they're counting being a day-in day-out starter.

My hope is that they take it slow with him and sit him the majority of back-to-backs throughout the year. If they're counting on him being a long term piece of the future no need to overuse him in a year where you're not even expected to win 30 games.They've already used the slow approach sitting him for a year...no way they're just gonna run him ragged and risk injury.

I think we'll see him play in spurts this year and then when all the other bigs (koufos, randolph, wcs) come off the books next summer he'll take over as the full time starter, if healthy, in 2019-2020 (he'll be 3 full years removed from last surgery/injury at that point).

I agree with this. We simply can’t rush Giles this season. No B2B games no matter what IMO, pick the game we are more likely to win/match up/injuries, but you don’t put him out there too much this season in terms of games played. I would rather lower games played but higher MPG. Nothing unnecessary, about 24-25 depending on his practise workload.


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[dckingsfan]

With regards to C - I would be shocked if WCS isn't the starting C for two reasons. They want to see where he is at to see if they keep him or if they trade him. Giles isn't ready for anything over 15 mpg (I am guessing he will be sub 1000 minutes for the season) and they aren't going to start Koufos that this point.

Bagley is also a long way away from being a productive NBA player (I would say he would be in the sub 1000 minute range as well).

Count on Fox, Hield, Bogdanovic, Bjelica and WCS to be the starters and long starter minutes. Everything else will fall from there.

The questions are - who will get the backup PG minutes (probably a camp decision)? How many minutes will McLemore and Shumpert play? Will Jackson be ready to play or will McLemore and Shumpert eat up those minutes. And finally, does Labissiere actually show up this season or is he done.

[Sactowndog]

I think many of you are underestimating the esteem by which the organization holds Giles and he isn’t a rookie just coming in. I suspect Jeoger will have a big and small rotation he uses depending on match-ups.

Big line up:
Center: Giles 28, Koufos 15, WCS 2
Wing 1: WCS or Bagley 35 (Minutes will depend on how Bagley picks up perimeter D), Jackson or Shumpert 10
Wing 2: Beli 25, Skal or ZBo 15 (depending on Skal’s strength)
Wing 3: Bogdan 15, Buddy 28, Shumpert 2
Ball handler: Fox 28, Bogdan 13,

Small Ball Line up:
Center: Giles 28, WCS 17
Power forward: Beli 28, Bagley 17
Small Forward: Bogdan 30, Shumpert or Jackson 15
Shooting Guard: Buddy 30, Shumpert 15
Point Guard: Fox 28, Yogi 15, Mason 2

Eh...they like Giles but they aren't playing him 30 minutes a night and i'd seriously doubt he even starts to begin the year. Jason March said recently the only goal for Harry in Summer League was to see him get through it healthy. That doesn't sound like a guy they're counting being a day-in day-out starter.

My hope is that they take it slow with him and sit him the majority of back-to-backs throughout the year. If they're counting on him being a long term piece of the future no need to overuse him in a year where you're not even expected to win 30 games.They've already used the slow approach sitting him for a year...no way they're just gonna run him ragged and risk injury.

I think we'll see him play in spurts this year and then when all the other bigs (koufos, randolph, wcs) come off the books next summer he'll take over as the full time starter, if healthy, in 2019-2020 (he'll be 3 full years removed from last surgery/injury at that point).

I agree with this. We simply can’t rush Giles this season. No B2B games no matter what IMO, pick the game we are more likely to win/match up/injuries, but you don’t put him out there too much this season in terms of games played. I would rather lower games played but higher MPG. Nothing unnecessary, about 24-25 depending on his practise workload.


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This is where I’m at. When he plays he will be in the 23-25 minute range to get him really in the flow of the game. He will rest on back to back games where you have a higher risk of injury.

[Sactowndog]

What's a better sign for the future than a big who plays an ultra-productive 18 mins a night his rookie year? People all offseason would ask "how good could Harry be with extended minutes next year?!". I'd take that over risking injury in a rebuilding year.

Just by comparison the kings leader in minutes played 28 per game last season. So you're saying you're ok with Harry potentially leading the team in minutes after not playing at all the prior season because of acl tears?

Harry was ready to go in Feb and has been working up to it. They are more likely to give him the second night of a back to back off.

Most starters play 30 plus minutes.

Playing 18-19 minutes per night might sound like a little but you can make a significant impact in that time while not putting yourself at significant risk for re-injury. Just by comparison...Kosta played 19 minutes a game last year and was probably one of the 3 best players on the team. Embiid's first year he wasn't logging heavy minutes but was still scoring 20 a night.

Yeah I agree 28 will be more like 25. I still think he starts to build chemistry with Bogi and Beli. High IQ players play better when paired with other Hi-IQ players. The three of them together could be good

[bleeds_purple]

I don't know the minutes distribution (I haven't given much thought to it) but this is my preferred starting 5:

Fox
Bogi
Bjelica
Bagley
Giles

Do you guys think Bjelica can play the 3 full time? He seems like a 4 from the videos I've been watching. I could see him getting spot minutes at the 3 against bench units but I think he would get destroyed starting there.

I'd probably go with WCS and Jackson in the starting lineup over Bjelica and Giles. Crunch-time lineup would replace WCS with Hield and playing Jackson or Bjelica depending on who was hitting their shots that game.

A lot of Wolves fan say that Bjelica at the 3 had the most success for them.

https://old.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/90m482/kings_fan_coming_in_peace_question_about_bjelica/

The consensus here seemed to be he is better as a 4. I think his "success" as a 3 was simply due to Butler being out and him getting more playing time. That being said, he's not going to fit into the Thibs caveman style basketball. If you put him in a D'Antoni type offense he's going thrive and be a full time 4. He sounds like a Boris Diaw type.

I'm hoping we play as one of the fastest teams in the league. Our entire roster is setup to play that way. However, it goes against Joerger's history as a coach so I'm not really expecting that to happen. The main issue is to truly play that way Z-Bo and Koufos are going to have to be permanent DNP and those are Joerger guys so who knows if that will happen.

I expect a lot of posters on this board to be calling for Joerger's head around December.

[SacKingZZZ]

Do you guys think Bjelica can play the 3 full time? He seems like a 4 from the videos I've been watching. I could see him getting spot minutes at the 3 against bench units but I think he would get destroyed starting there.

I'd probably go with WCS and Jackson in the starting lineup over Bjelica and Giles. Crunch-time lineup would replace WCS with Hield and playing Jackson or Bjelica depending on who was hitting their shots that game.

A lot of Wolves fan say that Bjelica at the 3 had the most success for them.

https://old.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/90m482/kings_fan_coming_in_peace_question_about_bjelica/

The consensus here seemed to be he is better as a 4. I think his "success" as a 3 was simply due to Butler being out and him getting more playing time. That being said, he's not going to fit into the Thibs caveman style basketball. If you put him in a D'Antoni type offense he's going thrive and be a full time 4. He sounds like a Boris Diaw type.

I'm hoping we play as one of the fastest teams in the league. Our entire roster is setup to play that way. However, it goes against Joerger's history as a coach so I'm not really expecting that to happen. The main issue is to truly play that way Z-Bo and Koufos are going to have to be permanent DNP and those are Joerger guys so who knows if that will happen.

I expect a lot of posters on this board to be calling for Joerger's head around December.

That's the thing, the team is half built to play fast, and half built not to. Well lets say have of the rotation used last year isn't built that way. Honestly, the only young player I see having no competition for the starting gig is Fox. From there on I won't be surprised by any shenanigans.

My bet at the moment is Joerger will do whatever he wants and bring up such and such about practice, experience, yada yada yada. I would think looking at it the lineup will be Fox, Bogdan, Bjelica, Bagley, and Willie but who knows.

[bleeds_purple]

That's the thing, the team is half built to play fast, and half built not to. Well lets say have of the rotation used last year isn't built that way. Honestly, the only young player I see having no competition for the starting gig is Fox. From there on I won't be surprised by any shenanigans.

My bet at the moment is Joerger will do whatever he wants and bring up such and such about practice, experience, yada yada yada. I would think looking at it the lineup will be Fox, Bogdan, Bjelica, Bagley, and Willie but who knows.

If by half you mean Z-Bo and Koufos, then I agree. But after drafting WCS, Giles, and Bagley over the last few years, one would expect these players to no longer be in the rotation. We have some of the most athletic bigs in the whole league. We've also expended a lot of our lottery picks on bigs. Our best chance as a team is to play fast.