2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

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Who do you think are the best two rookies?

Ayton
147
18%
Bagley
12
1%
Bamba
6
1%
Carter
15
2%
Doncic
424
51%
Gilgeous-Alexander
18
2%
Jackson
159
19%
Knox
18
2%
Sexton
6
1%
Young
20
2%
 
Total votes: 825

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#601 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:56 am

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Then it probably meant it was unfortunate for them because they were playing against him


I’m not sure if ceiling and 1 game has much in common. I believe Luka was Joerger’s choice before the draft. And Luka saying, he expected they would drafted him, means, there was very close call. Divac should have drafted him and at least get something for trading him like Atlanta. Risk was minimum.


Yeah because Luka said they went to dinner together couple of times in Madrid and he fully expected to be playing for the Kings this season. I really wonder what's going on in their draft room.

But with that being said, i still believe Bagley was a good choice. I mean Fox/Hield/Luka would be insanely scarey lineup in a season or two.. or even this season. But once Bagley develops, he can greatly help them even as a role player.


You don’t draft role player with pick #2. And like I said, they at least could get 2019 first round pick too, which they don’t have, for Luka. Very unlikely that Bagley would have gone before Mavs. To be very lucky in the lottery and then came out with “only” Bagley is a bit underwhelmed. Bagley+2019 pick would have looked much better and it was very realistic outcome. Even if they had drafted Luka and they somehow hadn’t seen him as a great fit after 30 games, they would have gotten a fortune for him now.
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Post#602 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:26 am

You obviously havent watched Bagley at all. I have watched every game Bagley has played in as a King and he is REALLY good and gets better in every game he plays. It wont be underwhelming when Bagkey is averaging 20+ and 10+ for the next decade.

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Post#603 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:38 am

IamHim wrote:You obviously havent watched Bagley at all. I have watched every game Bagley has played in as a King and he is REALLY good and gets better in every game he plays. It wont be underwhelming when Bagkey is averaging 20+ and 10+ for the next decade.

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what if you for start read everything that I have written? underwhelming in a sense that they had great position to get Bagley + something. I don’t believe anybody else in top5 would have drafted him. And even today, do you believe that Luka’s and Bagley’s trade value is the same?
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#604 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:42 am

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IamHim wrote:You obviously havent watched Bagley at all. I have watched every game Bagley has played in as a King and he is REALLY good and gets better in every game he plays. It wont be underwhelming when Bagkey is averaging 20+ and 10+ for the next decade.

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what if you for start read everything that I have written? underwhelming in a sense that they had great position to get Bagley + something. I don’t believe anybody else in top5 would have drafted him.
Well then you believe wrong because he was the consensus 2A/2B on draft boards buddy

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#605 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:47 am

IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:You obviously havent watched Bagley at all. I have watched every game Bagley has played in as a King and he is REALLY good and gets better in every game he plays. It wont be underwhelming when Bagkey is averaging 20+ and 10+ for the next decade.

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what if you for start read everything that I have written? underwhelming in a sense that they had great position to get Bagley + something. I don’t believe anybody else in top5 would have drafted him.
Well then you believe wrong because he was the consensus 2A/2B on draft boards buddy

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which draft boards? Atlanta was fully committed to Trae, Memphis to JJJ and Dallas to Luka. Others even don’t matter.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#606 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:51 am

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IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
what if you for start read everything that I have written? underwhelming in a sense that they had great position to get Bagley + something. I don’t believe anybody else in top5 would have drafted him.
Well then you believe wrong because he was the consensus 2A/2B on draft boards buddy

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which draft boards? Atlanta was fully committed to Trae, Memphis to JJJ and Dallas to Luka. Others even don’t matter.
Yes they were fully commited... because Bagley was off the board because they knew the Kings were taking him and he wouldn't fall to them. Derp!

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#607 » by Alonzo_Morning » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:52 am

Jazztop wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Is truly astonishing at how awful the Kings are at drafting. After having nearly a decades worth of lottery picks, they've managed to piss away each and every one. It's almost impressive

Cauley-Stein = solid for a #6 pick.
Hield = could project into an elite shooter but starting to look good for a #7. Another good pick.
Bogdanovic = another really nice looking shooter
Fox = looks the best of the 2017 guard class
Bagley = starting to really look good. Also kind of hard to draft Doncic when he says he has no intention of signing a contract with them.

That is some solid work and 4 out of the 5 are guard/wings which are in high demand.


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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#608 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:57 am

IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:Well then you believe wrong because he was the consensus 2A/2B on draft boards buddy

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which draft boards? Atlanta was fully committed to Trae, Memphis to JJJ and Dallas to Luka. Others even don’t matter.
Yes they were fully commited... because Bagley was off the board because they knew the Kings were taking him and he wouldn't fall to them. Derp!

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why then Dallas didn’t offer a trade for Bagley to the Kings? ;) Atlanta needed Pg, because Schroder was gone even before the draft and GM wanted to repeat Warriors story anyway. Only Memphis could have maybe taken Bagley, but it has looked like they were very satisfied with JJJ. Magic had Doncic and then Trae in their list. Bagley could have easily felt to 7-8. Not necessarily of course. But being second in this draft was very good position for getting something extra. Bagley is o.k for sure, but ...;)
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#609 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:20 pm

Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
which draft boards? Atlanta was fully committed to Trae, Memphis to JJJ and Dallas to Luka. Others even don’t matter.
Yes they were fully commited... because Bagley was off the board because they knew the Kings were taking him and he wouldn't fall to them. Derp!

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why then Dallas didn’t offer a trade for Bagley to the Kings? ;) Atlanta needed Pg, because Schroder was gone even before the draft and GM wanted to repeat Warriors story anyway. Only Memphis could have maybe taken Bagley, but it has looked like they were very satisfied with JJJ. Magic had Doncic and then Trae in their list. Bagley could have easily felt to 7-8. Not necessarily of course. But being second in this draft was very good position for getting something extra. Bagley is o.k for sure, but ...;)
Dude. For real? First off, we dont know if Dallas called Sacramento and talked trade. And from all reports coming out Sacramento was locked in to Bagley as the pick. Many, MANY mocks had Bagley going 2nd. Nbadraft.net, CBS sports, Yahoo to name a few. Bagley wouldn't have fallen to 7 or 8, that's nonsense. The only reason those other teams had who they had on their board is because THEY ALL KNEW BAGLEY WOULD BE OFF THE BOARD. Do you understand yet? The Kings couldnt trade down BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD SAY OH LOOK WHAT I FOUND and Bagley would have been gone. And Bagley has not just been OK lol. Look at his numbers. Look at his impact. Look at his per 36. The Kings are still bringing him along slowly like they did with Fox last year. I heard everyone say the same **** about Fox. Look at him now. I'm listening to you all say the same **** about Bagley. You want that crow medium rare or well done?

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#610 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:26 pm

IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:Yes they were fully commited... because Bagley was off the board because they knew the Kings were taking him and he wouldn't fall to them. Derp!

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why then Dallas didn’t offer a trade for Bagley to the Kings? ;) Atlanta needed Pg, because Schroder was gone even before the draft and GM wanted to repeat Warriors story anyway. Only Memphis could have maybe taken Bagley, but it has looked like they were very satisfied with JJJ. Magic had Doncic and then Trae in their list. Bagley could have easily felt to 7-8. Not necessarily of course. But being second in this draft was very good position for getting something extra. Bagley is o.k for sure, but ...;)
Dude. For real? First off, we dont know if Dallas called Sacramento and talked trade. And from all reports coming out Sacramento was locked in to Bagley as the pick. Many, MANY mocks had Bagley going 2nd. Nbadraft.net, CBS sports, Yahoo to name a few. Bagley wouldn't have fallen to 7 or 8, that's nonsense. The only reason those other teams had who they had on their board is because THEY ALL KNEW BAGLEY WOULD BE OFF THE BOARD. Do you understand yet? The Kings couldnt trade down BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD SAY OH LOOK WHAT I FOUND and Bagley would have been gone. And Bagley has not just been OK lol. Look at his numbers. Look at his impact. Look at his per 36. The Kings are still bringing him along slowly like they did with Fox last year. I heard everyone say the same **** about Fox. Look at him now. I'm listening to you all say the same **** about Bagley. You want that crow medium rare or well done?

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I see you didn’t get my point, but nice to see that you’re very satisfied with your pick.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#611 » by Archx » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:30 pm

IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:Yes they were fully commited... because Bagley was off the board because they knew the Kings were taking him and he wouldn't fall to them. Derp!

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why then Dallas didn’t offer a trade for Bagley to the Kings? ;) Atlanta needed Pg, because Schroder was gone even before the draft and GM wanted to repeat Warriors story anyway. Only Memphis could have maybe taken Bagley, but it has looked like they were very satisfied with JJJ. Magic had Doncic and then Trae in their list. Bagley could have easily felt to 7-8. Not necessarily of course. But being second in this draft was very good position for getting something extra. Bagley is o.k for sure, but ...;)
Dude. For real? First off, we dont know if Dallas called Sacramento and talked trade. And from all reports coming out Sacramento was locked in to Bagley as the pick. Many, MANY mocks had Bagley going 2nd. Nbadraft.net, CBS sports, Yahoo to name a few. Bagley wouldn't have fallen to 7 or 8, that's nonsense. The only reason those other teams had who they had on their board is because THEY ALL KNEW BAGLEY WOULD BE OFF THE BOARD. Do you understand yet? The Kings couldnt trade down BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD SAY OH LOOK WHAT I FOUND and Bagley would have been gone. And Bagley has not just been OK lol. Look at his numbers. Look at his impact. Look at his per 36. The Kings are still bringing him along slowly like they did with Fox last year. I heard everyone say the same **** about Fox. Look at him now. I'm listening to you all say the same **** about Bagley. You want that crow medium rare or well done?

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Why are you so angry though? :D

This years draft was full of confusion and weird player choices afterwards. I'm not saying teams drafted bad but at least in top5 there were a lot of different scenarios floating around that made much more sense.... Even if you look at the top3 picks. Divac/Vivek visited Doncic multiple times, it was reported that Suns owner was at the final 4 euroleague tournament also watching Luka and he wanted him. MEM were basically the only team who we knew that they would take JJJ, others were up in the air. It's funny to look back how things turned out... I mean even Doncic thought he would go to Kings, there was no 100% certainty that Bagley was a lock for 2. It was only after that, now famous meme, that Bagley can jump fast 2 TIMES IN A ROW, when people started believing that they will draft him. You can argue that at least 3 teams made a bad choice after a bad choice but it is what it is. And lucky for those teams, all players play good enough to make us believe that they can turn out to be something really good in the future.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#612 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:31 pm

Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
why then Dallas didn’t offer a trade for Bagley to the Kings? ;) Atlanta needed Pg, because Schroder was gone even before the draft and GM wanted to repeat Warriors story anyway. Only Memphis could have maybe taken Bagley, but it has looked like they were very satisfied with JJJ. Magic had Doncic and then Trae in their list. Bagley could have easily felt to 7-8. Not necessarily of course. But being second in this draft was very good position for getting something extra. Bagley is o.k for sure, but ...;)
Dude. For real? First off, we dont know if Dallas called Sacramento and talked trade. And from all reports coming out Sacramento was locked in to Bagley as the pick. Many, MANY mocks had Bagley going 2nd. Nbadraft.net, CBS sports, Yahoo to name a few. Bagley wouldn't have fallen to 7 or 8, that's nonsense. The only reason those other teams had who they had on their board is because THEY ALL KNEW BAGLEY WOULD BE OFF THE BOARD. Do you understand yet? The Kings couldnt trade down BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD SAY OH LOOK WHAT I FOUND and Bagley would have been gone. And Bagley has not just been OK lol. Look at his numbers. Look at his impact. Look at his per 36. The Kings are still bringing him along slowly like they did with Fox last year. I heard everyone say the same **** about Fox. Look at him now. I'm listening to you all say the same **** about Bagley. You want that crow medium rare or well done?

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I see you didn’t get my point, but nice to see that you’re very satisfied with your pick.
You didnt make a good point. You threw out some scenarios that precluded Bagley being passed up by other teams. First of all, every team picking after Sacramento had Bagley OFF the board. So he wasnt on their boards for that reason. So let's say you move Sacramento down to #8. Everyone else bumps up 1 spot. Bagley doesnt go past Memphis at 4. Why? Because Bagley was seen as the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.

Your problem is 2 fold. You are a HUGE Doncic fan so you are wearing the Doncic glasses that he should have gone #1 ( and he probably should have seeing as how Phoenix desperately needs a playmaker more than they need Ayton). And the second problem is you are using hindsight. Hindsight is a dangerous thing.

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#613 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:43 pm

Archx wrote:
IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
why then Dallas didn’t offer a trade for Bagley to the Kings? ;) Atlanta needed Pg, because Schroder was gone even before the draft and GM wanted to repeat Warriors story anyway. Only Memphis could have maybe taken Bagley, but it has looked like they were very satisfied with JJJ. Magic had Doncic and then Trae in their list. Bagley could have easily felt to 7-8. Not necessarily of course. But being second in this draft was very good position for getting something extra. Bagley is o.k for sure, but ...;)
Dude. For real? First off, we dont know if Dallas called Sacramento and talked trade. And from all reports coming out Sacramento was locked in to Bagley as the pick. Many, MANY mocks had Bagley going 2nd. Nbadraft.net, CBS sports, Yahoo to name a few. Bagley wouldn't have fallen to 7 or 8, that's nonsense. The only reason those other teams had who they had on their board is because THEY ALL KNEW BAGLEY WOULD BE OFF THE BOARD. Do you understand yet? The Kings couldnt trade down BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD SAY OH LOOK WHAT I FOUND and Bagley would have been gone. And Bagley has not just been OK lol. Look at his numbers. Look at his impact. Look at his per 36. The Kings are still bringing him along slowly like they did with Fox last year. I heard everyone say the same **** about Fox. Look at him now. I'm listening to you all say the same **** about Bagley. You want that crow medium rare or well done?

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Why are you so angry though? :D

This years draft was full of confusion and weird player choices afterwards. I'm not saying teams drafted bad but at least in top5 there were a lot of different scenarios floating around that made much more sense.... Even if you look at the top3 picks. Divac/Vivek visited Doncic multiple times, it was reported that Suns owner was at the final 4 euroleague tournament also watching Luka and he wanted him. MEM were basically the only team who we knew that they would take JJJ, others were up in the air. It's funny to look back how things turned out... I mean even Doncic thought he would go to Kings, there was no 100% certainty that Bagley was a lock for 2. It was only after that, now famous meme, that Bagley can jump fast 2 TIMES IN A ROW, when people started believing that they will draft him. You can argue that at least 3 teams made a bad choice after a bad choice but it is what it is. And lucky for those teams, all players play good enough to make us believe that they can turn out to be something really good in the future.
Stupidity really annoys me. I'm not mad tho. Just trying to make a point demonstrably.

Bob8 has posted in one thread and one thread religiously. This one. Putting up Doncic and putting down anyone else. Last year in this thread it was fans of Mitchell mad that Simmons was given rookie eligibility and passive aggressively taking shots at that and there were Lonzo Ball fans actively taking shots at the other pgs taken in the draft.

This thread is always one of the more heated threads because people spew garbage takes to put down other rookies in pursuit of making their case for their favorite rookie. I just think its pathetic to blatantly make crap up so you can make your case for your rookie (not you you, generalized you).

People really are still talking bad about Bagley and honestly he has been the best #2 pick in the past like 7 or 8 years. He has been really really good. Shoots a high percentage. Grabs a ton of boards. Looks fluid on offense. Gives effort on defense. He is not a finished product, or even close to it. I'm just sick of the narrative that in order to talk good about "your guy" you need to make up some bull about "the other guy".

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#614 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:43 pm

IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:Dude. For real? First off, we dont know if Dallas called Sacramento and talked trade. And from all reports coming out Sacramento was locked in to Bagley as the pick. Many, MANY mocks had Bagley going 2nd. Nbadraft.net, CBS sports, Yahoo to name a few. Bagley wouldn't have fallen to 7 or 8, that's nonsense. The only reason those other teams had who they had on their board is because THEY ALL KNEW BAGLEY WOULD BE OFF THE BOARD. Do you understand yet? The Kings couldnt trade down BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD SAY OH LOOK WHAT I FOUND and Bagley would have been gone. And Bagley has not just been OK lol. Look at his numbers. Look at his impact. Look at his per 36. The Kings are still bringing him along slowly like they did with Fox last year. I heard everyone say the same **** about Fox. Look at him now. I'm listening to you all say the same **** about Bagley. You want that crow medium rare or well done?

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I see you didn’t get my point, but nice to see that you’re very satisfied with your pick.
You didnt make a good point. You threw out some scenarios that precluded Bagley being passed up by other teams. First of all, every team picking after Sacramento had Bagley OFF the board. So he wasnt on their boards for that reason. So let's say you move Sacramento down to #8. Everyone else bumps up 1 spot. Bagley doesnt go past Memphis at 4. Why? Because Bagley was seen as the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.

Your problem is 2 fold. You are a HUGE Doncic fan so you are wearing the Doncic glasses that he should have gone #1 ( and he probably should have seeing as how Phoenix desperately needs a playmaker more than they need Ayton). And the second problem is you are using hindsight. Hindsight is a dangerous thing.

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It’s not that complicated. If Kings would have taken Luka, the most realistic scenario would be,

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. Bagley and a trade with Kings for Luka. Kings get Bagley + 2019 first round pick. Mavs Luka.

Lets say Memphis surprises and takes Bagley. Kings gets JJJ + 2019 first round pick from Mavs or if they for some strange reason really don’t like JJJ, they have Luka. So Luka was worst case scenario for the Kings. I say that’s really incredible good position to be in the draft. It really is not important, if Bagley was the best choice for the Kings, because Bagley + 2019 Mavs pick is for sure better than Bagley alone and that’s my point.

Please show me, where I said anything bad about Bagley?
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#615 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:49 pm

Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
I see you didn’t get my point, but nice to see that you’re very satisfied with your pick.
You didnt make a good point. You threw out some scenarios that precluded Bagley being passed up by other teams. First of all, every team picking after Sacramento had Bagley OFF the board. So he wasnt on their boards for that reason. So let's say you move Sacramento down to #8. Everyone else bumps up 1 spot. Bagley doesnt go past Memphis at 4. Why? Because Bagley was seen as the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.

Your problem is 2 fold. You are a HUGE Doncic fan so you are wearing the Doncic glasses that he should have gone #1 ( and he probably should have seeing as how Phoenix desperately needs a playmaker more than they need Ayton). And the second problem is you are using hindsight. Hindsight is a dangerous thing.

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It’s not that complicated. If Kings would have taken Luka, the most realistic scenario would be,

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. Bagley and a trade with Kings for Luka. Kings get Bagley + 2019 first round pick. Mavs Luka.

Lets say Memphis surprises and takes Bagley. Kings gets JJJ + 2019 first round pick from Mavs or if they for some strange reason really don’t like JJJ, they have Luka. So Luka was worst case scenario for the Kings. I say that’s really incredible good position to be in the draft.
OR the Kings could have just drafted their guy and walked away happy about it, kinda like they did. If any teams should be hindsighting this draft it should be Arlanta and Phoenix.

The Kings have a good record. Dallas has a good record, Memphis has a good record. None of those teams are looking back at the draft and wondering "gee if only we would have made a different pick, maybe our record would be better right now...."

You see the point I am trying to make here? The Kings got their guy and are looking to the future. It's only you who is talking as if Bagley has reached his ceiling and wont get any better and the Kings are upset they drafted him and could have done better. It's not the Kings that think that way. They are crying themselves to sleep with a winning record right now and playoff hopes when they wake up.

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#616 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:56 pm

IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:You didnt make a good point. You threw out some scenarios that precluded Bagley being passed up by other teams. First of all, every team picking after Sacramento had Bagley OFF the board. So he wasnt on their boards for that reason. So let's say you move Sacramento down to #8. Everyone else bumps up 1 spot. Bagley doesnt go past Memphis at 4. Why? Because Bagley was seen as the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.

Your problem is 2 fold. You are a HUGE Doncic fan so you are wearing the Doncic glasses that he should have gone #1 ( and he probably should have seeing as how Phoenix desperately needs a playmaker more than they need Ayton). And the second problem is you are using hindsight. Hindsight is a dangerous thing.

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It’s not that complicated. If Kings would have taken Luka, the most realistic scenario would be,

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. Bagley and a trade with Kings for Luka. Kings get Bagley + 2019 first round pick. Mavs Luka.

Lets say Memphis surprises and takes Bagley. Kings gets JJJ + 2019 first round pick from Mavs or if they for some strange reason really don’t like JJJ, they have Luka. So Luka was worst case scenario for the Kings. I say that’s really incredible good position to be in the draft.
OR the Kings could have just drafted their guy and walked away happy about it, kinda like they did. If any teams should be hindsighting this draft it should be Arlanta and Phoenix.

The Kings have a good record. Dallas has a good record, Memphis has a good record. None of those teams are looking back at the draft and wondering "gee if only we would have made a different pick, maybe our record would be better right now...."

You see the point I am trying to make here? The Kings got their guy and are looking to the future. It's only you who is talking as if Bagley has reached his ceiling and wont get any better and the Kings are upset they drafted him and could have done better. It's not the Kings that think that way. They are crying themselves to sleep with a winning record right now and playoff hopes when they wake up.

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my point is, Bagley + 2019 Mavs first round pick > Bagley. and that was a real possibility for the Kings. what happens with Bagley or Luka even doesn’t matter in this equation.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#617 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:02 pm

Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
It’s not that complicated. If Kings would have taken Luka, the most realistic scenario would be,

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. Bagley and a trade with Kings for Luka. Kings get Bagley + 2019 first round pick. Mavs Luka.

Lets say Memphis surprises and takes Bagley. Kings gets JJJ + 2019 first round pick from Mavs or if they for some strange reason really don’t like JJJ, they have Luka. So Luka was worst case scenario for the Kings. I say that’s really incredible good position to be in the draft.
OR the Kings could have just drafted their guy and walked away happy about it, kinda like they did. If any teams should be hindsighting this draft it should be Arlanta and Phoenix.

The Kings have a good record. Dallas has a good record, Memphis has a good record. None of those teams are looking back at the draft and wondering "gee if only we would have made a different pick, maybe our record would be better right now...."

You see the point I am trying to make here? The Kings got their guy and are looking to the future. It's only you who is talking as if Bagley has reached his ceiling and wont get any better and the Kings are upset they drafted him and could have done better. It's not the Kings that think that way. They are crying themselves to sleep with a winning record right now and playoff hopes when they wake up.

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my point is Bagley + 2019 Mavs first round pick > Bagley. and that was a real possibility for the Kings. what happens with Bagley even doesn’t matter in this equation.
AGAIN you are still making the assumption that Bagley falls to 5. The Hawks were able to make the trade with Dallas because Trae Young was slotted in every single mock draft in the 6-8 range. Bagley was spotted no lower than 3rd in every single mock.

To reiterate, Bagley was projected to go no lower than 3rd. Young was projected to go no higher than 6th. Atlanta knows that Trae Young is not going to go any higher than 6, so they can trade back and get him at 5. The Kings know that Bagley will go no later than 3rd, so no, they cant trade back to 5th and expect him to still be there. Memohis would have snatched him up.

The Kings did not want JJJ or Luka as a consolation prize. What is so hard to understand about that? They wanted Bagley. And they are happy they got him. Nothing more, nothing less. Again. What is so hard to understand about that? Just move on to your next Luka discussion.

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#618 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:12 pm

IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:OR the Kings could have just drafted their guy and walked away happy about it, kinda like they did. If any teams should be hindsighting this draft it should be Arlanta and Phoenix.

The Kings have a good record. Dallas has a good record, Memphis has a good record. None of those teams are looking back at the draft and wondering "gee if only we would have made a different pick, maybe our record would be better right now...."

You see the point I am trying to make here? The Kings got their guy and are looking to the future. It's only you who is talking as if Bagley has reached his ceiling and wont get any better and the Kings are upset they drafted him and could have done better. It's not the Kings that think that way. They are crying themselves to sleep with a winning record right now and playoff hopes when they wake up.

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my point is Bagley + 2019 Mavs first round pick > Bagley. and that was a real possibility for the Kings. what happens with Bagley even doesn’t matter in this equation.
AGAIN you are still making the assumption that Bagley falls to 5. The Hawks were able to make the trade with Dallas because Trae Young was slotted in every single mock draft in the 6-8 range. Bagley was spotted no lower than 3rd in every single mock.

To reiterate, Bagley was projected to go no lower than 3rd. Young was projected to go no higher than 6th. Atlanta knows that Trae Young is not going to go any higher than 6, so they can trade back and get him at 5. The Kings know that Bagley will go no later than 3rd, so no, they cant trade back to 5th and expect him to still be there. Memohis would have snatched him up.

The Kings did not want JJJ or Luka as a consolation prize. What is so hard to understand about that? They wanted Bagley. And they are happy they got him. Nothing more, nothing less. Again. What is so hard to understand about that? Just move on to your next Luka discussion.

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firstly , nobody will say where I should move or not. you stop replying and we will stop talking.
secondly , it’s conversion about different possibilities, which btw. started because what your coach said about Luka. ;)
thirdly, you’re taking this conversations too seriously and too angry. it’s only talking, our views doesn’t matter at all.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#619 » by IamHim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:15 pm

Bob8 wrote:
IamHim wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
my point is Bagley + 2019 Mavs first round pick > Bagley. and that was a real possibility for the Kings. what happens with Bagley even doesn’t matter in this equation.
AGAIN you are still making the assumption that Bagley falls to 5. The Hawks were able to make the trade with Dallas because Trae Young was slotted in every single mock draft in the 6-8 range. Bagley was spotted no lower than 3rd in every single mock.

To reiterate, Bagley was projected to go no lower than 3rd. Young was projected to go no higher than 6th. Atlanta knows that Trae Young is not going to go any higher than 6, so they can trade back and get him at 5. The Kings know that Bagley will go no later than 3rd, so no, they cant trade back to 5th and expect him to still be there. Memohis would have snatched him up.

The Kings did not want JJJ or Luka as a consolation prize. What is so hard to understand about that? They wanted Bagley. And they are happy they got him. Nothing more, nothing less. Again. What is so hard to understand about that? Just move on to your next Luka discussion.

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firstly , nobody will say where I should move or not. you stop replying and we will stop talking.
secondly , it’s conversion about different possibilities, which btw. started because what your coach said about Luka. ;)
thirdly, you’re taking this conversations too seriously and too angry. it’s only talking, our views doesn’t matter at all.
Well I would agree that your view doesnt matter because it makes no sense, it is not cemented in reality or logic. Good day sir

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#620 » by kazyv » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:30 pm



just a casual lebron statline by your 7/11 employee of the year
i liked his aggressiveness in this one, getting to the rim and drawing a lot of fouls

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