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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1761 » by UCF » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:30 pm

EAS Law wrote:I find it mildly interesting that despite one and a half years undefeated, every week, we are in here talking about something negative with respect to the UCF program, namely, why they aren’t favorites for the national championship and how they allegedly never will be, rather than the fact that they continue to win games. I think maybe the incessant need to find negativity with our teams has spilled over to this topic as well.


I think our fans have grown spoiled a bit. We’re ranked 9/10 in October and the argument here is we’re sacrificing our future claiming a championship :lol: This year I feel the bias has been in our favor with the exception of this last week. I do feel we’ve hit the ceiling a bit for where they are comfortable ranking us this early.

Our basketball team this year should upend the status quo as well.

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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1762 » by PennytoShaq » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:04 pm

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EAS Law wrote:I find it mildly interesting that despite one and a half years undefeated, every week, we are in here talking about something negative with respect to the UCF program, namely, why they aren’t favorites for the national championship and how they allegedly never will be, rather than the fact that they continue to win games. I think maybe the incessant need to find negativity with our teams has spilled over to this topic as well.


I think our fans have grown spoiled a bit. We’re ranked 9/10 in October and the argument here is we’re sacrificing our future claiming a championship :lol: This year I feel the bias has been in our favor with the exception of this last week. I do feel we’ve hit the ceiling a bit for where they are comfortable ranking us this early.

Our basketball team this year should upend the status quo as well.

These are amazing times to be a knight fan.


I think more arguments than that have been made, but you don’t seem like you want to have a rationale discussion and instead drive the hype machine.

If I read your prior post correctly, you believe that UCF can beat Alabama or OSU. I have plenty of UCF alumni friends who would openly scoff at that opinion.

It’s impossible to have a normal discussion if that’s where you are coming from.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1763 » by Knightro » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:23 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:I think more arguments than that have been made, but you don’t seem like you want to have a rationale discussion and instead drive the hype machine.

If I read your prior post correctly, you believe that UCF can beat Alabama or OSU. I have plenty of UCF alumni friends who would openly scoff at that opinion.

It’s impossible to have a normal discussion if that’s where you are coming from.


I think UCF could beat a lot of P5 teams this year and could have beat a lot of them last year.

I don't think Alabama is one of them.

The Tide would justifiably be large favorites in that hypothetical matchup.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1764 » by PennytoShaq » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:53 pm

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PennytoShaq wrote:I think more arguments than that have been made, but you don’t seem like you want to have a rationale discussion and instead drive the hype machine.

If I read your prior post correctly, you believe that UCF can beat Alabama or OSU. I have plenty of UCF alumni friends who would openly scoff at that opinion.

It’s impossible to have a normal discussion if that’s where you are coming from.


I think UCF could beat a lot of P5 teams this year and could have beat a lot of them last year.

I don't think Alabama is one of them.

The Tide would justifiably be large favorites in that hypothetical matchup.


Ok, I can get on board with that.

My personal opinion is the teams ahead of UCF besides a few whom I personally question, all derserve to be there. A lot of this will shake out when UCF gets to play some good schools in the next few weeks.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1765 » by UCF » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:11 pm

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UCF wrote:
EAS Law wrote:I find it mildly interesting that despite one and a half years undefeated, every week, we are in here talking about something negative with respect to the UCF program, namely, why they aren’t favorites for the national championship and how they allegedly never will be, rather than the fact that they continue to win games. I think maybe the incessant need to find negativity with our teams has spilled over to this topic as well.


I think our fans have grown spoiled a bit. We’re ranked 9/10 in October and the argument here is we’re sacrificing our future claiming a championship :lol: This year I feel the bias has been in our favor with the exception of this last week. I do feel we’ve hit the ceiling a bit for where they are comfortable ranking us this early.

Our basketball team this year should upend the status quo as well.

These are amazing times to be a knight fan.


I think more arguments than that have been made, but you don’t seem like you want to have a rationale discussion and instead drive the hype machine.

If I read your prior post correctly, you believe that UCF can beat Alabama or OSU. I have plenty of UCF alumni friends who would openly scoff at that opinion.

It’s impossible to have a normal discussion if that’s where you are coming from.


Can’t beat them if they won’t let us play them. Alabama won’t play a road game if it isn’t a massive payday. The playoff is a joke because 80% or more of FBS teams are excluded before the season starts. We’re just expected to take a check and shut up.

“Hype machine “is funny way to describe my comments. I do think head to head we’d probably lose to Alabama. 99% of teams would. We did beat the team that beat them last year, that counts for something and having a chance. We have a good team. National champion this year? Probably not but there’s no way to know if we can’t play the game.

Also, for the record we’re 1-0 vs Alabama all time :)
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1766 » by UCF » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:14 pm

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Knightro wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:I think more arguments than that have been made, but you don’t seem like you want to have a rationale discussion and instead drive the hype machine.

If I read your prior post correctly, you believe that UCF can beat Alabama or OSU. I have plenty of UCF alumni friends who would openly scoff at that opinion.

It’s impossible to have a normal discussion if that’s where you are coming from.


I think UCF could beat a lot of P5 teams this year and could have beat a lot of them last year.

I don't think Alabama is one of them.

The Tide would justifiably be large favorites in that hypothetical matchup.


Ok, I can get on board with that.

My personal opinion is the teams ahead of UCF besides a few whom I personally question, all derserve to be there. A lot of this will shake out when UCF gets to play some good schools in the next few weeks.


Agreed. I just got a little annoyed this week how ND got credit to move up for barely beating Pitt and we blew them out and didn’t move at all because of our close win.

With our remaining schedule I don’t think we can go under #8 because of the “strength of schedule” that will be used to keep teams above us.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1767 » by UCF » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:42 pm

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This Vegas sports book has us with 10th best odds to win the title. Strange but welcome change in perception considering how far this program has come the last 10 years.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1768 » by drsd » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:40 pm

UCF wrote:Strange but welcome change in perception considering how far this program has come the last 10 years.


The 2014 Knights went 9-4 with a St. Petersburg Bowl loss
The 2013 Knights went 12-1 with a Fiesta Bowl Win
The 2012 Knights went 10-4 with a Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl Win

I really do not think fans should ignore this 3-year run to only focus on the horrendous 2015 season.

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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1769 » by YosemiteSam » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:49 pm

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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1770 » by UCF » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:55 pm

drsd wrote:
UCF wrote:Strange but welcome change in perception considering how far this program has come the last 10 years.


The 2014 Knights went 9-4 with a St. Petersburg Bowl loss
The 2013 Knights went 12-1 with a Fiesta Bowl Win
The 2012 Knights went 10-4 with a Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl Win

I really do not think fans should ignore this 3-year run to only focus on the horrendous 2015 season.

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I certainly don’t. I have had season tickets since GOL’s first season and certainly don’t forget what we’ve accomplished. Our liberty bowl victory over Georgia to me was the turning point in expectations for me.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1771 » by craig01 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:37 am

Most true Ucf fans don't overlook those years.

I've been a season ticket holder since 2000 and have witnessed all of the growth, sleeping giant claims, missed opportunities, a few terrible years, major controversies, and some great success, etc.

There have been multiple seasons with double digit wins, top 25 final rankings, top ten final rankings, two NY6 bowl victories, numerous conference championships, and an undefeated season.

There are many dozens of D1 schools that will never make any of these claims.

There are many P5 teams that will never make any of these claims.

Yeah, this school has come a long way.....
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1772 » by UCF » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:59 pm

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I can only imagine how early they got to campus to get that close lol.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1773 » by PrimeThyme » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:19 pm

What's up with Milton not starting?
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1774 » by UCF » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:57 am

He’s able to play but banged up. Bye week next week allows him two weeks rest.
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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1775 » by UCF » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:19 am

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Re: # 9 UCF [7-0]: bye week 

Post#1776 » by drsd » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:04 am

Some early thoughts:

1) the press narrative that UCF was lucky to get a fumble recover has only partial merit to me. Yes if ECU had scored the game would have been UCF-13 / ECU-10, but the Knights wore down the Pirates in the second half and that was always going to be true. What is good from a polling perspective is that UCF covered the 21-point spread. Pollsters probably care about that.

2) From a polling perspective, the OSU loss is interesting but not yet decisive for the Knights playoff hopes. Yes Michigan / OSU to close out the Big-ten makes one of these two teams a 2-loss club. At this point UCF needs Wisconsin to win the Big10 title to close out the B10 from the playoffs entirely.

3) The LSU win is meaningless in that they play Alabama next week effectively eliminating one of those two teams. UCF would be best served if Alabama wins out, including both a LSU win and a title win over Kentucky/Florida/Georgia. That essentially ensures that the SEC will only get one team in the playoffs: Alabama.

4) Washington beating Oregon is huge for UCF. The Pac10 basically has eliminated itself from playoff participation.

5) It is best if Clemson just keeps winning to make the ACC a one-team playoff participant.

6) I cannot see more than one B12 team in the playoffs.

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In conclusion, as the season is playing out, it looks probable that the SEC and the ACC get only a single team in the playoffs. The B10 either sneaks in Michigan/OSU, but even that is in doubt. The P10 looks out of the playoffs. The B12 looks to have one team in. Notre Dame controls its own destiny.

So right now I see UCF as 5th in the playoff seedings if they win out.
1) Alabama/LSU
2) Clemson
3) Notre Dame
4) Michigan/OSU
5) Texas
6) UCF

edit: I left out Notre Dame, meaning the Knights is 6th.

And to restate, the B10 slot is the most obtainable if Wisconsin beats the winner of the Michigan/OSU winner.


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It is great UCF has a bye week before playing a hyped Temple, who just took out Cincy. Interesting here is that the Owls also have a bye week so this home game for Orlando is actually truly fair. Assuming Milton is mostly better, this balances out a Temple team that is a lot better than their record, as the team is getting stronger as the season progresses.
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Re: # 9 UCF [7-0]: bye week 

Post#1777 » by drsd » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:52 am

UCF needs two of these three things to happen:
Notre Dame to falter. The B12 to self-eliminate. The B10 to self-eliminate.


As the Knights profit from an upset above them, here are the tough games on the schedules to consider. Only no-loss and one-loss teams considered.

Alabama:
Nov 3 @LSU
Nov 10 vs Mississippi State
Nov 24 vs Auburn
Dec 01 SEC championship game

From a UCF perspective, it is best that Alabama simply wins out ensuring an LSU loss and all SEC-East teams are probable for 2-losses

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OSU:
Nov 10 @Michigan State
Nov 24 vs Michigan
Dec 01 B10 championship game

From a UCF perspective, winning at home probably eliminates Michigan. And then a loss in the B10 championship game creates only 2-loss teams in the B10.

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Clemson:
Nov 10 @Boston College
Dec 01 ACC championship game

From a UCF perspective, Clemson winning out ensures no other ACC team makes the playoffs. If Clemson wins out in the regular season and then loses to ACC-Costal team on 01 Dec., that creates chaos for the seeding.

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Notre Dame:
Nov 17 vs Syracuse
Nov 24 @USC

From a UCF perspective, all Notre Dame losses are good. Even a single loss make the media consider how weak the Irish' season was.


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LSU:
Nov 3 vs Alabama
Nov 24 @Texas A&M
Dec 01 SEC championship game

From a UCF perspective, it is best that LSU takes a loss to Alabama. But a loss in the championship game is also useful, if a bit chaotic. (A one-loss Florida/Georgia team probably leapfrogs UCF).


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Michigan:
Nov 3 vs Penn State
Nov 24 @Ohio State
Dec 01 B10 championship game

From a UCF perspective, one more loss is golden.


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Texas:
no regular season games of note: mediocre challenges every week though
Dec 01 Big 12 championship game

From a UCF perspective, any Texas loss is very helpful.


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Georgia:
Oct 27 vs Florida
Nov 3 @Kentucky
Nov 10 vs Auburn
Dec 01 SEC championship game

From a UCF perspective, the Knights need the Bulldogs to not succeed in this brutal schedule. One more loss!


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Oklahoma:
Nov 24 @West Virginia
Dec 01 Big 12 championship game

From a UCF perspective, any Oklahoma loss is very helpful.


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West Virginia:
Oct 26 vs Baylor
Nov 3 @Texas
Nov 24 vs Oklahoma

From a UCF perspective, considering no-one in their right mind has the Mountaineers winning both the Texas and Oklahoma matchups, winning one of these two would be Ace.


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Florida:
Oct 27 vs Georgia
Dec 01 SEC championship game


From a UCF perspective, ideally Georgia wins. Otherwise UCF really, really needs Florida to lose to Alabama/LSU in the SEC title.


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Kentucky:
Oct 27 @Missouri
Nov 3 vs Georgia
Dec 01 SEC championship game

From a UCF perspective, as with Florida. Just a single loss anywhere.


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Iowa:
Oct 27 @Penn State
18 Penn State
Nov 3 @Purdue
Dec 01 B10 championship game

From a UCF perspective, how would the selection committee look at a one-loss Iowa? Seriously, this weak schedule is still perhaps enough for the Hawkeyes to overtake the Knights. So one loss would be ideal.


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Washington State:
Oct 28 @Stanford
Nov 10 @Colorado
Nov 24 vs Washington
Nov 30 P10 championship game

From a UCF perspective, only Washington State can make the playoffs. So a single loss is required in their brutal schedule.


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And the team getting NO PRESS on the playoff race:
South Florida:
Oct 27 @Houston
Nov 10 @Cincinnati
Nov 17 @Temple
Nov 23 vs UCF
Dec 01 ACC championship game



Frankly if the Bulls win out, it is the same discussion as if the Knights win out. Their schedule is tough and ideally for the Knights they are undefeated to the WAR on I4.

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Re: # 9 UCF [6-0]: @ East Carolina 

Post#1778 » by craig01 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:21 am

PrimeThyme wrote:What's up with Milton not starting?



A friend of mine works in the media and covers Ucf.

Milton had a heavily taped right ankle in pregame warmups (I saw a picture before the game), and also a hand injury affecting his throwing. Milton's hand was stepped on late in the Memphis game.
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Re: # 9 UCF [7-0]: bye week 

Post#1779 » by Knightro » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:13 pm

From a source of my own, Milton was/is dealing with a myriad of injuries. Sore ankle, sore hand, and probably the worst of the three was a sore shoulder. Him getting the entire game off with a bye next week ensures him 19 days of rest, rehab and recovery.

The team is expecting him to be more than fine for the rest of the season.

I'm super proud of Darriel Mack Jr. That wasn't an easy spot to step into, especially when you consider that he didn't officially know he was even starting until after warmups when the training staff and Heupel pulled the plug on Milton. A RS freshman making his first career start on the road in front of an excitable homecoming crowd against a pretty strong pass rush. ECU came into the game 3rd in the nation is sacks, so that wasn't an easy spot for an inexperienced QB despite ECU's record.

The gameplan was obviously very conservative, but it was exactly what it needed to be. Mack didn't turn the ball over and kept grinding out first downs with his legs. His accuracy wasn't spectacular, but he did put a deep ball right on Snelson's hands that definitely should have been a touchdown.

The defense gave up a lot of yards, but that's the nature of college football. Force 5 turnovers and you'll almost always win comfortably.

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Re: # 9 UCF [7-0]: bye week 

Post#1780 » by UCF » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:28 pm

If we had a healthy Milton we would have blown the doors off ECU yesterday. It wasn’t always pretty but I think the team is better off knowing they can still win with Mack. Milton because of his size will get banged up. We need Mack to be ready if needed.

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