Delly, Henson, 1st/2nd and Rodzilla for Hill/Dekker - Dekker to Wiz For Smith/Second POLL ADDED

GB_Packers · Post #441 » by **GB_Packers** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 5:14 am

Very good trade. Legit backup point guard and a big that can step out and hit the three. Dekker would’ve been cool for the state connection but eh, not much beyond that.

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AussieBuck · Post #442 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 5:15 am

**** great trade. Takes the edge off the loss

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bucksfansince88 · Post #443 » by **bucksfansince88** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 5:22 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
skones wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:actually screw the farewell, ill be back from time to time

keep your eyes on the cavs scores and enjoy trying to score 120pts to win playoff games

Dont care if this gif has already been posted.

the bucks are currently losing at home without delly

Don’t leave us Rodzilla

WiscoKing13 · Post #444 » by **WiscoKing13** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 6:24 am

Just went through the last 15 pages. I would like to inform everyone we got George Hill for the 2018 and 2019 season.

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Post #445 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 6:35 am

Didn't vote on the letter grade until I can see what we do with the salary flexibility. Give it an incomplete for now. George Hill is a nice player but he's really lost a lot the past two years. Jason Smith is terrible.

This whole trade is all about what they do before the trade deadline and then next July.

WiscoKing13 · Post #446 » by **WiscoKing13** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 6:41 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Didn't vote on the letter grade until I can see what we do with the salary flexibility. Give it an incomplete for now. George Hill is a nice player but he's really lost a lot the past two years. Jason Smith is terrible.

This whole trade is all about what they do before the trade deadline and then next July.

Hou traded off Andersons contract for knights corpse. Getting a useful player now is helpful not only on the floor but at the deadline. Butler might be in hou if they had a useful player and not knight

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Post #447 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 6:45 am

WiscoKing13 wrote: Getting a useful player now is helpful not only on the floor but at the deadline.

Hill gives you the flexibility to trade Brogdon. At least for this season. A Brogdon/Middleton package can now go on the market if they so desired to do so.

You could at least talk about that pairing for Beal and not have WA hang the phone up.

ETA: Went to the trade machine and put in some combinations. It actually is really hard to make a trade of Middleton and Brogdon for Beal work. Even adding Thon and DJ doesn't send out enough salary. And if you added Snell, then we'd be crazy weak at SF.

trwi7 · Post #448 » by **trwi7** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 7:36 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote: Getting a useful player now is helpful not only on the floor but at the deadline.

Hill gives you the flexibility to trade Brogdon. At least for this season. A Brogdon/Middleton package can now go on the market if they so desired to do so.

You could at least talk about that pairing for Beal and not have WA hang the phone up.

ETA: Went to the trade machine and put in some combinations. It actually is really hard to make a trade of Middleton and Brogdon for Beal work. Even adding Thon and DJ doesn't send out enough salary. And if you added Snell, then we'd be crazy weak at SF.

Yeah, that's the problem adding Snell. :lol:

Ayt · Post #449 » by **Ayt** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 7:52 am

How could Washinton say no to a trade sending out a cost controlled Beal for two free agents that would walk?

TradeAddict · Post #450 » by **TradeAddict** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 8:47 am

Ayt wrote:How could Washinton say no to a trade sending out a cost controlled Beal for two free agents that would walk?

You just need to give them their 2nd back and then awkwardly sell them on how high that pick will be.

slos · Post #451 » by **slos** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:21 am

tski1972 wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
tski1972 wrote:Bucks get Wizards 2020 2nd fully instead of protected.

Source on this? Not distrusting you, actually want the source.

official press release...

https://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-acquire-george-hill-and-jason-smith-three-team-deal-cleveland-and-washington

Here it says that protection are removed from 2020 WAS 2nd and Bucks are getting also CLE 2021 2nd. That said we cleared Henson and Delly with our 2021 1st and ended up swaping our 2021 2nds with CLE (which will be a better pick for the Bucks). Right?

drone3 · Post #452 » by **drone3** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:44 am

Really solid trade, on ya Horst!

Fotis St · Post #453 » by **Fotis St** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 12:08 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:Not sure they needed to trade Dekker for Jason Smith. Team seems to refuse to have a 3/4 forward on the roster. Just re-sign Zeller if you need a replacement level mook.

Yeah, I would not trade Dekker that quick. I think having Dekker could make Ersan tradeable. Anyway, so happy I won't see Henson smiles when we are down 5 and 5 seconds left. This dude just stole multiple millions from Bucks Org and the check should be sent to freaking Hammond .... eh he drafted Giannis, I guess all are forgiven.

aboveAverage · Post #454 » by **aboveAverage** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 12:22 pm

Really nice trade by Horsty. Freed up cap space by getting rid of two awful contracts and even managed to get useful players in return. Hill will really help when Brogdon is struggling. And Jason Smith should ensure that Thon never sees the court again. That's huge because Thon is probably the worst player in the NBA.

jmart762 · Post #455 » by **jmart762** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 12:27 pm

I'll never forget you, John. One of my most memorable experiences was during the tank year. Miserable team, down big in the third quarter to the Klove and KMartin wolves, and it just happens to be John henson's birthday (which the bucks didn't even acknowledge during the game lol). I got scolded by the "security" for trying to stand up and start singing happy birthday to him. Reporting and complaining about that got me free tickets lol. Thanks John, and Happy birthday.

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Fotis St · Post #456 » by **Fotis St** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 12:41 pm

Ayt wrote:
kid idioteque wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:For those who downgrade the trade because we had to add draft picks, how the hell do you trade Delly and Henson with their terrible contracts but not add picks? You don't.

Once again, paying to get out of your own bad contracts shouldn't be celebrated. Horst was Hammond's protege, it's not like his hands are clean here.

Blaming Horst for things Hammond did is dumb.

PP25 was on spot about evaluating Horst. We created space to do what ? If he did it to resign Khris on 35M per than as Greeks say "He tried to make a hole in the water"...

Chapter29 · Post #457 » by **Chapter29** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 1:35 pm

This trade for me really has 2 parts, the players / team for this year and of course more so this offseason.

The main driver of this was definitely this offseason and cap flexibility. What we do with that flexibility will ultimately determine whether or not this was a good trade or not. Paying a late first to get rid of these guys sucks but we knew that was the price.

The more important part for me, right now, is how will these players help us win games?

Hill looks like he may still have something left in the tank at least offensively. I think he can run the offense a little and hopefully be a good addition shooting the 3 ball for us. We need the help on that front. He seems like a good fit outside of his defense.

Smith looks to be a smarter acquisition over Dekker as we really take a bit of a hit with no Henson and more Maker. Insurance and a little shooting at C for us.

drone3 · Post #458 » by **drone3** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 1:44 pm

Watch on YouTube

Mags FTW · Post #459 » by **Mags FTW** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 1:53 pm

Haven’t read much of this thread since the 2nd move for Smith. His peak years are similar to Mike Muscala. I’m guessing Bud tries to unlock that again.

Pachinko_ · Post #460 » by **Pachinko_** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 1:55 pm

Chapter29 wrote:The more important part for me, right now, is how will these players help us win games?

They won't, it's just a salary dump. Paying for past mistakes with draft picks.

Personally I'd rather the billionaires would man up and pay the tax. But I don't understand the CBA (and not interested to understand it) so maybe it wasn't possible.

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