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GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET

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Re: GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET 

Post#301 » by shakendfries » Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:31 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Man, Zion being 6'6 doesn't matter AT ALL if he can touch the top of the backboard and he weighs 285. He's more likely to play center than SF in today's league. And I don't think he'd have much trouble at center.

You have to look at him as a more offensive minded Draymond. Rebounder, defender, and finisher first. The other stuff is a work in progress but his face up game and shot is developing.


List the starting NBA SFs and Cs Zion can shoot over or overpower.


He outweighs everyone in our rotation by at least 40 pounds. Guys are going to be bouncing off of him the second he gets in the league. He runs the floor like a guard too.

RHJ has only played PF or C for us so I don't really see the problem.


Remember when guys were bouncing off Thomas Robinson?



Please list the starting NBA SF's and Cs Zion can shoot over or overpower
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Re: GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET 

Post#302 » by MGrand15 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:10 am

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List the starting NBA SFs and Cs Zion can shoot over or overpower.


He outweighs everyone in our rotation by at least 40 pounds. Guys are going to be bouncing off of him the second he gets in the league. He runs the floor like a guard too.

RHJ has only played PF or C for us so I don't really see the problem.


Remember when guys were bouncing off Thomas Robinson?



Please list the starting NBA SF's and Cs Zion can shoot over or overpower


Yeah let me just waste time writing a list that you'll disagree with anyway. Give me a few hours.

I get where you're coming from with the Robinson comp but there's a lot of differences. Robinson was a bench guy until he was a junior in college. He made 7 3s that year and fooled teams into thinking he had potential as a stretch 4 / shooter.

Zion is world's ahead of him in terms of defense, BBIQ, foot work, and passing from what I've seen. Those are things that separate prospects in my eyes. Especially bigs.

Its all good though, we can keep our eyes on him during the college season and see if any of our opinions change.
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Re: GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET 

Post#303 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 3:35 am

Great kudos to Dinwiddie for coming through!
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Re: GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET 

Post#304 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Nov 2, 2018 4:22 am

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Papi_swav wrote:Just because Zion is 6'6 doesn't mean he can't play the 4. Charles Barkely was a legit 6'4 playing power forward and he doesn't have a huge wingspan, it was all bully ball. I think Zion athleticism would be ok at the 4. RHJ is like 6'7 so what's the difference? Draymond Green is like 6'7 6'8 , height doesn't matter. Zion looks like he will be one of the strongest dudes in the NBA. As long as he can shoot the 3 and rebound and slide his feet quick enough, he will be ok at the 4.



Charles Barkley was 6'6 in shoes, the same height as Michael Jordan and he had long arms and ridiculous lower body strength.

I think Zion can play either forward spot tbh. His strength, frame and athleticism is ridiculous. Decent handles and good form on his outside shot. He has no business even playing NCAA ball.

When it comes to PF, I never understood the gripes about height. Like you said, Chuck was "undersized" and he was still giving dudes like Karl Malone, who was a 6'9 TANK, the business. Larry Johnson was 6'6 250 and was a load to handle prior to his back injury. Height has nothing to do with any of this. Length (wingspan) and strength are more of a factor than anything else. RHJ and Draymond are the same height the only difference is that Draymond has a bigger frame than RHJ.


Let's get some details about Zion's wingspan, because that he is not getting a shot off against Giannis, Tatum, Porzingis, Saric, Markkanen, Jarren Jackson Jr., and he's gonna struggle to bully Griffin, Gordon, Patterson, Johnson, Randle, Favors, Morris. 8 of those power forwards play in the Eastern Conference, and most of them are under 22 yrs old.

There's a reason you're comparing Zion to Larry Johnson and Charles Barkley, and that's because his skillset isn't suitable for today's NBA. Remember former Net Thomas Robinson? Their scouting reports are identical, but Zion is 2 inches shorter.



No, I'm actually comparing Zion to Barkley and Johnson because they were anomalies or players that play bigger than they really are due to their overall physical attributes, it has nothing to do with the era, its about historical precedent that there are indeed players that come along who are just physical freaks of nature. Obviously, he will need to prove that he can produce at the next level and I question his wing span as well but his athleticism and physical frame are off the charts. I think he is worth a serious look.

I'm not going to sit here and predict that he can't get his shot off versus the names you mentioned either. I think that might be a serious reach especially since there are a few names on that list that he at age 18 and his size would straight up overpower physically. That being said, I don't know. I would take a flier on the kid.

And, Thomas Robinson was neither the physical specimen or athlete that Williamson is. While I think you are 100% correct in wanting to wait and see and questioning his wingspan, personally just based off of what I've seen, that kid is an NBA player without a doubt.
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Re: GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET 

Post#305 » by Papi_swav » Fri Nov 2, 2018 6:10 am

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Papi_swav wrote:Just because Zion is 6'6 doesn't mean he can't play the 4. Charles Barkely was a legit 6'4 playing power forward and he doesn't have a huge wingspan, it was all bully ball. I think Zion athleticism would be ok at the 4. RHJ is like 6'7 so what's the difference? Draymond Green is like 6'7 6'8 , height doesn't matter. Zion looks like he will be one of the strongest dudes in the NBA. As long as he can shoot the 3 and rebound and slide his feet quick enough, he will be ok at the 4.



Charles Barkley was 6'6 in shoes, the same height as Michael Jordan and he had long arms and ridiculous lower body strength.

I think Zion can play either forward spot tbh. His strength, frame and athleticism is ridiculous. Decent handles and good form on his outside shot. He has no business even playing NCAA ball.

When it comes to PF, I never understood the gripes about height. Like you said, Chuck was "undersized" and he was still giving dudes like Karl Malone, who was a 6'9 TANK, the business. Larry Johnson was 6'6 250 and was a load to handle prior to his back injury. Height has nothing to do with any of this. Length (wingspan) and strength are more of a factor than anything else. RHJ and Draymond are the same height the only difference is that Draymond has a bigger frame than RHJ.


Let's get some details about Zion's wingspan, because that he is not getting a shot off against Giannis, Tatum, Porzingis, Saric, Markkanen, Jarren Jackson Jr., and he's gonna struggle to bully Griffin, Gordon, Patterson, Johnson, Randle, Favors, Morris. 8 of those power forwards play in the Eastern Conference, and most of them are under 22 yrs old.

There's a reason you're comparing Zion to Larry Johnson and Charles Barkley, and that's because his skillset isn't suitable for today's NBA. Remember former Net Thomas Robinson? Their scouting reports are identical, but Zion is 2 inches shorter.


Why can't he get his shot off against those guys? I dont get what your saying. Harden is 6'5 and he can get his shot off against those guys, Kemba is not even 6 feet and he can do the same, why wouldn't Zion be able to? if that's the case than no guard or anybody under 6'6 will be able to get their shots off against the big men, so why don't we have big men guard the guards?

Zion is super fast and he can get around those guys, his handles are not the best but it's not bad, something he has to work on but it's there. He's not one of those slow big men type like back in the day, the dude is a bull that runs fast and jumps out the gym. Kind of like a stronger LeBron. His athleticism is 2nd to none and he's a legit 280 pound tank.

I can't believe you're comparing him to T Rob, Robinson was just a rebounder. He does not have the same skills as Zion. Zion can shoot the 3, he just has to work on it a little like every college player has to work on their game to get better. Blake Griffin won't be able to bully him like he does with RHJ, or Randle . Bro Patterson is a bench player, Morris too, you're comparing him to weak players. If Zion can slide his feet side to side quick enough, then none of those guys will be able to get by him and they're definitely not backing him down in the post. Heck I don't even see centers backing him down. He will take up a lot of space.
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Re: GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET 

Post#306 » by Prokorov » Fri Nov 2, 2018 2:41 pm

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JiggaMan06 wrote:Never thought I'd say it but maybe Zion would be a great fit at the PF for the Nets looking at games like this. Not taking away from what RHJ did down the stretch but Zion strength and athleticism would've made it difficult for Andre and Blake. I also know he'll grab more than 2 rebounds a game lol

Also, Dinwiddie is going to be a 6th Man of the year finalist if not the winner. I'm just always surprised that him and Russell can never have great games at the same time.


Pump the brakes - a few seasons ago Andrew Wiggins was being likened to Kobe. Once upon a time, Towns and Okafor were viewed as the next great NBA centers. All of these players have the same weaknesses in their game that they had in college.

Zion is 6'6''. He is not a PF at the NBA level and he wouldn't fare better against Blake than Rondae, because Dae has a bigger wingspan to contest shots.

Just because Zion is 6'6 doesn't mean he can't play the 4. Charles Barkely was a legit 6'4 playing power forward and he doesn't have a huge wingspan, it was all bully ball. I think Zion athleticism would be ok at the 4. RHJ is like 6'7 so what's the difference? Draymond Green is like 6'7 6'8 , height doesn't matter. Zion looks like he will be one of the strongest dudes in the NBA. As long as he can shoot the 3 and rebound and slide his feet quick enough, he will be ok at the 4.


not to mention we play allen crabbe at PF, we played harris at PF vs. detroit for an 8 minute stretch. we have RHJ and carroll as PFs. if crabbe can play PF for us certainly Zion can
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Re: GT #8: Pistons @ Nets - Wed, Oct 31, 2018 - 7:30pm ET 

Post#307 » by Prokorov » Fri Nov 2, 2018 2:45 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Man, Zion being 6'6 doesn't matter AT ALL if he can touch the top of the backboard and he weighs 285. He's more likely to play center than SF in today's league. And I don't think he'd have much trouble at center.

You have to look at him as a more offensive minded Draymond. Rebounder, defender, and finisher first. The other stuff is a work in progress but his face up game and shot is developing.


List the starting NBA SFs and Cs Zion can shoot over or overpower.


at 285 he can overpower every single SF and most Centers. he can shoot over all of them. he has a 40+ inch verticle with a lefty delivery and enough handle centers cant just close out super hard on him

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