Political Roundtable Part XXII

[Jamaaliver]

like, it's not like Assad just decided to gas his citizens, and then they had a civil war.

Assad was/is a dictator, was losing a 3-way civil war, desperate, and had/has Russian backing even if he did use chemical weapons.

The only real deterrent other than moral sensibilities, was Western retaliation.

I'm honestly not even sure where this conversation is going...differentiating murder and bombings from chemical attacks?


The Syrian Army aren't liberators. They're as much terrorists as the insurgents they feign to be fighting against, and their actions create MORE terrorists as young men and women turn against the Syrian government year after year.


MY initial contribution to the topic:

The problem is that the current Syrian Government are also terrorists. They've bombed, gassed, murdered their own citizens for over a decade.

Using terms like liberated are...complicated.

[Jamaaliver]

But seriously, ummmm...

Trump attack in 2017

Last year on April 6, Trump ordered an attack on the Shayrat air base in central Syria. It was allegedly the base from which planes had launched chemical attacks on rebel-held areas.


The chemical attack

The U.S. strike was in response to a chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun, a rebel-held town in northeastern Syria just two days before, on April 4, 2017.

More than 80 people were killed, and images of adults gasping for air and babies on respirators drew world outrage.

The U.N.-backed Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons concluded in June 2017 that sarin was the nerve agent used in the attack.

Several months later (and long after the U.S. missile strike), a U.N. panel concluded it was confident the Syrian government had carried out the attack.

NPR

[Jamaaliver]

Sounds like slowly, but surely...prominent folks on the right are starting to come their senses. Instead of picking a side and attacking an accuser...shut up and listen, investigate, search for the truth.

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[TGW]

So amuse me...name one reason that Assad has to gas his own people? It's completely nonsensical to do something like that. So explain that to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/26/syria-gas-attack-bashar-al-assad-un-tillerson

For the same reason he has to bomb, murder and rape his own citizens...He's a dictator who'll do anything to hold onto power.

Any reasonable leader who actually cared about his people would have stepped down years ago to end this senseless war and secure outside assistance in fighting the....terrorists plaguing his country.

Dude that explanation makes no sense whatsoever. If he wants to keep power, gassing his own people would be utterly insane for the mere fact that he knows that the western powers are looking for any reason to replace him.

You know who would gas Syrians? American backed, Israel backed, Saudi backed AL QUAIDA. Yea, the terrorists that Assad is fighting.

[Jamaaliver]

Dude that explanation makes no sense whatsoever. If he wants to keep power, gassing his own people would be utterly insane for the mere fact that he knows that the western powers are looking for any reason to replace him.

You know who would gas Syrians? American backed, Israel backed, Saudi backed AL QUAIDA. Yea, the terrorists that Assad is fighting.

Don't defend the President of Syria. He's a war criminal. He's killed his own citizens in a desperate bid to remain in power.

When Syrians rose up as part of the wave of Arab Spring protests against Middle East dictators in 2011, Assad quickly decided to emulate his father, Hafez, and try to tamp down the protests through the use of force. The goal was to turn the broad-based protest movement from a political struggle — which Assad’s unpopular regime was bound to lose — into a military one, where his control of the army meant he might be able to kill his way to victory.

The grim way of implementing this plan, slaughtering protestors en masse until they were forced to pick up arms in self-defense, got Assad the war he wanted.

"It was very much a strategic decision that the regime made, to militarize the conflict right away," Glenn Robinson, an associate professor at the Naval Postgraduate School, told me in an interview. "I think in their mind, and correctly, if this becomes a political battle where populations matter, the regime probably only has support of a third of the country. ... If this becomes a political contestation, the opposition has the numbers."

[TGW]

Dude that explanation makes no sense whatsoever. If he wants to keep power, gassing his own people would be utterly insane for the mere fact that he knows that the western powers are looking for any reason to replace him.

You know who would gas Syrians? American backed, Israel backed, Saudi backed AL QUAIDA. Yea, the terrorists that Assad is fighting.

Don't defend the President of Syria. He's a war criminal. He's killed his own citizens in a desperate bid to remain in power.

When Syrians rose up as part of the wave of Arab Spring protests against Middle East dictators in 2011, Assad quickly decided to emulate his father, Hafez, and try to tamp down the protests through the use of force. The goal was to turn the broad-based protest movement from a political struggle — which Assad’s unpopular regime was bound to lose — into a military one, where his control of the army meant he might be able to kill his way to victory.

The grim way of implementing this plan, slaughtering protestors en masse until they were forced to pick up arms in self-defense, got Assad the war he wanted.

"It was very much a strategic decision that the regime made, to militarize the conflict right away," Glenn Robinson, an associate professor at the Naval Postgraduate School, told me in an interview. "I think in their mind, and correctly, if this becomes a political battle where populations matter, the regime probably only has support of a third of the country. ... If this becomes a political contestation, the opposition has the numbers."

No one is defending Assad treatment of his people. I said that he didn't use chemical weapons to gas his own people. That is a lie.

http://archive.is/pYxDA

why is Mattis asking for proof then?

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/04/12/mattis-us-wants-proof-striking-syria-chemical-attack.html

[Jamaaliver]

No one is defending Assad treatment of his people. I said that he didn't use chemical weapons to gas his own people. That is a lie.

http://archive.is/pYxDA

It's been a long time since I was this disappointed in another individual.

Daily Mail in £100,000-plus payout over Syrian chemical weapons story

Libel damages paid to defence company for article wrongly linking two executives with sale of weapons to Syria


The Daily Mail has apologised and paid £110,000 in libel damages to a London defence firm it wrongly linked with an alleged chemical weapons plot in Syria.

Britam Defence Limited complained that an article on the Daily Mail's website Mail Online falsely accused two of its executives of conspiring in a "nefarious and illegal plot" in the Middle Eastern state "for enormous financial reward".

The article quoted one email supposedly sent between two executives at the company which claimed to show that Britam had agreed to supply chemical weapons to Homs for use in an attack. However, the emails turned out to be forged.

The Guardian


That took me 90 seconds to debunk.

Don't peddle conspiracy theories, man. Be smarter.

I have more faith in the United Nations ins 2018 than some debunked conspiracy from 5 years ago that had to be removed form the internet for legal reasons.



In the age of knowledge...ignorance abounds. Cheese and friggin' rice, man.

[queridiculo]

No one is defending Assad treatment of his people. I said that he didn't use chemical weapons to gas his own people. That is a lie.

http://archive.is/pYxDA

why is Mattis asking for proof then?

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/04/12/mattis-us-wants-proof-striking-syria-chemical-attack.html

Your article is wholly based on an email obtained by infowars, you don't find that a bit problematic?

Also interesting that you're not linking to the original article, which has since been pulled, but instead to a cached version of it.

https://truthnewsinternational.wordpress.com/tag/britam/

[TGW]

Here is another article then:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/world/middleeast/raqqa-syria-white-phosphorus.html

[queridiculo]

Here is another article then:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/world/middleeast/raqqa-syria-white-phosphorus.html

Using phosphorus in weapons is a far cry from a CIA led false flag operation to justify regime change in Syria.

It is not illegal under international law for militaries to possess and use white phosphorus, and the United States’ and other Western militaries say they use it mainly to create smoke screens to hide troop movements. But it can also be used as an incendiary weapon, setting very hot fires. And like thermite and napalm, it is proscribed in civilian areas by international law.

It's right there in the article, do you understand the difference between chemical weapons and what phosphorus is and could be used for?

It's one thing to be skeptical of the chemical weapons use over there in light of the absence of concrete evidence, but a completely different thing to venture into tin foil hat lala land.

[Jamaaliver]

New York Times -- June 2018

Horrific Details on Syria Chemical Attacks Left Out, for Now, From U.N. Report

At least twice this year, the Syrian military fired Iranian-made artillery shells filled with a chlorine-like substance that oozed poison slowly, giving victims just a few minutes to escape.

In another attack, Syrian forces dropped a chemical bomb on the top-floor balcony of an apartment building, killing 49 people, including 11 children. Their skin turned blue.

These details and others blaming Syria for atrocities in eastern Ghouta, a suburb of Damascus, were uncovered by a United Nations commission investigating and documenting possible war crimes in the seven-year-old conflict.

The commission’s report examined how the government of President Bashar al-Assad recaptured eastern Ghouta, the rebel stronghold near the capital, in the first four months of 2018. Mr. Assad’s forces laid siege to the area, using bombardments, mass starvation and chemical weapons.

The materials in the leaked draft paint a far more frightening picture of chemical weapons use in eastern Ghouta than had been previously reported. And they assert without qualification that Syrian forces and their allies were responsible, rebutting repeated denials by Mr. Assad’s government and his backers in Russia and Iran.

[pancakes3]

So amuse me...name one reason that Assad has to gas his own people? It's completely nonsensical to do something like that. So explain that to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/26/syria-gas-attack-bashar-al-assad-un-tillerson

For the same reason he has to bomb, murder and rape his own citizens...He's a dictator who'll do anything to hold onto power.

Any reasonable leader who actually cared about his people would have stepped down years ago to end this senseless war and secure outside assistance in fighting the....terrorists plaguing his country.

Dude that explanation makes no sense whatsoever. If he wants to keep power, gassing his own people would be utterly insane for the mere fact that he knows that the western powers are looking for any reason to replace him.

You know who would gas Syrians? American backed, Israel backed, Saudi backed AL QUAIDA. Yea, the terrorists that Assad is fighting.

just to spell it out again: it's not like Assad just decided to gas his citizens out of nowhere. he's fighting a civil war that's been going on since 2011.

the three sides are Assad, as backed by Russia, rebel forces resulting from the Arab Spring that the US, UK, and other western powers are backing, and the third is ISIS/ISIL.

As to whether Assad would do it or not? Assad was/is a dictator, was/is losing a 3-way civil war, desperate, and had/has Russian backing even if he did use chemical weapons.

He also expected minimal pushback from the US for using those weapons (previous sanctions included the removal of chemicals that could be used for chem warfare, and the latest action was the Trump-ordered missile strikes that took out airfields) so it does make sense for him to use chemical weapons.

[Ruzious]

This isn't a politically correct thing to say, but after listening to what Cavanaugh said today... Is he even a guy? That was such an over-the-top wussified performance - a complete embarrassment for a SCOTUS candidate.

[gtn130]

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The statement was not notarized.

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I'll also point out several aspects that don't pass the smell test.

* Swetnik attended 10 of these rape parties where the men would line up along a bedroom hallway and await their turn. Either she was raped in one of her earlier appearances and continued to come back; or she attended 9 rape parties where other women got raped and didn't stop attending until she was the one raped.
* Swetnik graduated high school 3 years before Kavanaugh. So she was a college-aged adult attending gang rape parties with high school-aged minors. Most college-aged women don't party with rapey high schoolers.
* She used Michael Avenatti of all people as her attorney.
* The story was released on the eve of the Kavanaugh hearing so that there was no time to investigate. A clear attempt to delay further in the hopes of postponing the vote until after the Midterms.

Finally, her statement only says that corroborating witness exist that will attest that she claimed she was raped shortly afterwards. They do not corroborate the act itself, nor that Kavanaugh was there. We have no evidence other than the word of Ms. Swetnik, that Kavanaugh was actually in attendance.

[JWizmentality]

Graham can spare me his righteous indignation. What a fraud.

[GhostofChenier]

LOLz!!!!!! This man is too nice. He i struth but he is tooooooo weak. He need fight more.

He live life where he think truth wins, strong defend wins. As 3rd world life u only win when u fight offese very strong and crush lies b4 they spread.

Ur politics r now like ghana or belarus. lol. u r all response. pathetic people.

next is you.

[Pointgod]

LOLz!!!!!! This man is too nice. He i struth but he is tooooooo weak. He need fight more.

He live life where he think truth wins, strong defend wins. As 3rd world life u only win when u fight offese very strong and crush lies b4 they spread.

Ur politics r now like ghana or belarus. lol. u r all response. pathetic people.

next is you.

Oh back to incoherent trolling. All that's missing is idiotic memes

[GhostofChenier]

He neeez trial by combat lol

[montestewart]

He neeez trial by combat lol

A Supreme Court nominee walks into a bar and yells, "I can pin any 15-year-old girl in here!" That kind of tough!

[stilldropin20]

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