Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[Blue_and_Whte]

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

If he's healthy (admittedly a big if) what two $20M players are you planning to sign that will have more impact?

A few years ago Wall was the prototypical point guard of the future, now he's the cause of Washington's problems?

Orlando needs a name player and alpha scorer, a leader on the court. We constantly talk about lying in wait for a star that comes available for trade, yet when it has happened in the pas couple of years (Irving and Butler coe to mind) all the arguments suddenly circle around *not* trading for that star. If they're available, they're likely to have some warts - the question is, does their star power and talent overcome those warts?

I'd much rather see a deal for Beal, but Wall is being dismissed awfully quickly by people.

We DO NOT need to be paying Wall $40+ million a year when hes already injury prone, and somewhat declining. He couldn't take his current team anywhere what makes anyone think an older version
Is going to be any different with our team?

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[OrlandO]

then you are locked into Wall and Gordon, Isaac and Bamba. you wont be able to sign another free agent except for an MLE for the next 4 years. for a player that has been rumored to be a locker room issue and not always healthy, it is a horrible idea in my opinion. again, 1 player taking more than 1/3 the salary cap. this isnt Lebron, Durant, Curry. arguable he is not in the top-20 for players

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

Wall is worth $30-35 million to a team like ours imo. He'd be our best player taking up a starter spot and he'd fill a bunch of roles needed to make the game easier for our developing youth. I'd view the extra 8-12 million wasted on the overpay as the cost of doing business - getting a star scoring/playmaking guard without spending major assets.

I don't view being locked into Wall + BIG as a bad thing at all. Wall isn't a superstar, but he is still a star who can score and pass better than any player during our whole rebuild. He'd make sense of the BIG puzzle and actually give them a shot of developing together imo.

[OrlandO]

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

If he's healthy (admittedly a big if) what two $20M players are you planning to sign that will have more impact?

A few years ago Wall was the prototypical point guard of the future, now he's the cause of Washington's problems?

Orlando needs a name player and alpha scorer, a leader on the court. We constantly talk about lying in wait for a star that comes available for trade, yet when it has happened in the pas couple of years (Irving and Butler coe to mind) all the arguments suddenly circle around *not* trading for that star. If they're available, they're likely to have some warts - the question is, does their star power and talent overcome those warts?

I'd much rather see a deal for Beal, but Wall is being dismissed awfully quickly by people.

We DO NOT need to be paying Wall $40+ million a year when hes already injury prone, and somewhat declining. He couldn't take his current team anywhere what makes anyone think an older version
Is going to be any different with our team?

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Is he actually injury prone though? He had a minimally invasive surgery mid-season last season and returned to average 26/12/6 in the playoffs and it's not like his stats have fallen off this season. The previous four seasons he was healthy. I actually think Wall + BIG could be pretty interesting on both ends of the floor. Is it going to make us contenders? Probably not, but I don't see a path for that any time soon anyway.

[tiderulz]

If he's healthy (admittedly a big if) what two $20M players are you planning to sign that will have more impact?

A few years ago Wall was the prototypical point guard of the future, now he's the cause of Washington's problems?

Orlando needs a name player and alpha scorer, a leader on the court. We constantly talk about lying in wait for a star that comes available for trade, yet when it has happened in the pas couple of years (Irving and Butler coe to mind) all the arguments suddenly circle around *not* trading for that star. If they're available, they're likely to have some warts - the question is, does their star power and talent overcome those warts?

I'd much rather see a deal for Beal, but Wall is being dismissed awfully quickly by people.

We DO NOT need to be paying Wall $40+ million a year when hes already injury prone, and somewhat declining. He couldn't take his current team anywhere what makes anyone think an older version
Is going to be any different with our team?

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Is he actually injury prone though? He had a minimally invasive surgery mid-season last season and returned to average 26/12/6 in the playoffs and it's not like his stats have fallen off this season. The previous four seasons he was healthy. I actually think Wall + BIG could be pretty interesting on both ends of the floor. Is it going to make us contenders? Probably not, but I don't see a path for that any time soon anyway.

nothing necessarily career ending, but it is adding up. especially getting plasma injections to his knee

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/timeline-john-walls-injury-history-washington-wizards

[BadMofoPimp]

Wall = Arenas 2.0?

[OrlandO]

Wall = Arenas 2.0?

Arenas tore his meniscus twice in six months and was never the same. Wall has not had that kind of damage.

[BadMofoPimp]

on the Zack Lowe podcast mentioned that Wall trade kicker would be $20 million if he is traded before July 1, but goes away after that. So I don't think Wall is not going to be traded anytime soon.

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[fklt]

i think we should send gifts and presents to janis timma to convince him to come to nba, and start him over iwundu and simmons. it should work out much better than what we have.

[Skybox]

Have there been any statements about Isaac's time restrictions? any projections or best guesses? My assumption is he'd be starting over Iwundu if and when he can play 25+ without folding. I haven't watched enough full games to get a feel for whether our bench unit (with Bamba, Isaac, and Ross) is a strength, playing together, or, in a more conventional plan, guys that can't earn starter status yet.

[OrlandO]

Have there been any statements about Isaac's time restrictions? any projections or best guesses? My assumption is he'd be starting over Iwundu if and when he can play 25+ without folding. I haven't watched enough full games to get a feel for whether our bench unit (with Bamba, Isaac, and Ross) is a strength, playing together, or, in a more conventional plan, guys that can't earn starter status yet.

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[Optimus_Steel]

Wonder why Parson's doesn't get a medical retirement? He really hasn't played for 3.5 years do to knee injuries.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6466/year/2016/chandler-parsons

Talk about throwing money down the dumpster...

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[The Real Dalic]

Not sure if someone has talked about it, but Meeks just got waived. I would love to see Meeks come back for shooting off the bench over Simmons.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Not sure if someone has talked about it, but Meeks just got waived. I would love to see Meeks come back for shooting off the bench over Simmons.

LOL!!!! I was waiting for someone to bring up this suggestion.

I heard Reggie Theus and Donald Royal are also available to sign as a FA

[The Real Dalic]

Not sure if someone has talked about it, but Meeks just got waived. I would love to see Meeks come back for shooting off the bench over Simmons.

LOL!!!! I was waiting for someone to bring up this suggestion.

I heard Reggie Theus and Donald Royal are also available to sign as a FA

Really? Nice try at being sarcastic and snarky. We need shooters, Meeks is a really good one, he's also not 50 years old.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Not sure if someone has talked about it, but Meeks just got waived. I would love to see Meeks come back for shooting off the bench over Simmons.

LOL!!!! I was waiting for someone to bring up this suggestion.

I heard Reggie Theus and Donald Royal are also available to sign as a FA

Really? Nice try at being sarcastic and snarky. We need shooters, Meeks is a really good one, he's also not 50 years old.

Agree on needing shooters. But signing these vets thinking its going to put us over the hump is the reasoning why we have been stuck last few years.

Our priorities should be 1. develop Bamba and Isaac 2. see if BIG can be a core 3. trade Vuc, DJ, and fournier for future assets 4. build through draft 5. target 2020 off season as our season to make a big splash

[The Real Dalic]

LOL!!!! I was waiting for someone to bring up this suggestion.

I heard Reggie Theus and Donald Royal are also available to sign as a FA

Really? Nice try at being sarcastic and snarky. We need shooters, Meeks is a really good one, he's also not 50 years old.

Agree on needing shooters. But signing these vets thinking its going to put us over the hump is the reasoning why we have been stuck last few years.

Our priorities should be 1. develop Bamba and Isaac 2. see if BIG can be a core 3. trade Vuc, DJ, and fournier for future assets 4. build through draft 5. target 2020 off season as our season to make a big splash

If we're building through the draft, we're not getting free agents till 2025 at the absolute earliest. People seem to think that a superstar is going to sign with us having nothing but young unproven players. If that were the case, star free agents would have been lining up to sign with the Sixers, Suns, Wolves years ago. They could only, ironically, get good vets to sign with them, which you're against.

I'm also a well established anti-tanker here, so yes, I would like to bring in a Meeks-type player to improve this rosters shooting, and he would also eliminate Simmons from the rotation, meaning more space for Isaac and Bamba with Grant, Ross, and Meeks out there to space the floor.

We're 9-10 and have been looking good after a horrible start at 2-6. We're currently in the guantlet part of our schedule, which I predict we'll lose at least 2 of our next 3 games causing the board to meltdown again and go all doom and gloom and "we suck" until the schedule lightens right after that Portland game.

I don't see why we couldn't be a young, improving playoff team that can maybe get that 5-6 seed. Obviously we're more likely to get the 8th than 7 and up, but it's time to get some respect back in Orlando, cause everyone's been laughing at us since Dwight left.

I would like to add Wall to this team for a fair deal though, as long as it doesn't require AG, Isaac, or Bamba, I'd be ecstatic.

[BadMofoPimp]

On the Washington board, they still appear high on Wall. They think he is not the problem and is near all-star form.

[Blue_and_Whte]

On the Washington board, they still appear high on Wall. They think he is not the problem and is near all-star form.

Smokescreens are fun

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[drsd]

On the Washington board, they still appear high on Wall. They think he is not the problem and is near all-star form.

Wait till they see the team is paying nearly 50M for a player in "near all-star form."


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