Deandre Ayton news and highlights

[sunsbg]

Props to Luka for hitting those step back 3's. If he was doing it on Real I would have been for selecting him with the 1st pick. Good I'm winning some money from him winning the ROY now.

Well, where you think he got all these moves from? ... He just continues doing what he did for RM. Maybe you didn't watch enough games

The moves - yes, was trying that with RM, probably as preparation for NBA. Hitting those - no, at least in the games I watched. This was a common discussion, why his 3PT percentage is not good, many questioned his shooting not much time ago.

[Bob8]

Luka has outplayed Ayton sure but does he have as good a rookie season he's having now if he was on our team?

Also we don't know how effective Holmes is playing starter minutes. Love his energy and hustle off the bench in about 20mpg but starting is a different beast

He leads the Mavs in 4th Q points, is one of the best ( % wise players) in the entire NBA in clutch points. Has hit more step back 3's than the next 23 teams and is hitting over 41% on his own pull up shots, which is also up there with the superstars. He is averaging almost 7rbs per game with DJ ( who is gunning for those rebounds like his life depends of it ) and 4 assists by not even playing a traditional PG at 19yo and a coach who runs 0 plays for him.

Yes, i would bet he would be close to 22-25ppg and 6-8apg and would make insanely good 1-2 punch with Booker, while TJ providing backup scoring. Don't know who the center would be, but Holmes looks great and i think there was some talk that Suns would go after Robinson at 16.
Also with Booker being out so much, Suns would probably only have 4-5 more wins, but i guess that would be enough ,to at least, have some confidence going forward and maybe a good indicator that FA's would actually want to sign here for reasonable amount of money.

Props to Luka for hitting those step back 3's. If he was doing it on Real I would have been for selecting him with the 1st pick. Good I'm winning some money from him winning the ROY now.

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[Jstock12]

Luka has outplayed Ayton sure but does he have as good a rookie season he's having now if he was on our team?

Also we don't know how effective Holmes is playing starter minutes. Love his energy and hustle off the bench in about 20mpg but starting is a different beast

He leads the Mavs in 4th Q points, is one of the best ( % wise players) in the entire NBA in clutch points. Has hit more step back 3's than the next 23 teams and is hitting over 41% on his own pull up shots, which is also up there with the superstars. He is averaging almost 7rbs per game with DJ ( who is gunning for those rebounds like his life depends of it ) and 4 assists by not even playing a traditional PG at 19yo and a coach who runs 0 plays for him.

Yes, i would bet he would be close to 22-25ppg and 6-8apg and would make insanely good 1-2 punch with Booker, while TJ providing backup scoring. Don't know who the center would be, but Holmes looks great and i think there was some talk that Suns would go after Robinson at 16.
Also with Booker being out so much, Suns would probably only have 4-5 more wins, but i guess that would be enough ,to at least, have some confidence going forward and maybe a good indicator that FA's would actually want to sign here for reasonable amount of money.

Props to Luka for hitting those step back 3's. If he was doing it on Real I would have been for selecting him with the 1st pick. Good I'm winning some money from him winning the ROY now.

Ayton is reaching JJ's territory, where you want to defend him, but simply can't. How much time before he is diagnosed with Fultz's disease ? I have no idea what's wrong with these people, what kind of mental issue this is. You are the Nr 1 pick and behave like some utter scrub.

Now that I finally criticized him, let's hope he goes out there and shows some passion.

A lot of what he's doing right now he has been doing for Real Madrid. The main difference is the floaters I think, he's attempting so many more of them compared to when he was playing in the Euroleague.

[sunsbg]

He leads the Mavs in 4th Q points, is one of the best ( % wise players) in the entire NBA in clutch points. Has hit more step back 3's than the next 23 teams and is hitting over 41% on his own pull up shots, which is also up there with the superstars. He is averaging almost 7rbs per game with DJ ( who is gunning for those rebounds like his life depends of it ) and 4 assists by not even playing a traditional PG at 19yo and a coach who runs 0 plays for him.

Yes, i would bet he would be close to 22-25ppg and 6-8apg and would make insanely good 1-2 punch with Booker, while TJ providing backup scoring. Don't know who the center would be, but Holmes looks great and i think there was some talk that Suns would go after Robinson at 16.
Also with Booker being out so much, Suns would probably only have 4-5 more wins, but i guess that would be enough ,to at least, have some confidence going forward and maybe a good indicator that FA's would actually want to sign here for reasonable amount of money.

Props to Luka for hitting those step back 3's. If he was doing it on Real I would have been for selecting him with the 1st pick. Good I'm winning some money from him winning the ROY now.

Watch on YouTube

Highlights video. I didn't say he didn't hit any of those. Still his 3PTFG% wasn't that good and it was not only because of half court shots, you are trying to imply, which other players have too.

Nice reaction time to post the clip btw.

[sunsbg]

He leads the Mavs in 4th Q points, is one of the best ( % wise players) in the entire NBA in clutch points. Has hit more step back 3's than the next 23 teams and is hitting over 41% on his own pull up shots, which is also up there with the superstars. He is averaging almost 7rbs per game with DJ ( who is gunning for those rebounds like his life depends of it ) and 4 assists by not even playing a traditional PG at 19yo and a coach who runs 0 plays for him.

Yes, i would bet he would be close to 22-25ppg and 6-8apg and would make insanely good 1-2 punch with Booker, while TJ providing backup scoring. Don't know who the center would be, but Holmes looks great and i think there was some talk that Suns would go after Robinson at 16.
Also with Booker being out so much, Suns would probably only have 4-5 more wins, but i guess that would be enough ,to at least, have some confidence going forward and maybe a good indicator that FA's would actually want to sign here for reasonable amount of money.

Props to Luka for hitting those step back 3's. If he was doing it on Real I would have been for selecting him with the 1st pick. Good I'm winning some money from him winning the ROY now.

Ayton is reaching JJ's territory, where you want to defend him, but simply can't. How much time before he is diagnosed with Fultz's disease ? I have no idea what's wrong with these people, what kind of mental issue this is. You are the Nr 1 pick and behave like some utter scrub.

Now that I finally criticized him, let's hope he goes out there and shows some passion.

A lot of what he's doing right now he has been doing for Real Madrid. The main difference is the floaters I think, he's attempting so many more of them compared to when he was playing in the Euroleague.

He's posting his man too being used as a PF. Something he didn't do much in Europe. He was mostly driving and drawing fouls back then.

[Bob8]

Props to Luka for hitting those step back 3's. If he was doing it on Real I would have been for selecting him with the 1st pick. Good I'm winning some money from him winning the ROY now.

Watch on YouTube

Highlights video. I didn't say he didn't hit any of those. Still his 3PTFG% wasn't that good and it was not only because of half court shots, you are trying to imply, which other players have too.

Nice reaction time to post the clip btw.

If you’re shooting only difficult step backs and pull-ups your % will never be high and not many players are having at least 1 half court attempt per game. Did you watched the video, is the man on the video bad shooter? or maybe you believe he suddenly, overnight became good shooter? Anyway, white, chubby, unathletic, slow Euro is doing whatever he wants against athletic marvels from the USA. Priceless.

No need to reply, I’m done here.

[sunsbg]

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Highlights video. I didn't say he didn't hit any of those. Still his 3PTFG% wasn't that good and it was not only because of half court shots, you are trying to imply, which other players have too.

Nice reaction time to post the clip btw.

If you’re shooting only difficult step backs and pull-ups your % will never be high and not many players are having at least 1 half court attempt per game. Did you watched the video, is the man on the video bad shooter? or maybe you believe he suddenly, overnight became good shooter? Anyway, white, chubby, unathletic, slow Euro is doing whatever he wants against athletic marvels from the USA. Priceless.

No need to reply, I’m done here.

I doubt you are done for some reason

I specifically said props for him for the step backs. I always thought he is a good shooter, just wasn't impressed from what I saw on those step backs in Europe. Above clip has ACB games too and I have watched him mostly in Euroleague. It's so much different watching someone live. On highlights everyone is a legend.

Actually thinking about it now, I probably was not that high on him, as I have watched him a few years ago when he wasn't that special. He improved. Who would have thought pre-draft that Ayton will start regressing 20 games into his professional career. Though I think losing and the coaching has something to do with it in addition to the lack of personality.

[Archx]

Sunsbg didn't mean anything negative, i think you misunderstood him.

[Bob8]

Highlights video. I didn't say he didn't hit any of those. Still his 3PTFG% wasn't that good and it was not only because of half court shots, you are trying to imply, which other players have too.

Nice reaction time to post the clip btw.

If you’re shooting only difficult step backs and pull-ups your % will never be high and not many players are having at least 1 half court attempt per game. Did you watched the video, is the man on the video bad shooter? or maybe you believe he suddenly, overnight became good shooter? Anyway, white, chubby, unathletic, slow Euro is doing whatever he wants against athletic marvels from the USA. Priceless.

No need to reply, I’m done here.

I doubt you are done for some reason

I specifically said props for him for the step backs. I always thought he is a good shooter, just wasn't impressed from what I saw on those step backs in Europe. Above clip has ACB games too and I have watched him mostly in Euroleague. It's so much different watching someone live. On highlights everyone is a legend.

Actually thinking about it now, I probably was not that high on him, as I have watched him a few years ago when he wasn't that special. He improved. Who would have thought pre-draft that Ayton will start regressing 20 games into his professional career. Though I think losing and the coaching has something to do with it in addition to the lack of personality.

I really have to answer on that. He was 17 years old few years ago, playing against professionals, who happened to be Euroleague legends, ex Nba players and ex NCAA superstars all in their prime. I don’t know what you expected from the school kid playing against them.

Now I’m done.

[sunsbg]

If you’re shooting only difficult step backs and pull-ups your % will never be high and not many players are having at least 1 half court attempt per game. Did you watched the video, is the man on the video bad shooter? or maybe you believe he suddenly, overnight became good shooter? Anyway, white, chubby, unathletic, slow Euro is doing whatever he wants against athletic marvels from the USA. Priceless.

No need to reply, I’m done here.

I doubt you are done for some reason

I specifically said props for him for the step backs. I always thought he is a good shooter, just wasn't impressed from what I saw on those step backs in Europe. Above clip has ACB games too and I have watched him mostly in Euroleague. It's so much different watching someone live. On highlights everyone is a legend.

Actually thinking about it now, I probably was not that high on him, as I have watched him a few years ago when he wasn't that special. He improved. Who would have thought pre-draft that Ayton will start regressing 20 games into his professional career. Though I think losing and the coaching has something to do with it in addition to the lack of personality.

I really have to answer on that. He was 17 years old few years ago, playing against professionals, who happened to be Euroleague legends, ex Nba players and ex NCAA superstars all in their prime. I don’t know what you expected from the school kid playing against them.

Now I’m done.

No, you are not

Just saying that I remember him when he was not the player he's now, which may have led me to being lower on him than the usual fan. If Ayton starts caring I still have some hope the gap will not be that big.

[bwgood77]

Luka has outplayed Ayton sure but does he have as good a rookie season he's having now if he was on our team?

Also we don't know how effective Holmes is playing starter minutes. Love his energy and hustle off the bench in about 20mpg but starting is a different beast

He leads the Mavs in 4th Q points, is one of the best ( % wise players) in the entire NBA in clutch points. Has hit more step back 3's than the next 23 teams and is hitting over 41% on his own pull up shots, which is also up there with the superstars. He is averaging almost 7rbs per game with DJ ( who is gunning for those rebounds like his life depends of it ) and 4 assists by not even playing a traditional PG at 19yo and a coach who runs 0 plays for him.

Yes, i would bet he would be close to 22-25ppg and 6-8apg and would make insanely good 1-2 punch with Booker, while TJ providing backup scoring. Don't know who the center would be, but Holmes looks great and i think there was some talk that Suns would go after Robinson at 16.
Also with Booker being out so much, Suns would probably only have 4-5 more wins, but i guess that would be enough ,to at least, have some confidence going forward and maybe a good indicator that FA's would actually want to sign here for reasonable amount of money.

Props to Luka for hitting those step back 3's. If he was doing it on Real I would have been for selecting him with the 1st pick. Good I'm winning some money from him winning the ROY now.

Ayton is reaching JJ's territory, where you want to defend him, but simply can't. How much time before he is diagnosed with Fultz's disease ? I have no idea what's wrong with these people, what kind of mental issue this is. You are the Nr 1 pick and behave like some utter scrub.

Now that I finally criticized him, let's hope he goes out there and shows some passion.

He did do it at Real. Edit: I see this was answered.

I also think his 3pt fg% suffered for much the same reason Booker's does now...he was being trapped and guarded by multiple players, and they let defenders beat you up over there....here light touching is a foul.

Plus I thought the longer 3 pt line and bigger court would help him get more open space, because you knew he had range. Also playing with better players doesn't allow opposition to solely focus on him.

[Revived]

Trailing 36-9 at the end of the first quarter, the Suns fell behind by as many as 35 in the second, 53-18.
That’s their largest deficit of the season.
“This is my first time being in a situation like that,” Ayton said. “I’ve never been in that situation before where you’re down by that much in the first quarter.”

Whatever.

Someone ought to ask him why losing follows him everywhere he goes whether it’s college, the pros and iirc even high school & AAU.

[sunsbg]

Trailing 36-9 at the end of the first quarter, the Suns fell behind by as many as 35 in the second, 53-18.
That’s their largest deficit of the season.
“This is my first time being in a situation like that,” Ayton said. “I’ve never been in that situation before where you’re down by that much in the first quarter.”

Whatever.

Someone ought to ask him why losing follows him everywhere he goes whether it’s college, the pros and iirc even high school & AAU.

While true, it's still unfair question to a rookie. A winning culture may transform him into the player all fans hoped he will turn into.

[handsome salary]

Whatever.

Someone ought to ask him why losing follows him everywhere he goes whether it’s college, the pros and iirc even high school & AAU.

While true, it's still unfair question to a rookie. A winning culture may transform him into the player all fans hoped he will turn into.

Or maybe the player(s) should transform the culture into a winning one. It is kinda expected of you being the first pick.

Not going to pin all this losing on just him. This team can't rise above bottom with all the players playing but his instincts, feel and drive for the game he has shown is quite a problem for one considered a cornerstone.

[sunsbg]

Someone ought to ask him why losing follows him everywhere he goes whether it’s college, the pros and iirc even high school & AAU.

While true, it's still unfair question to a rookie. A winning culture may transform him into the player all fans hoped he will turn into.

Or maybe the player(s) should transform the culture into a winning one. It is kinda expected of you being the first pick.

Not going to pin all this losing on just him. This team can't rise above bottom with all the players playing but his instincts, feel and drive for the game he has shown is quite a problem for one considered a cornerstone.

It's a bit like the chicken and the egg. Just need him to be one of the 1-3 options on a winning team. I agree, doesn't look like a 1st option at all.

[bwgood77]

Someone ought to ask him why losing follows him everywhere he goes whether it’s college, the pros and iirc even high school & AAU.

While true, it's still unfair question to a rookie. A winning culture may transform him into the player all fans hoped he will turn into.

Or maybe the player(s) should transform the culture into a winning one. It is kinda expected of you being the first pick.

Not going to pin all this losing on just him. This team can't rise above bottom with all the players playing but his instincts, feel and drive for the game he has shown is quite a problem for one considered a cornerstone.

Of course the losing isn't all on him. He's still one of our best players. We have no roster and only 4 players who are not rookies healthy right now, and they are not exactly top tier players (Ariza, Holmes, Crawford and Jackson). I mean the latter two rank very low in metrics. So without Booker and Warren, we really only have Ariza and Holmes who are playing NBA caliber basketball, and Ariza has been fairly disappointing.

Before TJ and Booker went down we were competing against some good teams...should have beat Boston, played Philly and Toronto tough, beat the Bucks, etc.

[handsome salary]

Of course the losing isn't all on him. He's still one of our best players. We have no roster and only 4 players who are not rookies healthy right now, and they are not exactly top tier players (Ariza, Holmes, Crawford and Jackson). I mean the latter two rank very low in metrics. So without Booker and Warren, we really only have Ariza and Holmes who are playing NBA caliber basketball, and Ariza has been fairly disappointing.

Before TJ and Booker went down we were competing against some good teams...should have beat Boston, played Philly and Toronto tough, beat the Bucks, etc.

Even with the first draft pick it can be a crap shoot. Look at how many great to godly players were taken 1st in the past twenty years and how many others were taken later on in the draft.

As it's been pointed out before though, you're playing the big guys now and getting paid like a main man. Being a wuss is not good.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

While true, it's still unfair question to a rookie. A winning culture may transform him into the player all fans hoped he will turn into.

Or maybe the player(s) should transform the culture into a winning one. It is kinda expected of you being the first pick.

Not going to pin all this losing on just him. This team can't rise above bottom with all the players playing but his instincts, feel and drive for the game he has shown is quite a problem for one considered a cornerstone.

Of course the losing isn't all on him. He's still one of our best players. We have no roster and only 4 players who are not rookies healthy right now, and they are not exactly top tier players (Ariza, Holmes, Crawford and Jackson). I mean the latter two rank very low in metrics. So without Booker and Warren, we really only have Ariza and Holmes who are playing NBA caliber basketball, and Ariza has been fairly disappointing.

Before TJ and Booker went down we were competing against some good teams...should have beat Boston, played Philly and Toronto tough, beat the Bucks, etc.

It's depth we need more than anything. I hope Melton secures rotation PT because then we will have seven: Booker/Bridges/Ariza/Warren/Ayton/Melton/Holmes. Keep this group and add to them. If we can get solid depth down to the 10th/11th man, we'll be fine. That may mean moving on from Josh Jackson.

[lilfishi22]

If we took Luka, we would be starting Holmes for about 35mins a night. Theres your rim protector right there.

We most definitely would be in a better situation right now. Too early to tell about the where we would be in the future, but Luka has outplayed Ayton so far.

Luka has outplayed Ayton sure but does he have as good a rookie season he's having now if he was on our team?

Also we don't know how effective Holmes is playing starter minutes. Love his energy and hustle off the bench in about 20mpg but starting is a different beast

He leads the Mavs in 4th Q points, is one of the best ( % wise players) in the entire NBA in clutch points. Has hit more step back 3's than the next 23 teams and is hitting over 41% on his own pull up shots, which is also up there with the superstars. He is averaging almost 7rbs per game with DJ ( who is gunning for those rebounds like his life depends of it ) and 4 assists by not even playing a traditional PG at 19yo and a coach who runs 0 plays for him.

Yes, i would bet he would be close to 22-25ppg and 6-8apg and would make insanely good 1-2 punch with Booker, while TJ providing backup scoring. Don't know who the center would be, but Holmes looks great and i think there was some talk that Suns would go after Robinson at 16.
Also with Booker being out so much, Suns would probably only have 4-5 more wins, but i guess that would be enough ,to at least, have some confidence going forward and maybe a good indicator that FA's would actually want to sign here for reasonable amount of money.

Having a complete team and having another offensive perimeter threat really helps give him the freedom to do those fancy things. With Ayton, he has no one who really sets him up consistently, we're not shooting the ball very well from the 3 (#25 in the league) to properly stretch the floor for him and we only have one threat from the perimeter that can generate offense for himself and the team (Booker).

The Mavs have a bunch of guys like who can create their own offense like Barnes, DSJ, Luka and Barea (#1 in the league in AST%). And probably as important and if not most important, they have a guy like DAJ who can protect the rim behind DSJ and Luka. They don't have a super star but they have a VERY balanced team and they have guys who make things easier for Luka to maximise his current skill set. I honestly didn't think the Mavs would be that good but man, they just have a bunch of guys who know how to play and play as a team. DSJ is really the only guy on the team that still needs to learn the team game.

[lilfishi22]

Just stop it Arch.... there is no convincing stat or observation or opinion you can put out there to deter this Ayton love that an ever shrinking group have. It goes deeper than just Luka vs Ayton. Its the Im right youre wong internet ego at stake. Its the UoA homer club. It runs rampant here. How dare anyone blame this 'Kid'... he's just a 'kid' ... C's take longer to develop.... We have no point guard (IE not his fault)... Its the coach's fault.... Sarver is a baffoon... the excuses will not end.

Haha you're a funny dude, i like reading your posts, that's for sure

But yeah, was just answering Fishi, he was questioning if Luka could have any impact on Suns and well in my opinion, he would have a much greater impact. He is a fighter at least and cares deeply about winning. And it also changes the locker room mentality when you have a rookie who will give 100% every night while also being your best scorer/player.

Like you said, for now, it looks like Suns F'ckd up but i sure as hell, as a fan, hope they can turn it around. But at this point i believe tanking season is already in full effect.

Never said he wouldn't have an impact. I said he wouldn't have as much of an impact than he is having with a more balanced and experienced Mavs team.