PG Portland - Backcourt Domination

[buckboy]

Keep focusing on Giannis while ignoring tons of problems we got. Our defense on PNR is terrible, beyond awful,our guards **** the bed like 90% of the time in games we need em.

Brogdon has done this crap many times before,he overdripples remains static and then forces crap.

Either stop the point crap with him or trade him for a better SG, simple as that. he is a liability on D

Bucks need to be perfect plain and simple...

These kinds of non sequiturs add nothing to the conversation.

Now, the "must win" part of your other post is clearly not a non sequitur.

[buckboy]

The NBA seems to love Giannis, he gets so many super star calls

[DingleJerry]

Boston fans too made a fuss about the travelling. I'm not denying it or anything. But seriously, traveling in today's NBA? Every step back is a travel and almost every fancy ballhandling move is a carry. All the shifty stuff a CJ/Dame do going around PnRs is a carry. Their stepbacks are travels.

Giannis went up for one dunk last night and got hammered on the arm and no call. Sure he's physical too so it's putting the refs in a tough spot on what to do so I'm generally ok with him not getting the call every single time and because he does get those bull rushes to the hoop allowed. Technically they're not charges most of the time but you can see how a ref could be tempted to call them more than they do.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

It was funny to read Bucks fans giving the same criticisms of Stotts that Blazer fans feel. How he won't adjust to a guy who is killing you.

The NBA seems to love Giannis, he gets so many super star calls, and gets away with so much travelling. it's frustrating to watch from the other side. Even when the defender is straight up and Giannis rams into him, they call a defensive foul. Shaq got a lot of the same treatment.

so basically Giannis should start flopping around on contact to be like everybody else...…. and then opposing fans would appreciate him more

[DingleJerry]

It was funny to read Bucks fans giving the same criticisms of Stotts that Blazer fans feel. How he won't adjust to a guy who is killing you.

The NBA seems to love Giannis, he gets so many super star calls, and gets away with so much travelling. it's frustrating to watch from the other side. Even when the defender is straight up and Giannis rams into him, they call a defensive foul. Shaq got a lot of the same treatment.

so basically Giannis should start flopping around on contact to be like everybody else...…. and then opposing fans would appreciate him more

haha right, imagine if he over exaggerated every contact like most people do in the NBA now to draw calls rather than just keep playing hard through it like he does now. Essentially he never flops or over exaggerates (like Ersan does) to force calls. He'd probably get 4-6 more FTs per game and then opposing fans would really have something to whine about.

[stellation]

I didn't catch any of the game, but note CJ scored heaps of points but none of them on Delly. Putting 2 and 2 together, my total of 8302380232 suggests if this was a must win then Delly should have played every second that CJ played.

[Treebeard]

I didn't catch any of the game, but note CJ scored heaps of points but none of them on Delly. Putting 2 and 2 together, my total of 8302380232 suggests if this was a must win then Delly should have played every second that CJ played.

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[stellation]

I didn't catch any of the game, but note CJ scored heaps of points but none of them on Delly. Putting 2 and 2 together, my total of 8302380232 suggests if this was a must win then Delly should have played every second that CJ played.

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[chonestown]

Guys, I did not watch this game closely. I'll try harder.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

SRS is still first out of 30 even after last nights game. offense 5th in rating... defense 2nd.

for several years now I have believed srs to be a better gauge of a teams season at any point than wins and losses. last year our srs was the worst of any playoff team literally 20th out of 30 entering the playoffs. teams we should have beat or played with could whip our ass any given night and it was a good indicator of what our playoff chances really were like.

lets keep our eye on that thru this roadtrip when we need a pick me up. good chance we fly home 9-4 as one of the top 3 teams in the league. until we have a loss to a clear non playoff team or get busted up at home in a game like this there really shouldn't be any gnashing of teeth in the slightest. were going to lose 20+ games this year and their going to be many to teams we think we should have beat. were also going to win some against some teams we were worried we wouldnt

[Pachinko_]

Doesnt worry me, we have a very easy 10 game schedule after this trip, even if we come back 8-5 we'll still probably be top 2 in the East by early Dec.

I just want to see something done about fast guards torching us. GS and Nuggets are the ultimate test for that. Do something LOL.

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[DingleJerry]

Doesnt worry me, we have a very easy 10 game schedule after this trip, even if we come back 8-5 we'll still probably be top 2 in the East by early Dec.

I just want to see something done about fast guards torching us. GS and Nuggets are the ultimate test for that. Do something LOL.

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I wonder if Gary Payton Jr. is available? Need someone to lock down those opposing Gs.

[bizarro]

Ugly. Plain and simple.

Did you end up going to the game?

I did not. I was game to go down and meet up w y’all if that worked out. I’ve been sick so it would have been a stretch. Went home. Worked on a wood floor for a couple hours. Watched the game via my computer. Disappointed in the performance but these games will happen when our middle-of-the road guard tandem gets worked by better guards.

Steph Curry might go off for 50.


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[bizarro]

Talked with my coworker who is a diehard Blazers fan. We talked abot CJ (and tangentially the real winner of last night’s game: Evan Turner who hit one big improbable shot after the next when the Bucks pulled within 4-6 yet again). He agreed with me to a ‘T’ and I am bringing this here: Hands down Dame is the better and more dangerous player. He is a guy who routinely can win you a game in the closing minutes. He has the ‘It’ factor - a star and All Pro. You can build a team around him like a Giannis. CJ, on the other hand, is not a star. What he is, though, is a better PG than he is a SG. We saw it last night: he has a better handle and moveability. He can get by player one (Hello Dante) with relative ease. And he’s a decent passer. A better overall PG than Dame but not near as dangerous a player - if that makes sense. But, man, next to a player like Lebron or Giannis, CJ would be a dangerous 2nd fiddle. His one severe limitation is if he isn’t hitting, he does little else in his current role to compensate. As an average sized 2 who plays average to subpar defense, he doesn’t do enough peripheral things to make a difference in a game. Hence last year’s playoff series when he continued his teo-month long brickfest and efficiency drought. Regardless, clearly a more dangerous player in today’s NBA than a Bledsoe. I just don’t know how in the hell The Bucks can upgrade over Bledsoe at the current time.


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[crkone]

I really, really do hope this is Bud just perfecting the drop zone defense so he can use it most of the time against the dregs of the league. I like that he is stopping the drop in the 4th (albeit too little, too late) but I would be more comfortable if he could just stop the drop maybe after the first 5 open 3s?

[Wooderson]

It was funny to read Bucks fans giving the same criticisms of Stotts that Blazer fans feel. How he won't adjust to a guy who is killing you.

The NBA seems to love Giannis, he gets so many super star calls, and gets away with so much travelling. it's frustrating to watch from the other side. Even when the defender is straight up and Giannis rams into him, they call a defensive foul. Shaq got a lot of the same treatment.

What a weird time (game and season) to bring this up. Giannis shot 2 FTs last night! He's drawing FTs on nearly 10% fewer of his possessions compared to the last 2 years. You're right that Giannis does get the Shaq treatment, ie guys can hack and body him without fear of fouling because they're dominant forces.

Somehow the refs missed this obvious foul by Collins on Giannis dunk attempt in the 4th quarter

The NBA gives WAY more preferential treatment to guards and perimeter players. Hell that's the whole point of the rule changes that were implemented.

I think you need to re-examine the traveling rules. Dribble count doesn't start until you have possession. Take this dunk, I'm sure you think it's a travel on first glance but watch again and it's clear he picks up the ball with his left foot and dunks off his left, so two steps. Just because his steps are slow and elongated and give him a huge advantage doesn't mean it's illegal. And he's been called for a bunch of travels this year any way, which is part of why his TOs are so high (mostly from not starting his dribble early enough).

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[Pachinko_]

Yeah NBA refs suck collectively. They're probably really good individually but whenever "the league" (whoever the **** that is) is trying to manipulate the rules to solve some problem that only exists in their imagination, which is pretty much every 5 minutes, it understandably confuses the **** out of the refs. Which then confuses the **** out of the players.

So currently the rule is very simple: sometimes you can take an axe to a player's arm and it's not a foul, and sometimes you can look at a player funny and it's a foul. Because **** you, that's why. I hope everyone is clear on this because it's very simple

[drone3]

I think Snell should start at SG, he's been really efficient. He needs more minutes, more shots, more driving to the middle.

[StickeeFingaz]

Something's gotta shake with the defensive scheme. I get that Bud is trying to teach the fundamentals of the scheme but when does winning games outweigh teaching the fundamentals? Any quality guard is going to shred us if we continually give up wide open threes/pull up midrangers for quality NBA players. And what happened to Giannis saying he wasn't going to stop shooting threes and he was going to let it fly? He looks scared to shoot threes and it's only 10 games into the season.

Still wish we had a real GM, as I don't see Horst capable of getting this team where it needs to be, specifically finding a way to creatively upgrade the starting backcourt. I guess it's up to Bud. This tweet made me lol:

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[randy84]

They were basically 2011 OKC series Dirk from midrange and we played messy as ****. Eh, we'll get there.

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Κemba was hot, Celtics were hot, Blazers were hot
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