Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

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Woj reporting you guys are now open for trades on his twitter. Do you all think this is just seeing what is out there or you will really move one of your key guys?

Yes I think they would, but that doesn't mean they'll let themselves get robbed. So please don't be one of those posters who comes in our threads every day with lopsided trades.

My guess is Wall would have Blake Griffin-type value (two quality starters + protected 1st), and it will take close to a ransom to get Beal.

Porter's value is harder to ascertain , but Kevin O'Connor recently proposed a trade with New Orleans that involves Porter for Randle + Hill + 1st. So not huge value but it's not like they'll have to salary dump him or anything.

In reverse order:

1. If I could get Porter for Randle, Hill & NO's '19 R1 pick, I'd do it in a minute.
2. I don't think it'll take "close to a ransom" to get Beal.
3. I also don't think John will bring what Griffin brought: for one thing I thought Detroit overpaid for him. Has Detroit improved? They fired the FO that made the trade! Not to mention that John is owed even more $$ than Griffin was.

Still, it'll take something meaningful to get any of these guys.

(Note that the Clippers used the Detroit R1 pick they got in the Griffin trade, #12, to pick Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- but not quite: they gave something to Charlotte to swap up to #11 from #12.)

[80sballboy]

Good that they are finally interested in breaking up the team.

[papajoe]

Fultz+Chandler+Zhaire Smith +PHIL 19' Pick + MIA 2020 Pick for Beal?

[truwizfan4evr]

Fultz+Chandler+Zhaire Smith +PHIL 19' Pick + MIA 2020 Pick for Beal?

keep dreaming

[truwizfan4evr]

Good that they are finally interested in breaking up the team.

i'm not happy the person who put it together breaking it up.i want ernie gone first.

[JWizmentality]

There is NOTHING to be happy about. Ernie will be "leading" the rebuild. God help us all.

[PerkinsFor3]

Since so many of you seem to want to trade Otto Porter, we might as well look at some trade ideas that have a chance to benefit us.

Otto Porter & Jason Smith (expiring) to GS for Draymond Green, Kevon Looney, & Damian Jones.

Why for them is obvious: turns a problem (Draymond) into an asset (Porter). Looney & Jones are the cost they pay. Man would Otto ever thrive on that team! & they're smart enough to know that.

Why for us: Green's ability to shake things up might be a plus for us. He also puts Morris on the bench. Jones is showing this year why they liked him. Puts Mahinmi on the bench. Looney is the guy CCJ & I wanted in the 2015 draft. Only concern about him is do we have any rights at end of season?

If they were unwilling to part with Jones in this deal, Jordan Bell would work for me as well. Might even be willing to take Alfonzo McKinnie (I'd need to look at his college numbers first; haven't done that yet).

This trade is only worth talking about if the time comes when trading Green is the best way out of a team conflict.

You are expecting them to trade literally every center they have....

[truwizfan4evr]

Since so many of you seem to want to trade Otto Porter, we might as well look at some trade ideas that have a chance to benefit us.

Otto Porter & Jason Smith (expiring) to GS for Draymond Green, Kevon Looney, & Damian Jones.

Why for them is obvious: turns a problem (Draymond) into an asset (Porter). Looney & Jones are the cost they pay. Man would Otto ever thrive on that team! & they're smart enough to know that.

Why for us: Green's ability to shake things up might be a plus for us. He also puts Morris on the bench. Jones is showing this year why they liked him. Puts Mahinmi on the bench. Looney is the guy CCJ & I wanted in the 2015 draft. Only concern about him is do we have any rights at end of season?

If they were unwilling to part with Jones in this deal, Jordan Bell would work for me as well. Might even be willing to take Alfonzo McKinnie (I'd need to look at his college numbers first; haven't done that yet).

This trade is only worth talking about if the time comes when trading Green is the best way out of a team conflict.

You are expecting them to trade literally every center they have....

Do not bring that nut case and overrated scumbag green on this roster.

[nate33]

1. If I could get Porter for Randle, Hill & NO's '19 R1 pick, I'd do it in a minute.

Really?

Randle has a player option this summer that he is likely to exercise given the amount of money chasing free agents. If we kept him, it would probably be at a cost that would make him a negative asset.

So basically, it would be Porter for the number 25-ish pick in the draft and Solomon Hill's dead weight contract that costs $13M next year.

[Illmatic12]

Woj reporting you guys are now open for trades on his twitter. Do you all think this is just seeing what is out there or you will really move one of your key guys?

Yes I think they would, but that doesn't mean they'll let themselves get robbed. So please don't be one of those posters who comes in our threads every day with lopsided trades.

My guess is Wall would have Blake Griffin-type value (two quality starters + protected 1st), and it will take close to a ransom to get Beal.

Porter's value is harder to ascertain , but Kevin O'Connor recently proposed a trade with New Orleans that involves Porter for Randle + Hill + 1st. So not huge value but it's not like they'll have to salary dump him or anything.

In reverse order:

1. If I could get Porter for Randle, Hill & NO's '19 R1 pick, I'd do it in a minute.
2. I don't think it'll take "close to a ransom" to get Beal.
3. I also don't think John will bring what Griffin brought: for one thing I thought Detroit overpaid for him. Has Detroit improved? They fired the FO that made the trade! Not to mention that John is owed even more $$ than Griffin was.

Still, it'll take something meaningful to get any of these guys.

(Note that the Clippers used the Detroit R1 pick they got in the Griffin trade, #12, to pick Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- but not quite: they gave something to Charlotte to swap up to #11 from #12.)

1. Agreed, that Porter trade is a steal from where I'm standing.

2. Zach Lowe, Woj and every other NBA insider have been adamant that it would take a significant haul to acquire Beal, and that every single team should be making calls. It stands to reason that if multiple teams are bidding on the same player, his value will be driven up. I have a hard time seeing the Wizards not coming out ahead in a Beal trade, IF they do move him.

3. I'd say Detroit has improved , they're in playoff position currently and Griffin is their best player. The Griffin trade wasn't SVG acting alone, their ownership was all in on it as well. Detroit is in a struggling market and acquiring an All-Star is a way to sell tickets and increase marketability

https://www.nba.com/pistons/features/day-pistons-added-superstar-and-how-owner-tom-gores-welcomed-blake-griffin-family

John is owed more than Blake, but he's also younger and has generally been more reliable healthwise. I could envision at least one team in a small market wanting Wall as badly as Detroit wanted Griffin.

[nate33]

Since so many of you seem to want to trade Otto Porter, we might as well look at some trade ideas that have a chance to benefit us.

Otto Porter & Jason Smith (expiring) to GS for Draymond Green, Kevon Looney, & Damian Jones.

Why for them is obvious: turns a problem (Draymond) into an asset (Porter). Looney & Jones are the cost they pay. Man would Otto ever thrive on that team! & they're smart enough to know that.

Why for us: Green's ability to shake things up might be a plus for us. He also puts Morris on the bench. Jones is showing this year why they liked him. Puts Mahinmi on the bench. Looney is the guy CCJ & I wanted in the 2015 draft. Only concern about him is do we have any rights at end of season?

If they were unwilling to part with Jones in this deal, Jordan Bell would work for me as well. Might even be willing to take Alfonzo McKinnie (I'd need to look at his college numbers first; haven't done that yet).

This trade is only worth talking about if the time comes when trading Green is the best way out of a team conflict.

You are expecting them to trade literally every center they have....

Do not bring that nut case and overrated scumbag green on this roster.

It's an interesting question to ponder.

Would Draymond Green immediately implode on the Wizards when his issues aren't obscured by all the winning? Or would his competitive attitude, defensive intensity, and willingness to get in his teammates face be the type of disruptive influence the team needs?

[truwizfan4evr]

You are expecting them to trade literally every center they have....

Do not bring that nut case and overrated scumbag green on this roster.

It's an interesting question to ponder.

Would Draymond Green immediately implode on the Wizards when his issues aren't obscured by all the winning? Or would his competitive attitude, defensive intensity, and willingness to get in his teammates face be the type of disruptive influence the team needs?

Can't stand him he's a dirty player and would suck without the gs stars around him and he's a locker room cancer. I'll pass on that!

[80sballboy]

Good that they are finally interested in breaking up the team.

i'm not happy the person who put it together breaking it up.i want ernie gone first.

One step at a time. The best thing Ernie does is these type of deals when the team is f-cked up. You can't really switch GMs now but I would hope (ok slim shot) that Ted will finally make the move at the end of the season. I mean he's cheap,so he probably won't fire Brooks until the end as well. But if EG can somehow trade Wall AND Beal, that financial issues for this team will go away assuming they don't have to eat too many bad contracts. Then they can hire a GM who can hire his own staff, but that might be a reach as an overly optimistic fan.

[80sballboy]

Do not bring that nut case and overrated scumbag green on this roster.

It's an interesting question to ponder.

Would Draymond Green immediately implode on the Wizards when his issues aren't obscured by all the winning? Or would his competitive attitude, defensive intensity, and willingness to get in his teammates face be the type of disruptive influence the team needs?

Can't stand him he's a dirty player and would suck without the gs stars around him and he's a locker room cancer. I'll pass on that!

So you'd rather have Markieff Morris? This dude may be a pain in the ass but he's a winner. A fantastic defender and a willing passer, almost too willing. He gets everybody involved. He keeps the ball moving. He's like a point forward. He's averaging 7.2 assists per game. No way GS trades him but I would love to have a guy like that.

[Jamaaliver]

Beal to Orlando seems like a solid move for each team..

Some combination of Aaron Gordon, Nik Vucevic and Evan Fournier could benefit WAS in the long and near term.

Phx, Sacramento, Minnesota or Denver also seem like options.

Teams stacked with cheap young talent desperate just to make a playoff run.

[truwizfan4evr]

It's an interesting question to ponder.

Would Draymond Green immediately implode on the Wizards when his issues aren't obscured by all the winning? Or would his competitive attitude, defensive intensity, and willingness to get in his teammates face be the type of disruptive influence the team needs?

Can't stand him he's a dirty player and would suck without the gs stars around him and he's a locker room cancer. I'll pass on that!

So you'd rather have Markieff Morris? This dude may be a pain in the ass but he's a winner. A fantastic defender and a willing passer, almost too willing. He gets everybody involved. He keeps the ball moving. He's like a point forward. He's averaging 7.2 assists per game. No way GS trades him but I would love to have a guy like that.

Only if he's traded for morris i wouldn't do it for are big 3. Porter would blow up with gs.

[nate33]

1. If I could get Porter for Randle, Hill & NO's '19 R1 pick, I'd do it in a minute.

Really?

Randle has a player option this summer that he is likely to exercise given the amount of money chasing free agents. If we kept him, it would probably be at a cost that would make him a negative asset.

So basically, it would be Porter for the number 25-ish pick in the draft and Solomon Hill's dead weight contract that costs $13M next year.

Make it the 2021 unprotected pick and I might be more interested. 2021 is the summer after New Orleans first year without Davis, assuming Davis bolts in 2020.

[Ruzious]

You are expecting them to trade literally every center they have....

Do not bring that nut case and overrated scumbag green on this roster.

It's an interesting question to ponder.

Would Draymond Green immediately implode on the Wizards when his issues aren't obscured by all the winning? Or would his competitive attitude, defensive intensity, and willingness to get in his teammates face be the type of disruptive influence the team needs?

He'd be a glue guy with nothing to stick to. The Wiz need a plan, and hopefully the plan is to blow things up and get high draft picks and rookies. I'm not interested in working real hard in hopes of fighting it out for the 8th playoff spot. Even if we get the talent and leadership, we don't have the coaching to even compete in the first round.

[truwizfan4evr]

Before blowing this group up how about trying a different coach first?

[truwizfan4evr]

Do not bring that nut case and overrated scumbag green on this roster.

It's an interesting question to ponder.

Would Draymond Green immediately implode on the Wizards when his issues aren't obscured by all the winning? Or would his competitive attitude, defensive intensity, and willingness to get in his teammates face be the type of disruptive influence the team needs?

He'd be a glue guy with nothing to stick to. The Wiz need a plan, and hopefully the plan is to blow things up and get high draft picks and rookies. I'm not interested in working real hard in hopes of fighting it out for the 8th playoff spot. Even if we get the talent and leadership, we don't have the coaching to even compete in the first round.

Even if we had the number 1 pick next year do you really trust Ernie? instead of selecting zion he would pick some foreign player.