RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#22 2018-19

[Edrees]

No way simmons should go before Mitchell, what Mitchell did lest season was more impressive

Not really, Ben Simmon's season last year was historic and one of the greatest rookie seasons of all time. Mitchell's wasn't. What was impressive about Mitchell was his leadership and the trust Quinn Snyder has in him at such a young age.

Overall season yes, but if you just look at the 2nd half of the last season and playoffs, which is a much better indicator of who would be better this season for sophomores, Mitchell performed better. I'd easily take Mitchell in a playoff series over Simmons right now, since Simmons has a big weakness that defenses can lock in against.

[picc]

I honestly don't really see any evidence that Simmons is a better scorer or offensive player than a healthy Wall.

Simmons in the playoffs averaged 16ppg/9apg on 54% TS. Wall over his last 19 playoffs games (last two seasons) has averaged 26ppg/10apg on 54% TS.

Simmons in the regular season averaged 16ppg on .557 TS, Wall's last regular healthy season averaged 23ppg on 54% TS with 11apg.

Simmons certainly has a much stronger upside. But Wall has been pretty fantastic in his last two playoff runs. In his series against Atlanta he averaged 30/10 on 59% TS with 42 points on a game 6 closeout game on the road.

Wall although not as efficient as Simmons inside the arc, is at least a respectable spot-up 3-point shooter also.

He's not. Its not even that close. Wall is a much better option until Simmons proves otherwise, which he may do next year but hasn't yet.

Vote went to Horford, and will again next round after Simmons wins this.

[Harry Garris]

No way simmons should go before Mitchell, what Mitchell did lest season was more impressive

Not really, Ben Simmon's season last year was historic and one of the greatest rookie seasons of all time. Mitchell's wasn't. What was impressive about Mitchell was his leadership and the trust Quinn Snyder has in him at such a young age.

Overall season yes, but if you just look at the 2nd half of the last season and playoffs, which is a much better indicator of who would be better this season for sophomores, Mitchell performed better. I'd easily take Mitchell in a playoff series over Simmons right now, since Simmons has a big weakness that defenses can lock in against.

I wouldn't be sure about that. Simmons caught all the heat for his bad second round performance because of the 1 really awful game, but he still but up good numbers in the other 5 games vs the Celtics, and it's important to remember Mitchell struggled in his second round series too.

[Slim Charlez]

How is DeRozan there but no Kyle Anderson? The brilliant minds of Real gm have sworn that he's the better player? Why doesnt this poll reflect that? Analytics tho.

[Luigi]

This deep into the voting, I think we're seeing more fanbase effect than we saw earlier in the voting.

It's hard to deny top 10 players their spots, but when you're into the 20s, it's easy to take the homer pick.

[iggymcfrack]

How is DeRozan there but no Kyle Anderson? The brilliant minds of Real gm have sworn that he's the better player? Why doesnt this poll reflect that? Analytics tho.

Derozan first entered the poll at #8. That was before people were really doing nominations. In fact, not one person in the thread even suggested Derozan the previous thread. Filthadelphia just threw him in because he thought he might get some interest. He was in the poll before Gobert, Lillard, or Draymond who were all voted in long ago. He's now up from 1% of the vote in the vote for #8 all the way to 4% of the vote at #22. I don't think this says anything about which players he's likely to be voted ahead of. If someone continued the project all the way to #50 Derozan would likely get voted in ahead of Slo-Mo, but I don't think either one of them is actually likely to be selected.

[iggymcfrack]

Also, we could probably move on to #23 whenever. Simmons has this one on lock.

[mirrornick]

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

[iggymcfrack]

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

Much more intelligently than through the national media, I agree! We really do have a great forum here! Sometimes the Player Comparison forum gets a little snobbish and likes to act like the General Board is all casual fans, but I think this exercise shows that clearly isn’t the case. We took his poor defense into account, we took his poor playoff performances into account, we took his incredibly consistent negative impact stats into account and came to a much fairer ranking than almost any other public poll. Way to go RealGM!!!

[mirrornick]

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

Much more intelligently than through the national media, I agree! We really do have a great forum here! Sometimes the Player Comparison forum gets a little snobbish and likes to act like the General Board is all casual fans, but I think this exercise shows that clearly isn’t the case. We took his poor defense into account, we took his poor playoff performances into account, we took his incredibly consistent negative impact stats into account and came to a much fairer ranking than almost any other public poll. Way to go RealGM!!!

#proveEM

[XxIronChainzxX]

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

And Steph Curry made all nba 3rd team. Think about that for a second. DD had arguably his best regular season (I think there's a case he was better in 2016-2017) but his peak should have been 3rd team. Unless you think he deserved a spot over Westbrook, Harden or Dame this year.

[mirrornick]

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

And Steph Curry made all nba 3rd team. Think about that for a second.

He played 50 games, what is there to think about? Most players wouldn't even be eligible.

[XxIronChainzxX]

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

And Steph Curry made all nba 3rd team. Think about that for a second.

He played 50 games, what is there to think about? Most players wouldn't even be eligible.

Steph Curry is on a different level. 50 games of Steph would easily be worth 82 of DD. But that was my point (see the edit). My point was that that slot on the 2nd team is a fluke due to an injury to a superior player.

[mirrornick]

And Steph Curry made all nba 3rd team. Think about that for a second.

He played 50 games, what is there to think about? Most players wouldn't even be eligible.

Steph Curry is on a different level. 50 games of Steph would easily be worth 82 of DD. But that was my point (see the edit). My point was that that slot on the 2nd team is a fluke due to an injury to a superior player.

I agree

[Sixerscan]

Someone who watched the playoffs a couple months ago needs to explain how Ben Simmons is a better NBA basketball player than Al Horford. (Or I mean, I'd be interested to hear an explanation.)

Better numbers and has a much bigger responsibility on offense. Horford is really good on defense but a lot of why Horford is good is making smart basketball plays, not really talent. Once Ben Simmons gets more experience and learns the game along with how talented he is he'll be one of the best in the league.

Well sure, once Ben becomes a better player he will be a better player. But there's no evidence that has happened yet and I thought this poll was about the present.

I'm just thinking... after that playoff series I wrote a comment about how the young C's had outplayed the young Sixers, and a bunch of Sixers fans told me that wasn't true and the only reason the C's won was because the best player in the series was Al Horford. Was even told without Horford the Sixers would have won the series in 5 games.

So now I'm sitting here like, uhh, Embiid was chosen in the poll at #11, and Ben is about to be chosen at #22. Meanwhile the guy who just curb stomped their entire team on both ends of the floor and was the 2nd best player in the entire East Playoffs after Lebron is over here not being picked. There is no planet on which Ben Simmons is currently a better basketball player than Horford.

Horford had a few good games, also had several games where he didn't do much.

At this point in his career Horford isn't the kind of guy that can be counted on to be an elite player every night. And luckily he's on a team where he doesn't have to be. He's not a top 25 player though.

[iggymcfrack]

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

And Steph Curry made all nba 3rd team. Think about that for a second. DD had arguably his best regular season (I think there's a case he was better in 2016-2017) but his peak should have been 3rd team. Unless you think he deserved a spot over Westbrook, Harden or Dame this year.

Harden, Dipo, Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Jimmy Buckets, Dame, Lowry, Kemba, and PG13 were all much more deserving for the first 5 all-NBA teams even just looking at regular season.

[XxIronChainzxX]

Better numbers and has a much bigger responsibility on offense. Horford is really good on defense but a lot of why Horford is good is making smart basketball plays, not really talent. Once Ben Simmons gets more experience and learns the game along with how talented he is he'll be one of the best in the league.

Well sure, once Ben becomes a better player he will be a better player. But there's no evidence that has happened yet and I thought this poll was about the present.

I'm just thinking... after that playoff series I wrote a comment about how the young C's had outplayed the young Sixers, and a bunch of Sixers fans told me that wasn't true and the only reason the C's won was because the best player in the series was Al Horford. Was even told without Horford the Sixers would have won the series in 5 games.

So now I'm sitting here like, uhh, Embiid was chosen in the poll at #11, and Ben is about to be chosen at #22. Meanwhile the guy who just curb stomped their entire team on both ends of the floor and was the 2nd best player in the entire East Playoffs after Lebron is over here not being picked. There is no planet on which Ben Simmons is currently a better basketball player than Horford.

Horford had a few good games, also had several games where he didn't do much.

At this point in his career Horford isn't the kind of guy that can be counted on to be an elite player every night. And luckily he's on a team where he doesn't have to be. He's not a top 25 player though.

I think that once you get outside of the top 20, you're looking at players who have notable flaws in their games, e.g., young guys with holes in their games you're thinking will improve vs. old guys on the downswing, etc.

DD made 2nd all nba team , player of the month, multiple time player of the week. Yeah goes to show how opinions are formed around here.

smh

And Steph Curry made all nba 3rd team. Think about that for a second. DD had arguably his best regular season (I think there's a case he was better in 2016-2017) but his peak should have been 3rd team. Unless you think he deserved a spot over Westbrook, Harden or Dame this year.

Harden, Dipo, Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Jimmy Buckets, Dame, Lowry, Kemba, and PG13 were all much more deserving for the first 5 all-NBA teams even just looking at regular season.

I'm not saying I think DD should have been third team. I'm just saying when you look at only the roster of players who made an all-NBA team and no one else, DD doesn't have a case for 3rd team.

[Alonzo_Morning]

Nominating Jaylen Brown

Spoiler:

he's better than Tatum don't @ me

[Slim Charlez]

How is DeRozan there but no Kyle Anderson? The brilliant minds of Real gm have sworn that he's the better player? Why doesnt this poll reflect that? Analytics tho.

Derozan first entered the poll at #8. That was before people were really doing nominations. In fact, not one person in the thread even suggested Derozan the previous thread. Filthadelphia just threw him in because he thought he might get some interest. He was in the poll before Gobert, Lillard, or Draymond who were all voted in long ago. He's now up from 1% of the vote in the vote for #8 all the way to 4% of the vote at #22. I don't think this says anything about which players he's likely to be voted ahead of. If someone continued the project all the way to #50 Derozan would likely get voted in ahead of Slo-Mo, but I don't think either one of them is actually likely to be selected.

Somebody on another thread had them as both being about equal, that speaks volumes of how good this place is at evaluating talent.

[XxIronChainzxX]

How is DeRozan there but no Kyle Anderson? The brilliant minds of Real gm have sworn that he's the better player? Why doesnt this poll reflect that? Analytics tho.

Derozan first entered the poll at #8. That was before people were really doing nominations. In fact, not one person in the thread even suggested Derozan the previous thread. Filthadelphia just threw him in because he thought he might get some interest. He was in the poll before Gobert, Lillard, or Draymond who were all voted in long ago. He's now up from 1% of the vote in the vote for #8 all the way to 4% of the vote at #22. I don't think this says anything about which players he's likely to be voted ahead of. If someone continued the project all the way to #50 Derozan would likely get voted in ahead of Slo-Mo, but I don't think either one of them is actually likely to be selected.

Somebody on another thread had them as both being about equal, that speaks volumes of how good this place is at evaluating talent.

Anderson was arguably the better player at the same age.

But I wouldn't just take some random's opinion on stuff, that's not really a measure of how good realgm is relative to [something]. It's like people who compare Pascal Siakam to Draymond Green, to use another Raptor's example.