OT: Zion Prophesized?!

[Greenie]

Basketball gods...we have repented for our sins...please bless us

Have we?

[Greenie]

I would trade KP for him and draft Ja as well.

Robinson/Vonleh
Zion
Knox
Dot/Trier
Ja/Frank


We would probably look to upgrade SG and SF moving forward. We may be able to bend Boston over for Hayward.

[kane2021]

He has 3 things going for him. Size. Athleticism. And competitive drive. But those 3 things are next level. He’s the type of prospect that ushers in a new era. It doesn’t happen often. And it hasn’t happened in awhile. Maybe KD? Definitely Kobe and James. Shaq. KG maybe. Every once in awhile there’s a player that raises the bar and leaves you in awe with their natural gifts. Even less often there’s a player that has those things, plus a drive to impose himself. My biggest knock on James is that the drive just wasn’t quite at the highest level. Physically dominant. But there’s been a few times where he wasn’t the most desperate guy on the floor.

I believe this is the generational talent. I think this is the one that changes the way we watch the game. Changes the way children play. Right off the jump he’s too much to handle in the nba. He’s going to out run, out jump, and over power a majority of the players in the league right now. And for the few that can keep up with him, I think this is the player that takes it as a personal challenge. And says “oh yeah, well top this”.

I never believed we’d be in a position to draft him. We’re not bad enough. And we’re not that lucky. I think we’ll be fairly close but we’re going to have to come out of pocket. The question is should we and how much is too much?

If it’s me I’m not screwing around. At all. I’m going to get this kid. Even if it means erasing what we’ve collected up to this point. Or even setting us back a couple of years. I don’t care. Either get this dude, or spend another 10 years fantasizing of getting this type of player. I’m personally fed up with pretending. Pretending that the players we have are better than they are. Pretending that the top player is clamoring to sign with us in free agency. I’m just going to make this happen and live with the results.


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[robillionaire]

He has 3 things going for him. Size. Athleticism. And competitive drive. But those 3 things are next level. He’s the type of prospect that ushers in a new era. It doesn’t happen often. And it hasn’t happened in awhile. Maybe KD? Definitely Kobe and James. Shaq. KG maybe. Every once in awhile there’s a player that raises the bar and leaves you in awe with their natural gifts. Even less often there’s a player that has those things, plus a drive to impose himself. My biggest knock on James is that the drive just wasn’t quite at the highest level. Physically dominant. But there’s been a few times where he wasn’t the most desperate guy on the floor.

I believe this is the generational talent. I think this is the one that changes the way we watch the game. Changes the way children play. Right off the jump he’s too much to handle in the nba. He’s going to out run, out jump, and over power a majority of the players in the league right now. And for the few that can keep up with him, I think this is the player that takes it as a personal challenge. And says “oh yeah, well top this”.

I never believed we’d be in a position to draft him. We’re not bad enough. And we’re not that lucky. I think we’ll be fairly close but we’re going to have to come out of pocket. The question is should we and how much is too much?

If it’s me I’m not screwing around. At all. I’m going to get this kid. Even if it means erasing what we’ve collected up to this point. Or even setting us back a couple of years. I don’t care. Either get this dude, or spend another 10 years fantasizing of getting this type of player. I’m personally fed up with pretending. Pretending that the players we have are better than they are. Pretending that the top player is clamoring to sign with us in free agency. I’m just going to make this happen and live with the results.


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The generational talent that we should have traded up for (and someone did) was Luka Doncic last year. Y’all overhyping this guy. Put it in a sig, you’ll see in a couple years.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i don't see zion ushering in an era because it is very unlikely he could be a prototype. who else has had or will have his combination of size, athleticism, and skill? the only players i think of still aren't quite exactly like him.

of course there's lebron, but he's bigger, possibly more athletic, less skilled.
i've heard shawn kemp, but he's bigger (than prime kemp ) and more skilled.
barkey, but zion is bigger, more athletic, and a better passer and defender.

i don't have a great comparison for what i'm seeking in zion.

we're currently in an era of long freaks, a la AD, KP, giannis, embiid.

unless kane is talking about the league becoming zion's like... like a jordan era. i don't know about THAT. that's a lot to put on the kid in a league with clear HOF talent in the prime of its own era.

[Greenie]

He has 3 things going for him. Size. Athleticism. And competitive drive. But those 3 things are next level. He’s the type of prospect that ushers in a new era. It doesn’t happen often. And it hasn’t happened in awhile. Maybe KD? Definitely Kobe and James. Shaq. KG maybe. Every once in awhile there’s a player that raises the bar and leaves you in awe with their natural gifts. Even less often there’s a player that has those things, plus a drive to impose himself. My biggest knock on James is that the drive just wasn’t quite at the highest level. Physically dominant. But there’s been a few times where he wasn’t the most desperate guy on the floor.

I believe this is the generational talent. I think this is the one that changes the way we watch the game. Changes the way children play. Right off the jump he’s too much to handle in the nba. He’s going to out run, out jump, and over power a majority of the players in the league right now. And for the few that can keep up with him, I think this is the player that takes it as a personal challenge. And says “oh yeah, well top this”.

I never believed we’d be in a position to draft him. We’re not bad enough. And we’re not that lucky. I think we’ll be fairly close but we’re going to have to come out of pocket. The question is should we and how much is too much?

If it’s me I’m not screwing around. At all. I’m going to get this kid. Even if it means erasing what we’ve collected up to this point. Or even setting us back a couple of years. I don’t care. Either get this dude, or spend another 10 years fantasizing of getting this type of player. I’m personally fed up with pretending. Pretending that the players we have are better than they are. Pretending that the top player is clamoring to sign with us in free agency. I’m just going to make this happen and live with the results.


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This

ALL OF THIS

[Jeff Van Gully]

and i def want him. or ja. i fux with barrett too. no one else truly excites me.

i like garland (too bad about the injury) and culver too. those would be the players i would target.

i'd love zion, but there are some kids to be excited about at the top of this one, where i expect us to finish.

[Besart19]

Porzingis / Robinson
Williamson / Vonleh
Kawhi or KD / Josh J
Knox / Dotson
Ntilikina / Mudiay

[kane2021]

i don't see zion ushering in an era because it is very unlikely he could be a prototype. who else has had or will have his combination of size, athleticism, and skill? the only players i think of still aren't quite exactly like him.

of course there's lebron, but he's bigger, possibly more athletic, less skilled.
i've heard shawn kemp, but he's bigger (than prime kemp ) and more skilled.
barkey, but zion is bigger, more athletic, and a better passer and defender.

i don't have a great comparison for what i'm seeking in zion.

we're currently in an era of long freaks, a la AD, KP, giannis, embiid.

unless kane is talking about the league becoming zion's like... like a jordan era. i don't know about THAT. that's a lot to put on the kid in a league with clear HOF talent in the prime of its own era.

I think what sets him apart is his drive. He’s mean. Nasty. Some guys get punched in the face and the switch goes off. That’s it. They don’t want to engage any further. Some guys get punched in the face and the switch goes on. And they become an animal. And keep coming.

In boxing there’s some guys that might not have the whole package. But when they get tagged suddenly they become dangerous.

I see glimpses of a warrior. Now we add the physical aspect to that. Big. Strong. Explosive. But in this case those physical aspects are levels above the norm. It’s going to be difficult to stop him on a normal day just due to that. Now you take those things, and piss him off. And you’re dealing with a serious problem.

It’s the drive that impresses me most. There’s just not a lot of highly competitive guys in the league today. If I had to pick one it would be Greek freak. I can’t stand that guy. He doesn’t want to play and high five. He wants to crush. You challenge him and something bad is going to happen. I think Zion is potentially that type of competitor.


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[RHODEY]

Trading KP for Zion basically ensures that you guys will just keep repeating what you guys have been doing. Say you guys land the 3rd pick, I would make everything available except for KP to trade up to get the #1 spot.

Zion is just different. Look what he has done for college basketball. I mean when Duke has a game against a ranked team, you go to the page that lists all the team boards and it is like half of the team boards last posts is a draft or college basketball thread. He is must see TV.

You add that in the NY market and you add KP as well. I think the Knicks automatically become much more attractive for free agents. You got two young studs that both appear to have games that are friendly for other stars. You also have the biggest market in the world rejuvenated to levels we havent seen in a long time. Ya I think there is a good chance you guys could start landing legit talent.

You would have your number 1 and 2 guy already ...that is the legit talent right there , the rest is icing that will kill to be part of the resurgence at MSG. Just imagine us thrashing the teams where the front running bandwagon FA's turned their noses up at us. Imagine when ESPN will be forced to put respect back on the Knicks name. I would just love that.

Yup. KP and Zion in MSG would basically become must watch TV every game. And again say you guys land him, I bet there will be some free agents this summer that will go, okay let me think again about the Knicks. Cause again those are star friendly players. Neither are these ball dominant players. The buzz around the Knicks would be back, that is a powerful tool in free agency.

So ya if you guys get anywhere near that 1st round pick, I would call the team sitting at #1 and say, take whoever you want and how many picks you want.

I wouldn't bendover completely ...depending on what pick we get I'd give them an extra future first and that's it. I doubt anyone team would give up Zion though, especially after how dumb the Mavs made the Hawks (and Kings) look by giving away/passing on Luka. And luka had nowhere near the hype Zion does now.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i don't see zion ushering in an era because it is very unlikely he could be a prototype. who else has had or will have his combination of size, athleticism, and skill? the only players i think of still aren't quite exactly like him.

of course there's lebron, but he's bigger, possibly more athletic, less skilled.
i've heard shawn kemp, but he's bigger (than prime kemp ) and more skilled.
barkey, but zion is bigger, more athletic, and a better passer and defender.

i don't have a great comparison for what i'm seeking in zion.

we're currently in an era of long freaks, a la AD, KP, giannis, embiid.

unless kane is talking about the league becoming zion's like... like a jordan era. i don't know about THAT. that's a lot to put on the kid in a league with clear HOF talent in the prime of its own era.

I think what sets him apart is his drive. He’s mean. Nasty. Some guys get punched in the face and the switch goes off. That’s it. They don’t want to engage any further. Some guys get punched in the face and the switch goes on. And they become an animal. And keep coming.

In boxing there’s some guys that might not have the whole package. But when they get tagged suddenly they become dangerous.

I see glimpses of a warrior. Now we add the physical aspect to that. Big. Strong. Explosive. But in this case those physical aspects are levels above the norm. It’s going to be difficult to stop him on a normal day just due to that. Now you take those things, and piss him off. And you’re dealing with a serious problem.

It’s the drive that impresses me most. There’s just not a lot of highly competitive guys in the league today. If I had to pick one it would be Greek freak. I can’t stand that guy. He doesn’t want to play and high five. He wants to crush. You challenge him and something bad is going to happen. I think Zion is potentially that type of competitor.


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you described what i believe to be true knick identity.

[RHODEY]

I'm really high on Ja Morant, but I would definitely swap the 2019 1st round picks and give up a future 1st round pick + Knox + Nilikina + Robinson + Dotson for Zion. I believe we have the assets to get it done, but is it too much for Zion?

No way I'm moving Mitch and Knox. They can have Trier and Frank and if they bitch and moan maybe Dotson, that's it cuz we'd be out of Vaseline.

[akhan786]

NBA needs to rig Zion to NY

Adam Silver is both a Dukie and a New Yorker....he has to see how important this draft will be to set up the post-Lebron era of the NBA (particularly in the Eastern Conference)

And nothing would be more lucrative than Zion in NY. It would be a disaster if he ended up in Cleveland imo.

Put Barrett in Brooklyn and Reddish in Atlanta and boom. Ratings galore (if they pan out) for the next decade.

[Deeeez Knicks]

You never know, but i can't see anyone trading him. We need luck on our side for this one

[KnicksFTW]

He should be everyones #1 no question. There will be more Barrets, Ja Mormant, and Cameron Reddish in future years.

This guy can be other worldly for us.

[RHODEY]

He has 3 things going for him. Size. Athleticism. And competitive drive. But those 3 things are next level. He’s the type of prospect that ushers in a new era. It doesn’t happen often. And it hasn’t happened in awhile. Maybe KD? Definitely Kobe and James. Shaq. KG maybe. Every once in awhile there’s a player that raises the bar and leaves you in awe with their natural gifts. Even less often there’s a player that has those things, plus a drive to impose himself. My biggest knock on James is that the drive just wasn’t quite at the highest level. Physically dominant. But there’s been a few times where he wasn’t the most desperate guy on the floor.

I believe this is the generational talent. I think this is the one that changes the way we watch the game. Changes the way children play. Right off the jump he’s too much to handle in the nba. He’s going to out run, out jump, and over power a majority of the players in the league right now. And for the few that can keep up with him, I think this is the player that takes it as a personal challenge. And says “oh yeah, well top this”.

I never believed we’d be in a position to draft him. We’re not bad enough. And we’re not that lucky. I think we’ll be fairly close but we’re going to have to come out of pocket. The question is should we and how much is too much?

If it’s me I’m not screwing around. At all. I’m going to get this kid. Even if it means erasing what we’ve collected up to this point. Or even setting us back a couple of years. I don’t care. Either get this dude, or spend another 10 years fantasizing of getting this type of player. I’m personally fed up with pretending. Pretending that the players we have are better than they are. Pretending that the top player is clamoring to sign with us in free agency. I’m just going to make this happen and live with the results.


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The generational talent that we should have traded up for (and someone did) was Luka Doncic last year. Y’all overhyping this guy. Put it in a sig, you’ll see in a couple years.

and perhaps under hyping others....like Morant....

[cgmw]

He has 3 things going for him. Size. Athleticism. And competitive drive. But those 3 things are next level. He’s the type of prospect that ushers in a new era. It doesn’t happen often. And it hasn’t happened in awhile. Maybe KD? Definitely Kobe and James. Shaq. KG maybe. Every once in awhile there’s a player that raises the bar and leaves you in awe with their natural gifts. Even less often there’s a player that has those things, plus a drive to impose himself. My biggest knock on James is that the drive just wasn’t quite at the highest level. Physically dominant. But there’s been a few times where he wasn’t the most desperate guy on the floor.

I believe this is the generational talent. I think this is the one that changes the way we watch the game. Changes the way children play. Right off the jump he’s too much to handle in the nba. He’s going to out run, out jump, and over power a majority of the players in the league right now. And for the few that can keep up with him, I think this is the player that takes it as a personal challenge. And says “oh yeah, well top this”.

I never believed we’d be in a position to draft him. We’re not bad enough. And we’re not that lucky. I think we’ll be fairly close but we’re going to have to come out of pocket. The question is should we and how much is too much?

If it’s me I’m not screwing around. At all. I’m going to get this kid. Even if it means erasing what we’ve collected up to this point. Or even setting us back a couple of years. I don’t care. Either get this dude, or spend another 10 years fantasizing of getting this type of player. I’m personally fed up with pretending. Pretending that the players we have are better than they are. Pretending that the top player is clamoring to sign with us in free agency. I’m just going to make this happen and live with the results.


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Great take.

I don't agree exactly, but great take.

My concern is the toxic NY culture of overpaying for high-expectations with no patience whatsoever. Dude better be all that and then some or he'd get eaten alive here, especially if Mills steps in with a Carmelo/Marbury/Curry/Bargnani type trade to move up. Those kinds of expectations have proven to be absolutely toxic time and time again, and I wouldn't wish them upon anyone.

If there's anyone who could ruin the career of a surefire NBA star, it's James Dolan.

[RHODEY]

i don't see zion ushering in an era because it is very unlikely he could be a prototype. who else has had or will have his combination of size, athleticism, and skill? the only players i think of still aren't quite exactly like him.

of course there's lebron, but he's bigger, possibly more athletic, less skilled.
i've heard shawn kemp, but he's bigger (than prime kemp ) and more skilled.
barkey, but zion is bigger, more athletic, and a better passer and defender.

i don't have a great comparison for what i'm seeking in zion.

we're currently in an era of long freaks, a la AD, KP, giannis, embiid.

unless kane is talking about the league becoming zion's like... like a jordan era. i don't know about THAT. that's a lot to put on the kid in a league with clear HOF talent in the prime of its own era.

Yeah he's basically another "unicorn" of sorts ...there's nothing to compare him to.

[K_ick_God]

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[Wonderllama]

Hearing all this makes me want to tank harder. We must lose MORE!