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Re: Around the NBA (2.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1521 » by sully00 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 7:17 pm

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Valid wrote:Doesn't change the fact that it's disgusting. I also disagree that guys like Jimmy Butler are more powerful than the corporation they work for. If Butler never played another NBA game again, the league wouldn't bat an eye.


I am sorry this all BS. You can walk into your job and quit and go work somewhere else whenever you want, your boss can't trade you to Toledo, he or she actually can't fire you unless they want to pay you for a couple of months. It is great to be an American.

The NBA is the NBA and guys make a ton of money but very few of us have a job that says by the way Jim your going to Minneapolis for the next couple of years have a good time. Then when you go to your new boss and say Boss you know this isn't working out for me, the guys I am working with and me don't get along and as soon as I can I am heading to LA or Miami. The response is good to know we will send you their sooner if it works for us but until then we are going to be make you look like an ****.

Not entirely true. He has a contract with the T'Wolves. Like a lot of professionals, the last contract I signed contained a non-compete clause. If I left my employer I could not work in any related industry for 3 years. He cannot just refuse to play without risking consequence.
Do I think Minnesota should trade his contract? Yes. Do they have the right to trade his contract for what they deem equal compensation? Yes.


Everything has consequences. Non compete clauses are bogus as well. The NBA has perverted FA to hide behind the piles of money they give guys to make it seem okay. Butler is actually a perfect case. He was a late first rounder who made himself an All Star having made a little over 5mil in 4 years. He hit restricted FA and his team told everyone they would match any offer up to the max for his services so nobody signed him to an offer sheet and was essentially left to resign with the Bulls or except a pittance of his value for another season. 2 years into his 5 year deal he is dealt to MINN without his own consent. They offer him a 50 cents on the dollar extension in the off season that he turns down and tells them to trade him to one of his preferred destinations because he isn't going to resign with them, they attempt to trade him and can't find a deal they like.

The Wolves are not behaving in a very genuine way in this situation tons of mixed messages and nonsense that is going to invite Butler to do the same. Starting with the fact that they apparently told Butler take Wednesday off, no idea where the story line of that this was Butler's new tactic came from but like I said it is all part of the we are going to trade you but you make you like and ass in the mean time. I am not saying Butler is acting real classy in this situation he isn't, he may have been behind the story. But when you continue to have a system that Free Agents aren't free to sign were they want for however much they can get this is what it will bread.

More and more I think the soccer model makes the most sense, get rid of the asset trades and get down to business. If a player under contract wants out post him and then take the highest bid and move on. Make "trades" business transactions.
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Post#1522 » by sully00 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 7:32 pm

Honestly major league baseball used to have a great rule that I am sure has gone away now. But if you dealt a veteran player in the middle of a multi-year contract they could ask for a trade in the off season or become a FA. I think the league needs to move to more freedom of movement and less of the never ending extension of draft rights.
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Post#1523 » by 3D Chess » Fri Nov 2, 2018 7:38 pm

3D Chess wrote:Super off topic and started reading this article almost by accident, but apparently it's ok to fire guys via voicemail these days;

In the lawsuit Boylan, 63, provides a transcript of a voicemail left by former head coach Tyronn Lue from last June informing him the team was moving in a different direction. According to the transcription, Cavs general manager Koby Altman informed Lue that "they're not gonna pay that kind of money for three assistants on the bench. He wants to go younger in that position and, you know, find somebody who's a grinder and younger in that position."


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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25157021/former-cleveland-cavaliers-assistant-coach-jim-boylan-files-age-discrimination-suit-team

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Well that escalated. Cavs going in, lol.

Wonder if being fired via voicemail put his nose out of place and lead to the lawsuit.
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Post#1524 » by jmr07019 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 7:57 pm

Minni isn't handling this the best way but Butler comes off as entitled and a jerk. He was on a playoff team, forced his way out and sent the Bulls into a rebuild. Now he's on a better playoff team with one of the best young big men in the game and he's still not happy. From everything that's come out about him he is faaaar from a leader. He is the opposite of a leader. He alienates the younger guys on his team and creates problems. What exactly is he looking for? Is he another Durant that just wants to be surrounded by all-nba talent and have no competition? That what it sounds like.
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Post#1525 » by jmr07019 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 7:59 pm

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Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:i agree with most of your take but there is room for a player like Saric on any roster. he doesn't need to be traded....just maybe moved to a bench unit.

the way their starting 5 is constructed, it's a mess. simply switching out fultz for reddick would open up the floor so much more.

I think the Sixers are probably well aware of this, but at the moment they are willing to sacrifice some results in order to see just how it might work with Fultz as a starter, since the clock is ticking on a few of their dudes that are going to be due big money soon, and on the flip side Redick isn't going to be around forever (at least at his current level of play). It's not ideal for them, but I can see why they are doing it.


I think they're trying to pump and dump Fultz and starting him is the best way to do that. It's not working very well though and the media is already asking Brown about how bad Fultz and Simmons play together.
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Post#1526 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Nov 2, 2018 8:16 pm

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Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:i agree with most of your take but there is room for a player like Saric on any roster. he doesn't need to be traded....just maybe moved to a bench unit.

the way their starting 5 is constructed, it's a mess. simply switching out fultz for reddick would open up the floor so much more.

I think the Sixers are probably well aware of this, but at the moment they are willing to sacrifice some results in order to see just how it might work with Fultz as a starter, since the clock is ticking on a few of their dudes that are going to be due big money soon, and on the flip side Redick isn't going to be around forever (at least at his current level of play). It's not ideal for them, but I can see why they are doing it.


I think they're trying to pump and dump Fultz and starting him is the best way to do that. It's not working very well though and the media is already asking Brown about how bad Fultz and Simmons play together.


Trade Simmons and Redick for AD. Problem solved.
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Post#1527 » by K For Three » Sat Nov 3, 2018 12:01 am

I'm dying.

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https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-lavar-ball-says-he-can-coach-los-angeles-with-eyes-closed/

So don’t worry, if it doesn’t work out with Walton, LaVar would be the perfect candidate to step in, according to him. He told Declan Olley of Sky Sports News:

“If you have Lonzo and you have the best player in the world which is LeBron James, how do you not win a Championship? My prediction for this season is the Championship. If they need help to shoot I’ll coach them. I can coach them with my eyes closed.

“There’s only one way to beat the Golden State Warriors is to go faster than them. If you have length and speed you can beat them.”
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Post#1528 » by Marvel » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:09 am

Wizards are trash.
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Post#1529 » by Valid » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:32 am

Marvel wrote:Wizards are trash.

They need to blow it up. Now. That team has run its course, and they were never all that good to begin with. Why the media was so high on them the past couple of years is beyond me. Other than Wall and Beal, there is nothing impressive about that roster, and Wall and Beal are not nearly good enough to be your two best players. The Celtics ended them in 2017.

I guess there is still a chance they make the playoffs given how atrocious the bottom half of the East is. I mean, who can steal a playoff spot from them? Maybe Charlotte? But they would be better off selling off some of their guys by the trade deadline. Even if they do get into the playoffs, they are going to get absolutely annihilated in the first round.
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Post#1530 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Nov 3, 2018 2:53 am

What's impressive about Wall and Beal?
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Post#1531 » by truth18 » Sat Nov 3, 2018 2:59 am

Curmudgeon wrote:What's impressive about Wall and Beal?


Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.
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Post#1532 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:11 am

Washington has needed to blow it up for a long time.
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Post#1533 » by Homerclease » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:12 am

Knox, Robinson and Trier is a hell of a haul for the Knicks this offseason.
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Post#1534 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:13 am

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3D Chess wrote:Super off topic and started reading this article almost by accident, but apparently it's ok to fire guys via voicemail these days;

In the lawsuit Boylan, 63, provides a transcript of a voicemail left by former head coach Tyronn Lue from last June informing him the team was moving in a different direction. According to the transcription, Cavs general manager Koby Altman informed Lue that "they're not gonna pay that kind of money for three assistants on the bench. He wants to go younger in that position and, you know, find somebody who's a grinder and younger in that position."


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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25157021/former-cleveland-cavaliers-assistant-coach-jim-boylan-files-age-discrimination-suit-team

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Well that escalated. Cavs going in, lol.

Wonder if being fired via voicemail put his nose out of place and lead to the lawsuit.


Any lawyers here? If the Cavs declined to exercise an option on his contract, does the reason matter? Their defense seems to be that it doesn’t.
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Post#1535 » by colaroaster » Sat Nov 3, 2018 4:38 am

Chris Paul on the line while Nets fans chant “Rajon Rondo”
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Post#1536 » by Triple7 » Sat Nov 3, 2018 7:03 am

GoCeltics123 wrote:With Luke Walton's job apparently on the line, here's my prediction:

The Lakers fire him, and hire Ty Lue.

They are stupid if they do that :lol:
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Post#1537 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 3, 2018 7:27 am

I’m sure they’ll talk about Phil Jackson
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Post#1538 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Nov 3, 2018 11:25 am

truth18 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:What's impressive about Wall and Beal?


Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.


This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.
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Post#1539 » by kuclas » Sat Nov 3, 2018 12:12 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:What's impressive about Wall and Beal?


Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.


This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.


So how would you think Kyrie Irving would do on the wizards? Cause kyrie on Cleveland before Lebron was a big negative as well.

Irving and Wall are very similar players. Both injury prone. Irving gonna to get max money like wall as well.

Put Irving on wizards with their dysfunctional team. We be talking the same thing about Irving.
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Post#1540 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 3, 2018 12:16 pm

The interesting thing about Wall is that I can't imagine there being a huge market for him.. Would Cleveland be desperate enough? Maybe the Pacers.. probably the Pelicans would be happy to put him next to Jrue in the backcourt, and keep Davis happy, but they can't offer much more than Hill/Moore and Okafor or Randle. He'd be a nice piece to tie together the mix of talent in Orlando and give them an identity.

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