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Jimmy Butler for Kennard, Johnson, FRP, Leuer, Galloway - Would you do it?

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Post#261 » by Crymson » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:59 pm

Kilo wrote:^Fanboy trade ideas are specifically labelled as such in their thread subject line. If you find their existence insufferable simply don't click on the thread. I understand they're not for everybody and some find them silly - but why click on a thread that is a fanboy trade just to cluck about how much you hate them?


I'm not aiming to be cruel here. But the vast majority of your trade ideas amount to fanboy trade ideas (and you do not put them in their own labeled thread). That's not because you do it deliberately, it's because you don't understand what you're talking about and tune out anyone who tries to explain anything to you. It's pretty insufferable, much less because of the trade ideas themselves than because you won't listen to anyone who tries to explain why they're so unrealistic. Instead you barge ahead full speed on them again and again.

I can tell you're very passionate about this team, but you seem less interested in discussion than in simply being agreed with.
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Post#262 » by zeebneeb » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:30 pm

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zeebneeb wrote:I'll say this, if Wall does become a reality, the threesome of Wall Blake and Andre is fearsome as hell no doubt


It is not. Griffin and Wall are totally incompatible. Even more so than Griffin and Drummond.

It's a crazy NBA out there, and ya gotta do something.


Yep, might as well make another awful trade that'll hamstring the roster even worse!
I'll straight up tell you I'm not a fan of yours because of your constant need to remind everyone how terrible Andre is(hes not. Hes a 2x all star)how this team is crap(they are 8-6 when the team is learning to play together and has a new coach and system)and your general overall terrible attitude of the team.

With that said, yes it would be a gamble on Wall but not because of compatibility issues. Its because Wall is not a great shooter(although career .327 from 3 isn't horrid and hes had some decent years) and the teams 2/3 would still be hodgepodge even after adding Wall.

IF this team had two 40%+ three point shooters at the 2/3 the team would be absolutely fearsome. (Bullock is there, starting kennard would do it)

Wall is an excellent distributor, gets to the free throw line consistently, and would help defensively on the perimeter.

A lineup of;

Wall
Kennard
Bullock
Griffin
Andre

Is damn good. Wall would have to adjust his game to Casey for sure as hes ball dominate like Jackson but it COULD work out beautifully. That would be 3 all-stars in the starting lineup, and two 40%+ three point shooters who would have a ton of open shots.

Would I like to also upgrade the 2 or 3 as well? Well, yeah but how much trade room would the team have after getting Wall?

I'm an optimist. The current team can win 50, but cannot win a title. Taking a chance is clear for takeoff as far as I'm concerned.

If you want to blow it up and move everything and go for Zion, I'm down with that as well.

Unless of course YOU have a better trade idea for an all star starting PG? I will absolutely listen to it. As far as I know, no one else is as available as Wall right now.
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Post#263 » by Crymson » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:38 pm

zeebneeb wrote:I'll straight up tell you I'm not a fan of yours because of your constant need to remind everyone how terrible Andre is(hes not. Hes a 2x all star)


You authoritatively tell me that Andre is good because he has made two all-star teams. That's pretty silly. His downsides should be known to you now, but I see you would rather just reduce the situation to a nonsensical sort of simplicity. Andre was not very good in his first all-star year. Meh offense, horrible defense. He made it on his stats and his reputation. He did not genuinely make the all-star team last year. He got in after two guys dropped out. He had his best season, and that meant meh offense and meh defense.

how this team is crap(they are 8-6 when the team is learning to play together and has a new coach and system)


Again with the simplicity. Incredibly easy schedule, and the roster problems are extremely easy to discern if you'd care to try. I don't think you care to try.

and your general overall terrible attitude of the team.


i.e. the fact that I think that the Pistons have a mediocre roster and have been badly managed for a long time. That's much more fact than attitude, but you're free to characterize it as you wish.

With that said, yes it would be a gamble on Wall but not because of compatibility issues.


OK, so compatibility does not play a part in your fantasy of the NBA. So be it.

Its because Wall is not a great shooter(although career .327 from 3 isn't horrid and hes had some decent years) and the teams 2/3 would still be hodgepodge even after adding Wall.


Wall being a bad shooter is part of the awful compatibility. But he also has a really really bad contract.

IF this team had two 40%+ three point shooters at the 2/3 the team would be absolutely fearsome. (Bullock is there, starting kennard would do it)


It's pretty funny how you confidently state opinion as if it's deified truth. Wall and Griffin could not play together, Griffin and Drummond already do not fit well together.

Wall is an excellent distributor, gets to the free throw line consistently, and would help defensively on the perimeter.


And would give maybe half of his contract value to the Pistons. Or less.

A lineup of;

Wall
Kennard
Bullock
Griffin
Andre

Is damn good. Wall would have to adjust his game to Casey for sure as hes ball dominate like Jackson but it COULD work out beautifully. That would be 3 all-stars in the starting lineup, and two 40%+ three point shooters who would have a ton of open shots.


Tell fans elsewhere in the NBA that and prepare to be laughed at. Maybe you'll get some agrees from amateurs who don't understand fit, only look at individual talent, and aren't familiar with the individual players. Either way, don't mention the total lack of supporting cast.
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Post#264 » by Canadafan » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:19 pm

Crymson wrote:
Kilo wrote:^Fanboy trade ideas are specifically labelled as such in their thread subject line. If you find their existence insufferable simply don't click on the thread. I understand they're not for everybody and some find them silly - but why click on a thread that is a fanboy trade just to cluck about how much you hate them?


I'm not aiming to be cruel here. But the vast majority of your trade ideas amount to fanboy trade ideas (and you do not put them in their own labeled thread). That's not because you do it deliberately, it's because you don't understand what you're talking about and tune out anyone who tries to explain anything to you. It's pretty insufferable, much less because of the trade ideas themselves than because you won't listen to anyone who tries to explain why they're so unrealistic. Instead you barge ahead full speed on them again and again.

I can tell you're very passionate about this team, but you seem less interested in discussion than in simply being agreed with.


You sound pretty cruel here.
I'd bet the "vast majority"don't find them insufferable.
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Post#265 » by The Penguin » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:51 pm

Rozier / Mook / lightly protected (top 3) pick swap rights

for

Ish / Stanley

Celtics clear up some of their "too many cooks in the kitchen" chemistry problems and give Stanley half a season to learn with Stevens before hitting FA.

We give Rozier a spin and Mook helps shore up the wing problems.
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Post#266 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:34 pm

Ish and Luke for Fultz is an optimal deal
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Post#267 » by Snakebites » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:45 pm

zeebneeb wrote:It's a crazy NBA out there, and ya gotta do something.


My goodness does this remind me of your support of the Josh Smith signing.

That was a "crazy move that just might work" too, remember? Remember how nasty our defense was going to be?

That's why it's not easy for me to take your support for potential (or in this case hypothetical) big moves seriously.
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Post#268 » by DetroitSho » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:52 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Ish and Luke for Fultz is an optimal deal
Damnitt, you're really making me think long and hard on that one.

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Post#269 » by Kilo » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:00 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Ish and Luke for Fultz is an optimal deal


Fultz left the Sixers and is getting an independent second opinion on his shoulder. So obviously there is still something bothering him physically. Unless there is gross negligence on part of the Sixers, and they were patient as hell with Embiid and Simmons, and Noel and this years pick - I worry that it could be nerve damage.

And if this second opinion finds it's all clear - then it's the yips and that has ended careers in baseball.

I wouldn't trade Kennard for such an unknown right now.
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Post#270 » by Exit 9 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:19 pm

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Kilo wrote:^Fanboy trade ideas are specifically labelled as such in their thread subject line. If you find their existence insufferable simply don't click on the thread. I understand they're not for everybody and some find them silly - but why click on a thread that is a fanboy trade just to cluck about how much you hate them?


Then he wouldn't have any reason to post.

Yeah, 60,000+ posts about being bothered by trade proposals is crazy. :lol: Dork


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Post#271 » by zeebneeb » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:41 pm

Snakebites wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:It's a crazy NBA out there, and ya gotta do something.


My goodness does this remind me of your support of the Josh Smith signing.

That was a "crazy move that just might work" too, remember? Remember how nasty our defense was going to be?

That's why it's not easy for me to take your support for potential (or in this case hypothetical) big moves seriously.
I had a big post typed up, arguing my position. Just erased it.

Screw it.

Team sucks. Andre may be the worst center in the league, and Blake deserves better apparently. Why bother trading for *insert any available player* when blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So tired of arguing with debbie downers who hate the damn team, hate all the players, and love to take massive dumps on anyone who has actual hope for the damn team.

After 15 **** years I am out. I'll talk with folks who have hope, and making a trade may actually be a good thing, and appreciate some of the players on the damn team.

You can take that seriously.

Peace old gaurd.
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Post#272 » by DetroitSho » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:44 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:It's a crazy NBA out there, and ya gotta do something.


My goodness does this remind me of your support of the Josh Smith signing.

That was a "crazy move that just might work" too, remember? Remember how nasty our defense was going to be?

That's why it's not easy for me to take your support for potential (or in this case hypothetical) big moves seriously.
I had a big post typed up, arguing my position. Just erased it.

Screw it.

Team sucks. Andre may be the worst center in the league, and Blake deserves better apparently. Why bother trading for *insert any available player* when blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So tired of arguing with debbie downers who hate the damn team, hate all the players, and love to take massive dumps on anyone who has actual hope for the damn team.

After 15 **** years I am out. I'll talk with folks who have hope, and making a trade may actually be a good thing, and appreciate some of the players on the damn team.

You can take that seriously.

Peace old gaurd.
Lol

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Re: Jimmy Butler for Kennard, Johnson, FRP, Leuer, Galloway - Would you do it? 

Post#273 » by Snakebites » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:47 pm

I think I'm gonna go ahead and lock this thread. It's gotten pretty personal and the original topic of a Jimmy Butler trade is obviously no longer relevant. If someone wants to make a thread about a possible deal with the Wizards they are welcome to.

But keep it civil.

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