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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#181 » by K For Three » Wed Dec 5, 2018 12:33 am

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Where is this coming from?


Have not seen anything concrete, basically Ingram per rumors was floated in a trade idea for Butler before he went to Philly. (not confirmed) And more rumors about him being floated for Beal. (not confirmed)

But you do have to kind of wonder if the Lakers make a move by the deadline to add more scoring to help out LeGoat.

...


There's a tweet from some random on twitter saying Pels, Lakers, Magic, eyes emoji. Apparently he's some sort of trainer who called Carmelo getting waived by the Rockets or some junk like that.

There is also another tweet saying the Magic are interested in Lonzo Ball.

I doubt it is anything serious, but if the Pels do trade AD before we can even make an offer, then that franchise deserves to fold. :lol:


My thoughts exactly.
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Fultz - Neurogenic TOS 

Post#182 » by exculpatory » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:09 am

I will be damned.

This kid may NOT have the yips afterall.

Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome!

Nerves in the brachial plexus which innervate the shoulder & arm get compressed/irritated by muscle/fibrous tissue/bone as they transit through the so called thoracic outlet - in his case most likely consequent to repetitive movement, i.e. shooting a basketball 1 million times. This results in weakness & pain in the affected shoulder/arm.

I am surprised that a team of neurologists/orthopedists did not diagnose this a year ago.

Potentially reversible with conservative Rx (PT & NSAIDS). If not, surgery

Awesome for Markelle personally. Happy for him. It was simply bizarre that he “forgot how to shoot” after his great college career.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/thoracic-outlet-syndrome/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20353994
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Re: Fultz - Neurogenic TOS 

Post#183 » by K For Three » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:21 am

Good to hear it may be reversible.

Wonder how it started?
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Re: Fultz - Neurogenic TOS 

Post#184 » by Ed Pinkney » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:23 am

I am still pretty suspect of the whole situation to be honest.
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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#185 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:24 am

reload141 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I’m feeling such deja vu right now regarding Fultz and his most recent diagnosis.

I believe the next step is for Philly fan to claim he’ll recover 100% and be better than ever. Then itll be time for them to claim he’ll be better than Tatum. Then itll be time for them to claim his jumper is back after one make in a meaningless game. Then they’ll all turn on him and hope they decline his option.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.


It's pretty sad but this is on Philly.

We did our due diligence on him and asked for him to come back for a 2nd workout/checkout to confirm what we first thought in the first workout. We knew about the issue then and immediately pivoted to Tatum.


I figured something like that happened— a few Celtics podcasters [Mannix/Scal most recently, amongst others] said that after the lottery the FO said we were taking Fultz and that something changed after we brought him in. Crazy stuff— feel terrible for the kid for this to all happen to him. I have no idea whats afflicting him, but something has robbed him of his immense basketball talent and it sucks that a 19/20 year old has to deal with this.
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Re: Fultz - Neurogenic TOS 

Post#186 » by exculpatory » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:36 am

Kyrie For Three wrote:Good to hear it may be reversible.

Wonder how it started?


Shooting a basketball 1 million times since childhood - especially in someone whose thoracic outlet may be congenitally smaller.
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Re: Fultz - Neurogenic TOS 

Post#187 » by leper-con » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:47 am

This kid wen to 10 doctors and finally found one to diagnose him with something besides the yips?
boy that US medical system really must suck as 9 specialist were wrong.

I don't want this guy on my team or in the same conference. Phillie needs to jettison this kid.
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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#188 » by leper-con » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:48 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
reload141 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I’m feeling such deja vu right now regarding Fultz and his most recent diagnosis.

I believe the next step is for Philly fan to claim he’ll recover 100% and be better than ever. Then itll be time for them to claim he’ll be better than Tatum. Then itll be time for them to claim his jumper is back after one make in a meaningless game. Then they’ll all turn on him and hope they decline his option.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.


It's pretty sad but this is on Philly.

We did our due diligence on him and asked for him to come back for a 2nd workout/checkout to confirm what we first thought in the first workout. We knew about the issue then and immediately pivoted to Tatum.


I figured something like that happened— a few Celtics podcasters [Mannix/Scal most recently, amongst others] said that after the lottery the FO said we were taking Fultz and that something changed after we brought him in. Crazy stuff— feel terrible for the kid for this to all happen to him. I have no idea whats afflicting him, but something has robbed him of his immense basketball talent and it sucks that a 19/20 year old has to deal with this.


seems lack fire and passion to me.
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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#189 » by Silky » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:53 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
reload141 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I’m feeling such deja vu right now regarding Fultz and his most recent diagnosis.

I believe the next step is for Philly fan to claim he’ll recover 100% and be better than ever. Then itll be time for them to claim he’ll be better than Tatum. Then itll be time for them to claim his jumper is back after one make in a meaningless game. Then they’ll all turn on him and hope they decline his option.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.


It's pretty sad but this is on Philly.

We did our due diligence on him and asked for him to come back for a 2nd workout/checkout to confirm what we first thought in the first workout. We knew about the issue then and immediately pivoted to Tatum.


I figured something like that happened— a few Celtics podcasters [Mannix/Scal most recently, amongst others] said that after the lottery the FO said we were taking Fultz and that something changed after we brought him in. Crazy stuff— feel terrible for the kid for this to all happen to him. I have no idea whats afflicting him, but something has robbed him of his immense basketball talent and it sucks that a 19/20 year old has to deal with this.
He seems like a good kid.

If terry was traded I wouldnt mind having him.

It would be great to see him become whay was hoped when he was drafted with another team....and the icing on that cake would be philly trading tatum AND fultz for nothing.


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Re: Fultz - Neurogenic TOS 

Post#190 » by mwhis21 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:55 am

I’m pretty sure this is the same shoulder issue Tyler Thornburg of the Red Sox had. Pretty much shelved him for two years.

Obviously a different sport, demand on the shoulder but 3-6 weeks seems conservative for an issue that’s been around for 12 months or so.
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Re: Fultz - Neurogenic TOS 

Post#191 » by Jaqua92 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:56 am

After spending the summer in different boston hospitals with Guillian-Barre, a nerve damaging autoimmune disease, I have new found excessive compassion for anyone dealing with anything neurological. Hope he gets it worked out.

I think he doesnt even want to play in the NBA anymore, but prayers to him

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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#192 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:12 am

reload141 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I’m feeling such deja vu right now regarding Fultz and his most recent diagnosis.

I believe the next step is for Philly fan to claim he’ll recover 100% and be better than ever. Then itll be time for them to claim he’ll be better than Tatum. Then itll be time for them to claim his jumper is back after one make in a meaningless game. Then they’ll all turn on him and hope they decline his option.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.


It's pretty sad but this is on Philly.

We did our due diligence on him and asked for him to come back for a 2nd workout/checkout to confirm what we first thought in the first workout. We knew about the issue then and immediately pivoted to Tatum.


You’re saying we recognized he had a nervous system disorder and passed on him, but he didn’t figure it out until he saw ten doctors?
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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#193 » by NYCelticsfan136 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:12 am

That kings pick is looking terrible. The suns are pathetic. Doing a nice tank job.
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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#194 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:20 am

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reload141 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I’m feeling such deja vu right now regarding Fultz and his most recent diagnosis.

I believe the next step is for Philly fan to claim he’ll recover 100% and be better than ever. Then itll be time for them to claim he’ll be better than Tatum. Then itll be time for them to claim his jumper is back after one make in a meaningless game. Then they’ll all turn on him and hope they decline his option.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.


It's pretty sad but this is on Philly.

We did our due diligence on him and asked for him to come back for a 2nd workout/checkout to confirm what we first thought in the first workout. We knew about the issue then and immediately pivoted to Tatum.


You’re saying we recognized he had a nervous system disorder and passed on him, but he didn’t figure it out until he saw ten doctors?


No. He’s saying we saw something that Philly ignored. If I had to guess, it was related to the piss poor shooting and inconsistent mechanics he displayed in his workouts, which both Philly and Boston observed.

If I could wrecklessly speculate, we linked that with something we observed in the medical tests we conducted. Given the sensitivity/personal nature of the situation, I hope reload doesnt tell us to be honest. Its pretty clear something is wrong and that Ainge and team observed something that caused us to pivot— the exact details are irrelevant.
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Post#195 » by Jakeopp » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:20 am

NYCelticsfan136 wrote:That kings pick is looking terrible. The suns are pathetic. Doing a nice tank job.

The Suns are an embarrassment to the NBA and should be demoted to the G league. Nobody will be suprised when Devin Booker pulls a Kyrie Irving to get himself traded out of that dump.

Watch them get rewarded with another first overall pick for this shameless tank job.
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Re: Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#196 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:53 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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reload141 wrote:
It's pretty sad but this is on Philly.

We did our due diligence on him and asked for him to come back for a 2nd workout/checkout to confirm what we first thought in the first workout. We knew about the issue then and immediately pivoted to Tatum.


You’re saying we recognized he had a nervous system disorder and passed on him, but he didn’t figure it out until he saw ten doctors?


No. He’s saying we saw something that Philly ignored. If I had to guess, it was related to the piss poor shooting and inconsistent mechanics he displayed in his workouts, which both Philly and Boston observed.

If I could wrecklessly speculate, we linked that with something we observed in the medical tests we conducted. Given the sensitivity/personal nature of the situation, I hope reload doesnt tell us to be honest. Its pretty clear something is wrong and that Ainge and team observed something that caused us to pivot— the exact details are irrelevant.


He did shoot poorly in the workouts for Boston. I don't think that's why Danny soured on him though. If I had to guess, it was probably his mental toughness, or lack thereof, which Danny look at Tatum. Ainge puts a lot of stock into a player's competitiveness. During a draft workout, Delonte ran a drill, threw up, and then insisted on running the drill again. He beat his own score and set a team record for that drill.

Similar story with Rozier apparently, but with a shooting drill. Rozier did it, and although the drill was exhausting, insisted on doing it again.

If I had to guess, Fultz probably did all the drills just once, regardless of how poorly he did. The kid looks mentally fragile.
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Post#197 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:57 am

The Suns aren’t tanking, they’re just bad.
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Post#198 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Dec 5, 2018 4:38 am

Any chance they went doctor shopping to come up with an alibi for yips? Is it a matter of the possibility being overlooked until now? Is there a clear diagnostic measure?
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