Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread

[gigantes]

Congratulations Washington, john wall is the new deron williams. overweight, overhyped, and overpaid all-star. if Magic wants to win he better get Michael on the phone to talk about Kemba

I'd like to give Sean Marks the evil genius award for making Ernie Grunfeld walk the plank with that Otto Porter offer sheet

I was just thinking to myself the other day-- how often has "win now" led to a NBA championship or even a strong result, in recent decades?

Note: I don't count the LeBron-led championships that way, because that's moreso a gamble to surround the greatest player in the game with talent commensurate equal to a good, solid shot.

Meanwhile, the Shemp Curry teams were exquisitely built, and arguably never needed KD's bitch-ass addition to do what they've done (IMO). And, the Duncan and Dirk teams are pretty much beloved, fairly organic champions... so, I'm not sure there's any traction there, either.

All of which takes me back to a particular strain of madness I'm seeing amongst Nets fans, i.e. those hoping to sign two max contracts this summer and imagining that Gandalf & Harry Potter's magic wands will somehow turn that in to a magical result.

[shakendfries]

Congratulations Washington, john wall is the new deron williams. overweight, overhyped, and overpaid all-star. if Magic wants to win he better get Michael on the phone to talk about Kemba

I'd like to give Sean Marks the evil genius award for making Ernie Grunfeld walk the plank with that Otto Porter offer sheet

I was just thinking to myself the other day-- how often has "win now" led to a NBA championship or even a strong result, in recent decades?

Note: I don't count the LeBron-led championships that way, because that's moreso a gamble to surround the greatest player in the game with talent commensurate equal to a good, solid shot.

Meanwhile, the Shemp Curry teams were exquisitely built, and arguably never needed KD's bitch-ass addition to do what they've done (IMO). And, the Duncan and Dirk teams are pretty much beloved, fairly organic champions... so, I'm not sure there's any traction there, either.

All of which takes me back to a particular strain of madness I'm seeing amongst Nets fans, i.e. those hoping to sign two max contracts this summer and imagining that Gandalf & Harry Potter's magic wands will somehow turn that in to a magical result.

Let's pump the brakes - there's a stark difference between the 1st Gen Steph Curry Warriors with Harrison Barnes, and Supersaiyan Warriors we're witnessing. KD's decision is entirely Lebron's fault. He set the precedent that if you're a top 5 player you gotta win a ring at all costs, the competition in your conference be damned. People are just mad KD + Steph did it better than Bron did with Wade.

Second, the Celtics signed Gordon Hayward before they signed Kyrie, and Jayson Tatum might be better than both.

The best asset the Nets have is their draft pick, and Sean Marks knows this. The best thing that Marks can do for our future is trade away our productive veterans + players that aren't a part of our future at the deadline (Caroll, Crabbe) and pursue players with upside in free agency.

Much like Gordon Hayward, whoever Sean Marks signs this summer could be the lead domino for the Nets. I'm hoping that the Nets can draft either a scoring minded forward with defensive potential or a guard who can consistently orchestrate an offense.

[MrDollarBills]

Having a trade deadline fire sale could yield fruit in the lottery department but there may not be many takers depending on what you're sending out. if teams want expirings, it will actually hurt us to trade out Carroll and Faried and take back guaranteed salary.

Haha we are so **** ed.

[gigantes]

Let's pump the brakes - there's a stark difference between the 1st Gen Steph Curry Warriors with Harrison Barnes, and Supersaiyan Warriors we're witnessing.

Yes, but I was talking about the Warriors of Curry, Green and Thompson that finally hooked up with Kerr. A homegrown team that went through a few bumps before hooking up with perfect coach for them. No supermax signings or Kevin Durants needed to be a perennial championship contender.

[Papi_swav]

Having a trade deadline fire sale could yield fruit in the lottery department but there may not be many takers depending on what you're sending out. if teams want expirings, it will actually hurt us to trade out Carroll and Faried and take back guaranteed salary.

Haha we are so **** ed.

Carroll and Faried dont really matter because they're expiring and they'll barely play this year anyway, I see them getting bought out later. We need to get value on our young assets like Dinwiddie, Napier, Russell, Crabbe . Let all the young dudes get some burn, Musa, Kurucs, Levert etc..

[Prokorov]

Congratulations Washington, john wall is the new deron williams. overweight, overhyped, and overpaid all-star. if Magic wants to win he better get Michael on the phone to talk about Kemba

I'd like to give Sean Marks the evil genius award for making Ernie Grunfeld walk the plank with that Otto Porter offer sheet

I was just thinking to myself the other day-- how often has "win now" led to a NBA championship or even a strong result, in recent decades?

Note: I don't count the LeBron-led championships that way, because that's moreso a gamble to surround the greatest player in the game with talent commensurate equal to a good, solid shot.

Meanwhile, the Shemp Curry teams were exquisitely built, and arguably never needed KD's bitch-ass addition to do what they've done (IMO). And, the Duncan and Dirk teams are pretty much beloved, fairly organic champions... so, I'm not sure there's any traction there, either.

All of which takes me back to a particular strain of madness I'm seeing amongst Nets fans, i.e. those hoping to sign two max contracts this summer and imagining that Gandalf & Harry Potter's magic wands will somehow turn that in to a magical result.

There is almost no path/strategy that leads to a title. you basically need a top 3-5 player or you need multiple top 10 players and even sometimes thats not enough (KD/Westbrook; Harden/Paul, etc..)

The only ways to get a top 5 player
- be a lotto team and get lucky
-tank and get lucky
-sign one (tough if your not a big market with the right draw and coach/players/GM)
-Trade for one (typically nto cheap and stars usually pick their destination)

If star players would considering teaming up here you do it... period. If Kahwi wants to join butler or kyrie wants to join butler or klay wants to join Kahwi you do it because what is really a "once in a decade" thing is the opportunity to get a top 10 player.

Also, "win now" shouldnt just mean a championship. it cant be anything but a title is a failure. we havent won since we came to the NBA. several other teams have never won. some teams ahvent won in decades. being good, consistently, for a long time is also a "win" to me. as is creating a sustainable culture that keeps churning out winning record teams as the roster turns over.

[Prokorov]

Let's pump the brakes - there's a stark difference between the 1st Gen Steph Curry Warriors with Harrison Barnes, and Supersaiyan Warriors we're witnessing.

Yes, but I was talking about the Warriors of Curry, Green and Thompson that finally hooked up with Kerr. A homegrown team that went through a few bumps before hooking up with perfect coach for them. No supermax signings or Kevin Durants needed to be a perennial championship contender.

Nope, they just needed to luck into arguably the greatest offensive player of all time.

so all we need to do is draft the next steph curry at pick 6 or 8 or 10 this offseason.

[gigantes]

Let's pump the brakes - there's a stark difference between the 1st Gen Steph Curry Warriors with Harrison Barnes, and Supersaiyan Warriors we're witnessing.

Yes, but I was talking about the Warriors of Curry, Green and Thompson that finally hooked up with Kerr. A homegrown team that went through a few bumps before hooking up with perfect coach for them. No supermax signings or Kevin Durants needed to be a perennial championship contender.

Nope, they just needed to luck into arguably the greatest offensive player of all time.

so all we need to do is draft the next steph curry at pick 6 or 8 or 10 this offseason.

Well, you know... Kobe Bryant was grabbed at #13 by the Lakers, via swap. Dirk was a homegrown #9 pick. Going back earlier, history does contain homegrown players, not high draft picks, who were either leaders or top contributors to championship teams. Curry himself was a #7, a lottery pick, but not a super high one. My point is-- it's possible. I would think especially when you have an eye for talent, like Sean Marks and staff do.

As for your other post, not much to disagree with really, except for the specific part you already know I disagree with.

[shakendfries]

this isn’t fair


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[Papi_swav]

Felt so good watching the Warriors get spanked, I hope Bucks reach the finals.

[Claud]

Jimmy Butler to Philly for Saric/Convington/2nd rounder

[MrDollarBills]

The Atlantic Division is a slaughterhouse

[Jersey Generals]

The 2008 Celtics were a win now team that won a championship in their first year. They would have won 3 in a row if KG doesn't blow out his knee.

As for the Sixers trade, they need shooting soon but their team is legit. I would have liked them to keep Saric, but you take what you can get.

[MGrand15]

The Atlantic Division is a slaughterhouse

Seriously. All we need now is for KD to go to the Knicks. Jesus.

[MrDollarBills]

The Atlantic Division is a slaughterhouse

Seriously. All we need now is for KD to go to the Knicks. Jesus.

Yeah. We can just about forget about competing for the next decade.

[shakendfries]

The Atlantic Division is a slaughterhouse

Seriously. All we need now is for KD to go to the Knicks. Jesus.

Yeah. We can just about forget about competing for the next decade.

Seppuku for Sekou

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[gigantes]

The 2008 Celtics were a win now team that won a championship in their first year. They would have won 3 in a row if KG doesn't blow out his knee.

Who knows. Either way, it's not like they were the only elite team in the league.

One day I could really go for a nice, well-researched article that examined the success of NBA superteam / win-now teams through history . You could argue that opportunistically-constructed superteams go back (at least!) as far as Auerbach's Celtics teams. Because IIRC black players were still being shunned by most of the league, but he made a coup by disregarding that custom and bringing in a lot of new talent, starting with Bill Russell.

And on a side note-- the idea that LeBron going to Miami is anything remotely like what KD did is just nonsense IMO. But I think that also's a good example of the way some superteams are relative crap-shoots, some have true championship upside, and some are more like dynasties adding an embarrassment of riches.

[JoseRizal]

With Butler going to the Sixers, I’m now thinking if we can get one of the bottom 3 positions in the standings to draft 1 of the 3 Duke studs...

[MrDollarBills]

With Butler going to the Sixers, I’m now thinking if we can get one of the bottom 3 positions in the standings to draft 1 of the 3 Duke studs...

The only way that happens is if the team gets hit with significant injuries, which I am not hoping for. We're not bad enough to be top 3 unfortunately.

[MrDollarBills]

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This should be at least a 1 or 2 game suspension. Malik Monk could have been severely injured or worse on this play. How a fight didn't break out after that is beyond me.

These NBA players nowadays would let their teammates be killed right in front of them and would look the other way.