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phnart wrote:Bender....Chriss....both total underachievers. I can't wait for the day when we have something better to discuss.
Blonde wrote:phnart wrote:Bender....Chriss....both total underachievers. I can't wait for the day when we have something better to discuss.
The good thing is that our success no longer depends on either of them panning out. If they do that’s great, but we aren’t relying on it like we were their first two years.
jcsunsfan wrote:Fo-Real wrote:Qwigglez wrote:I don't think comparing Bender to Len is even close to being the same thing. Len is a traditional center who has stone hands, while Bender is a versatile 7 footer, capable of handling the ball and shooting above average from 3-point range. I think under Koko, Bender will have a breakout year. I'm not talking some crazy eye-popping numbers, but just having a positive impact on the floor that translates to wins. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of 12 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3 assist, 38% from 3. He should be shooting at least 5 3's a game. Bender doesn't have to be a star, he just needs to be productive, and with the correct system I think he can contribute.
I think the comparisons were each was picked high ( Bender 4th and Len 5th), when you pick in that range you expect to get an impact player if not right away at least in the near future. Also the fact that after each failing to initially live up to even near expatiation, neither seem to progress at the rate that anyone would hope. Actually the comparison is not far off in the fact that just like Len, the Suns are in the position of it being questioned if the option will be picked up on another high yet disappointing draft pick. Much like I hoped Len would work out his demons, I also hope Bender will, If Koko can make that happen I would be thrilled. I also hoped coaches, styles, vets like Chandler would help Len every different year and that has left me holding the bag. Its not about positions played, its about being on the same trajectory so far as brief flashes of good followed with blinding lasting blasts of failure from each, and Len is gone because of it. Same for Chriss, I hope as I always do that Chriss and Bender get their **** together (Im higher on Chriss than others, think he winds up better, and has been since the begining since he started over him from jump), but I hope they both find their mojo. Each has had brief flashes of not suckage, hope those flashes can be extended by good coaching, teammates, and system.
You have to forget about where the player was drafted and determine if he is useful or not. A big man who shoots 37% from three is useful.
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Blonde wrote:phnart wrote:Bender....Chriss....both total underachievers. I can't wait for the day when we have something better to discuss.
The good thing is that our success no longer depends on either of them panning out. If they do that’s great, but we aren’t relying on it like we were their first two years.
I think that Dragan's progress remains hugely important to our being a top-level team. Marquese's development at this point is gravy - if he comes on strong at some point, we're simply stacked.
....... but all of this is contingent on the success of exactly one player - Ayton. If he hits, we will contend. If he does not, it will be a struggle.
If JJ figures it out and Ayton does as well, we'll be a terror. If Dragan joins that group, our reign over the west will be pure tyranny.
carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
NTB wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:NTB wrote:
Really happy for him. Great video to watch too.
I wonder if this is a two-way contract.
BobbieL wrote:that still leaves one player too many for the roster as I am not cutting Reed or Shaq for Canaan.
I don't mind if Canaan makes the roster but it probably means Chandler doesn't or Danielsof course
Jdiddy701 wrote:I really really really like Isaiah Canaan, i really really really like Shaq Harrison. I’m torn.
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ATTL wrote:Get rid of troy, we have reed and bridges to play backup 2 minutes.
Fo-Real wrote:ATTL wrote:Get rid of troy, we have reed and bridges to play backup 2 minutes.
Or Shaq can play 1 and 2 in this offense.
rcc8884 wrote:I would think we could trade Troy for a top 45 protected second rounder from a team like the Lakers. Am I wrong in this assumption? I just think his scoring of the bench is valuable
Saberestar wrote:rcc8884 wrote:I would think we could trade Troy for a top 45 protected second rounder from a team like the Lakers. Am I wrong in this assumption? I just think his scoring of the bench is valuable
We got him from Memphis next to a second round pick, so his value around the league was negative just a year ago.
I prefer Canaan or Harrison over Daniels, so I would be OK waive him.
Blonde wrote:Daniels value increased by virtue of him only having one year left on his contract. He could be attractive to contenders down the stretch for a late 2nd but more than likely he’ll get waived/bought out.