Fizdale Effect: Knicks With 5th Best Defense (even with Mario)!!!

[mpharris36]

Tatum was apparently 1/5 against Frank as the primary defender. I like Frank’s versatility it allows him to guard the best player on each team regardless of position. You may call it horrible coaching and I’m sure Frank thinks otherwise. I’m sure they’re plenty of times that Frank doesn’t want to handle the ball and he makes it apparent by letting Baker take his reps as back up point guard. It’s not the coach’s job to force a player to do something he doesn’t want to do. Knicks offense wasn’t the issue either. Burke was pretty good actually.

Frank said he wanted to be more of a leader out there. No one is stopping him from doing that. Especially when the chuckers you blame are off the floor. Remember last year it was “Jack this and Jarret Jack that” now it’s Burke, who’s going to be next season or the season after that? Let Frank be who he wants to be.

did he not look the most comfortable running the P&R in those nets clips? He sure looked pretty confident and sure of himself. I think franks a very astute player and sometimes for his own good. I think he would thrive with more structure which was point out before. Its the same reason he doesn't show out in the summer league. Too much free lancing. When he is tasked as running the offense and is give then duty he looks his best and that is my point on the whole subject.

Can’t compare the defensive pressure of the Nets to the Celtics. It’s night and day. He struggled against the Celtics because they are one of the best teams in the league. He will be fine.

thats fine, of course he will struggle on nights he is far from a perfect player. I am talking the overall picture. His usage #'s suck and that doesn't have anything to do with how good the C's defense is.

[whocares1]

did he not look the most comfortable running the P&R in those nets clips? He sure looked pretty confident and sure of himself. I think franks a very astute player and sometimes for his own good. I think he would thrive with more structure which was point out before. Its the same reason he doesn't show out in the summer league. Too much free lancing. When he is tasked as running the offense and is give then duty he looks his best and that is my point on the whole subject.

Can’t compare the defensive pressure of the Nets to the Celtics. It’s night and day. He struggled against the Celtics because they are one of the best teams in the league. He will be fine.

thats fine, of course he will struggle on nights he is far from a perfect player. I am talking the overall picture. His usage #'s suck and that doesn't have anything to do with how good the C's defense is.

I mean part of it is obviously Tim and Burke but some of it is his responsibility. He can’t let Ron Baker lead the second unit. Baker is a combo guard as well. Frank should be orchestrating the offense instead of Baker in that second unit.

[mpharris36]

Can’t compare the defensive pressure of the Nets to the Celtics. It’s night and day. He struggled against the Celtics because they are one of the best teams in the league. He will be fine.

thats fine, of course he will struggle on nights he is far from a perfect player. I am talking the overall picture. His usage #'s suck and that doesn't have anything to do with how good the C's defense is.

I mean part of it is obviously Tim and Burke but some of it is his responsibility. He can’t let Ron Baker lead the second unit. Baker is a combo guard as well. Frank should be orchestrating the offense instead of Baker in that second unit.

I happen to agree. But we really don't know the situation if Baker is just keeping "we are gunna get you right" Mudiay seat warm for when he comes back maybe this is Fizdale plan to begin with to get Frank comfortable with an off ball role (which I don't agree with). I'm not sure the dynamics because the offense seems to be a free for all and I just don't think that suits frank well because he is being told he isn't the point guard but maybe he is confused with his role. Thats both on him to be more aggressive but the coach can do a better job putting him in better spots to be successful as well.

[cgf]

agreed, however the following players shouldn't be developed because they're not going to be here next year

kanter
burke
i'll even throw in thj even though he's unmovable.

those guys shouldn't be playing 30 minutes, let alone the final 5. but they are, so exactly what is fiz developing?

final 5 minutes should have a lineup of knox, trier, frank, mitch, and whoever ... that's developing.

we don't know which of these players isn't part of our future. and regardless, they report to the team today. this is their workplace. all involved have to come to work and work together.

you just named 2 guys who very well could be here.

Then something has gone terribly wrong in the offseason

If we can't get 2 max cats to sign with us after moving Lee, but land the 1; then I'd rather hold onto THJ and our picks, while bringing someone like Kanter back with that extra cap room. I'm neutral towards Burke, but if Trier keeps this up he'd be expendable.

[Besart19]

Obviously Fiz is playing some mind games, too with Frank though he clearly has given him three hints/outcomes

Either become Wade, Conley, Chalmers, Bowen or Battier!!

Its up to him to try to figure it out what type of player he would want to become

[GONYK]

we don't know which of these players isn't part of our future. and regardless, they report to the team today. this is their workplace. all involved have to come to work and work together.

you just named 2 guys who very well could be here.

Then something has gone terribly wrong in the offseason

If we can't get 2 max cats to sign with us after moving Lee, but land the 1; then I'd rather hold onto THJ and our picks, while bringing someone like Kanter back with that extra cap room. I'm neutral towards Burke, but if Trier keeps this up he'd be expendable.

If we unload Lee for nothing, then we have maybe $12M over one MAX?

Probably all of that goes to Kanter if we were to bring him back, though I don't think that would be a fantastic use of the money.

[cgf]

Then something has gone terribly wrong in the offseason

If we can't get 2 max cats to sign with us after moving Lee, but land the 1; then I'd rather hold onto THJ and our picks, while bringing someone like Kanter back with that extra cap room. I'm neutral towards Burke, but if Trier keeps this up he'd be expendable.

If we unload Lee for nothing, then we have maybe $12M over one MAX?

Probably all of that goes to Kanter if we were to bring him back, though I don't think that would be a fantastic use of the money.

Depends on where exactly we end up picking and what other players prove worth not waiving/renouncing -- because they're cheap depth and we'd have well over a max slot -- it'd probably whittle down closer to the big (non-taxpayer) MLE for next year*. Which I feel is pretty fair for Kanter in this day & age; so I wouldn't complain too much about it as long as it didn't come with a starting spot...assuming Mitch doesn't make great progress by season's end that convinces us to role with him as our #1 bench big.

Not going to the mat for Enes, but depending on what happens between now & FA next summer; bringing him back could be a good call...especially if he can continue improving his D, passing & 3ball under Fiz.


*minus Dotson's contract, which is ~.7M more than a roster minimum hold, as is Vonleh's caphold; Kornet's caphold, which is ~1M over a roster min hold; Trey's hold being only ~.8M over the roster min hold; our draft pick being "too high"; Trier's situation assuming that he plays too many games to stay on his 2-way deal; and possibly that 1M that we could let Lance bank before waiving him...if we're trying to bring him back after doing our shopping.

Plus if it's KD that takes our max slot then we'd need ~5 of that 12M just for KD.

[MaseInYourFace]

Does Frank even want to be a point guard? All this talk and that basic question never gets asked much less answered.

[NYKAL]

Way too early to say we're good on defense

...But, it's not too early for them to say we're bad.

--Mags

you needed to drop the mic after posting this

[cgf]

Does Frank even want to be a point guard? All this talk and that basic question never gets asked much less answered.

What even is a point guard? And what does Fiz want? Does he want his new Conley, or does he want a multi-playmaker offense that has no traditional PG? There's a lot of questions that we don't ask, instead just running with our own preconceptions and judging Frank according to those.

This is why I don't stress about whether Frank is PG or not, as long as he's playing a lot & developing even in this early days, then I'm gucci.

[magnumt]

Read on Twitter

Wassup my "experts."

--Mags

[DOT]

We dropped to 10th after the Bucks game, btw

DRTG dropped a whole 5 points, which is why I said it was too early

[dakomish23]

We dropped to 10th after the Bucks game, btw

DRTG dropped a whole 5 points, which is why I said it was too early

Imagine after this one

[dakomish23]

The lineup I wanted to see more of tonight:

Frank
Dotson
Trier
Mario
Vonleh

Smallest of small sample sizes

DEF rating 73.3
OFF rating 134.5
NET rating 61.1

Instead he put in Baker. Frank is a better fit with this group.

[blanko]

Bench Mario give the minutes to Kevin Knox and Damien


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[DOT]

Since this thread has been bumped, we are now 19th in DRTG, as an update

[DOT]

Also update, our DRTG with the new starting lineup is 7.4 worse than the old starters despite the defensive upgrades, but that's more than balanced out by the ORTG being 17.6 better surprisingly enough, so now our starters have a positive NetRTG instead of a negative one

I chalk the bad DRTG up to mostly the GS game, and I'd also like to remind everyone that both the sample size with the new starters and overall is still very small

[god shammgod]

Since this thread has been bumped, we are now 19th in DRTG, as an update

if we really track it for the whole season, this thread could get depressing.

[Capn'O]

Bucks and Warriors were bad defensive efforts. Or good teams. You be the judge. Imo, the defense is about what could be expected with a bunch of young guys + vets that aren't particularly good defensively.

The Knicks are 10th in ppg allowed but pace is slow - 26th in the league.

[DOT]

Since this thread has been bumped, we are now 19th in DRTG, as an update

if we really track it for the whole season, this thread could get depressing.

Actually, I think it'll stay about there. Maybe get into the low 20s, but I don't think we're gonna be one of the worst defensive teams in the league overall just cause Fiz has them playing hard on that end, even the bad defenders (for the most part)

We actually play at a pretty slow pace, too. Like, our DRTG is 19th but we're top 10 in opponent ppg