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Post#61 » by HMFFL » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:48 pm

dms269 wrote:It is getting pretty funny how all of these "reporters" are trying to spin Dennis as being this stud player by picking and choosing what stats. His ppg, assists, or percentage of pick and role. How about the fact that he can't shoot the ball from 3. Dennis can drive, but that is about it.


I noticed.
While Dennis could end up having a great career, I believe the drama was too much for us, and he's basically the Dwight Howard of point guards within our locker room, without the off the court legal issues. OKC will build him up to only move him before the trade deadline. I don't see them wanting any part of his contract beyond the upcoming season.
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Post#62 » by shakes0 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:30 pm

As a massive Trae fan I really like this trade for Atlanta. I hadn't watched a lot of your games, but the little I saw had me concerned about how well Trae and Dennis would mesh and if Dennis would be mature enough to take on a reduced mentoring role.

Also, I really like the addition of Justin Anderson to the Hawks. With all the young guys on the Hawks it can never hurt to get some hard nosed defensive oriented veterans to teach the young guys how to be successful NBA players.


Lin is also a nice pick up in that regard.
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Post#63 » by steady » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:33 pm

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This is situation where both teams win in trade. Like Lowe says the trade will be viewed as win or loss depending on how you see Schroeder. But how you see him has a lot to do with how he fits with your roster and plans

A happy DS playing on a contending team like he wanted, behind a PG that he reveres, in a role — bench leader and spark plug — that he has excelled in could be successful. Although OKC would still be significantly overpaying even in this case imo

A disgruntled DS who from what I read showed significant weaknesses as a leader and facilitator last year. On a team that has just drafted their hopefully franchise cornerstone PG of the future and is clearly in rebuild mode. Would have been worse than dead salary. He would have obstructed development of TY amd / or been locker room headache.



IMO There’s a bit of genuflecting going on in press to the greatness of Sam Presti , as there was in Lin trade to growing reputation of Sean Marks.

Schlenk is getting too little credit for how he has carefully and strategically pulled off a one two punch of trades that position the Hawks almost perfectly for what they want to achieve this season. Where winning is a relatively unimportant (if not minus) priority and developing youngsters, preserving cap space for future moves, and beginning to establish a good culture for team going forward are key priorities. The deals check all of these boxes and the timing and patience involved were particularly cool
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Post#64 » by Radioblacktive1 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:49 pm

So are we keeping Anderson? I remember actually wanting to draft him.
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Post#65 » by birdlives_ma » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:56 pm

Radioblacktive1 wrote:So are we keeping Anderson? I remember actually wanting to draft him.


Same, I wouldn’t mind hanging onto him for wing depth. His defense is legit


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Post#66 » by HMFFL » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:19 pm

shakes0 wrote:As a massive Trae fan I really like this trade for Atlanta. I hadn't watched a lot of your games, but the little I saw had me concerned about how well Trae and Dennis would mesh and if Dennis would be mature enough to take on a reduced mentoring role.

Also, I really like the addition of Justin Anderson to the Hawks. With all the young guys on the Hawks it can never hurt to get some hard nosed defensive oriented veterans to teach the young guys how to be successful NBA players.


Lin is also a nice pick up in that regard.



Trae comes off as more humble and grounded compared to Dennis. Trae will hopefully do well not getting involved in immature and ignorant things off the court like Dennis has a track record of doing. I have high hopes for Trae on the court and within the Atlanta community.
I like the addition of Justin Anderson too. I believe coach wanted him and he's not just a throw in and his future can be brighter with us.
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Post#67 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:45 pm

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Buyout is more like 27mil

Goddam, forgot it's one of the biggest scumbags in history! TS is too nice to him......NVM......so I guess we still have the exceptions to spend on one of those young FAs? And we do have more capspace next summer after this deal.


Melo would have never agreed to waive his NTC if the buyout for the full amount wasn't on the table.

Stupid Dolan and Phil, unbelievable how we end up being the terminal victims of their huge NTC blunder!

But otherwise, things worked out well with this deal, it's all good.
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Post#68 » by atlantabbq99 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:28 am

dms269 wrote:It is getting pretty funny how all of these "reporters" are trying to spin Dennis as being this stud player by picking and choosing what stats. His ppg, assists, or percentage of pick and role. How about the fact that he can't shoot the ball from 3. Dennis can drive, but that is about it.


Dennis was shooting 35% from three when he was SG and Teague was PG.
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Post#69 » by dms269 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:16 am

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dms269 wrote:It is getting pretty funny how all of these "reporters" are trying to spin Dennis as being this stud player by picking and choosing what stats. His ppg, assists, or percentage of pick and role. How about the fact that he can't shoot the ball from 3. Dennis can drive, but that is about it.


Dennis was shooting 35% from three when he was SG and Teague was PG.


They only played together, on the floor, for 41.6 minutes during the 15-16 season.
http://www.82games.com/1516/1516ATL2.HTM

In the 14-15 season (that you are suggesting), they played less than 29 minutes together.

Dennis' most recent season was his worst since his rookie year. Dennis can't defend (remember the Rondo comparisons) and hasn't really grew as an offensive player. His numbers read as a worse Elfrid Payton. He is talented, however he hasn't put in the effort to improve. Maybe we he will be better in OKC. But as long as he was on the Hawks he was going to be a chucker.
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Post#70 » by atlantabbq99 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:40 pm

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dms269 wrote:It is getting pretty funny how all of these "reporters" are trying to spin Dennis as being this stud player by picking and choosing what stats. His ppg, assists, or percentage of pick and role. How about the fact that he can't shoot the ball from 3. Dennis can drive, but that is about it.


Dennis was shooting 35% from three when he was SG and Teague was PG.


They only played together, on the floor, for 41.6 minutes during the 15-16 season.
http://www.82games.com/1516/1516ATL2.HTM

In the 14-15 season (that you are suggesting), they played less than 29 minutes together.

Dennis' most recent season was his worst since his rookie year. Dennis can't defend (remember the Rondo comparisons) and hasn't really grew as an offensive player. His numbers read as a worse Elfrid Payton. He is talented, however he hasn't put in the effort to improve. Maybe we he will be better in OKC. But as long as he was on the Hawks he was going to be a chucker.



Two-Point Guard Lineup Paying Dividends For Hawks. Hawks have looked for more ways to get Teague and Schroder on the court at the same time, giving the team more offensive options
Budenholzer saw in playing his point guards together was possibility, or more to the point, the chaos they could supply in being "disruptive." So when Teague and Schroder saw extensive time together behind closed doors at camp, Schroder remembers turning to the veteran and asking "When’s this going to happen in a real game?"
Budenholzer has paired them on the court together in heavy doses. Budenholzer sees it as an offensive diversification

https://www.nba.com/hawks/features/two-point-guard-lineup-paying-dividends-hawks#
https://www.foxsports.com/south/story/fast-leaves-them-furious-dennis-schroder-jeff-teague-combo-thriving-for-atlanta-hawks-032715
https://www.thenational.ae/sport/we-make-the-game-fast-jeff-teague-and-dennis-schroder-are-atlanta-s-driving-force-1.126240
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Post#71 » by td00 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:54 pm

Hawks will get that FRP in ‘22 as I expect the Thunder to continue to stay out of the lottery, but not be a true contender.

At the end of the day, an asset is an asset, and the Hawks have that. It doesn’t hurt getting a look at Justin Anderson as well.

Now if TS can move the contract of Plumlee.....
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Post#72 » by HMFFL » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:04 pm

OKC is projected over or under 48 wins.
I expect them to win over 48 games.

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Post#73 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:38 pm

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ChokeFasncists wrote:The big deals are probably gone. But the Thunder are still in tax hell. The Melo buyout is likely gonna be around 5-8 mil, I can see them dumping Singler or Brines right after it's done. Otherwise, lets say the Kings want to dump McLemore to make a run at Capela, that could do, something like that. If none of that happens, that money could be used to sign deals to guys like Alex Len, McCaw, Vonleh or Jordan Mickey.


Buyout is more like 27mil


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Skybox wrote:
Buyout is more like 27mil

Goddam, forgot it's one of the biggest scumbags in history! TS is too nice to him......NVM......so I guess we still have the exceptions to spend on one of those young FAs? And we do have more capspace next summer after this deal.


Melo would have never agreed to waive his NTC if the buyout for the full amount wasn't on the table.

:eek2: !!!

Melo does have a conscience afterall!

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250871/Carmelo-Anthony-Gives-Back-$24M-In-Buyout-With-Hawks

Too little too late tho, no use for that 2.4mil in terms of the cap.
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Post#74 » by enbiei » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:32 pm

Hello,

Just arrived to the forums, does Atlanta have to pay Carmelo's salary minus the 2.4 million?
Is not a lot of money just for protected 2022 first-round draft pick from the Oklahoma?
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Post#75 » by macd-gm » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:35 pm

enbiei wrote:Hello,

Just arrived to the forums, does Atlanta have to pay Carmelo's salary minus the 2.4 million?
Is not a lot of money just for protected 2022 first-round draft pick from the Oklahoma?


Yes. They have to pay Melo $25 million but Dennis was owed $45 million over the next 3 years.
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Post#76 » by enbiei » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:00 pm

Pay for play or pay for go out?
The relationship between Atlanta and Dennis must be very bad, he is only 24 years old and $45 million over 3 years I think is assumable.
Free way for Trae Young, sure he will have a better place to sleep than the Landry Fields sofa at the beginning.
Will Carmelo invest part of that money in Atlanta? Something useful for the community?
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Post#77 » by macd-gm » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:06 pm

enbiei wrote:Pay for play or pay for go out?
The relationship between Atlanta and Dennis must be very bad, he is only 24 years old and $45 million over 3 years I think is assumable.
Free way for Trae Young, sure he will have a better place to sleep than the Landry Fields sofa at the beginning.
Will Carmelo invest part of that money in Atlanta? Something useful for the community?


Dennis wasn't going to move the needle for Atlanta and with Trae in the picture Dennis isn't part of the future. His salary is a lot for his production. We aren't looking to win now so we'd much rather have the cap space next summer that this gives us than have Dennis eating up Trae's minutes or sitting on the bench sulking. It's the big payroll picture that matters, not an individual transaction.

Dennis will be a great backup PG for OKC. I don't want to pay a backup PG $15 million though.
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Post#78 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:53 pm

A year after trading for Dennis, the OKC fanbase seems to have a bit of heartburn and buyer's remorse.

Trade grades a year ago --> Here.

OKC Thunder: Grading the Dennis Schröder trade over a year later

How does the Dennis Schroder trade look after a little over a year? Did he have a successful season with the OKC Thunder? Let’s take a look.

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Ultimately the Thunder decided to do a similar deal, acquiring Dennis Schroder from the Atlanta Hawks instead. Many questions were raised after the deal. Was Schroder willing to come off the bench? Could Westbrook and Schroder play together given their lackluster perimeter shooting? Would this work after the Reggie Jackson experiment ultimately failed?

At the time, my timeline was filled with hyped Thunder fans who were not only excited to get off of Melo’s albatross contract but also because the OKC Thunder were bringing in a legitimate backup point guard, a position the Thunder have desperately needed ever since the departure of Reggie Jackson.

The Hawks, on the other hand, were doing what a lot of smart organizations have been doing recently. Taking on bad contracts for draft compensation has been a popular move for bad teams as of late. In addition to getting the protected pick, the Hawks also managed to shed Schroder’s long term contract (3 years, 46.5 million) in order to give Trae Young the starting point guard job as a rookie.

At the time, this trade seemed like a win-win. The Thunder were able to dump Melo’s 27 million dollars expiring deal and got (what was perceived to be) a good backup point guard who could limit the deficits the OKC Thunder were facing every time Westbrook was off the floor. The Hawks were able to get off their backup point guard long-term salary and got a 1st round pick.

While I can admit that when this trade went down, I was a fan. Looking back at it, this was not a home-run trade that most people were calling it at the time. If anything, I’d say that the Hawks won this trade pretty easily. In the end, while there may have not been many other options out there for GM Sam Presti, the Thunder got the short end of the stick on this deal.

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