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Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

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What should the Knicks approach be with Frank

Try to develop until prime years (~26) - essentially hold until it's 100% clear what he is
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30%
Hold and try to develop until the end of rookie contract
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Hold until season's end/middle of next season to make a decision
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Look to trade him now for assets and/or a salary dump
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1121 » by prophet_of_rage » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:06 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:Roberson finds a way to shoot over 48% from the field. Frank’s is one of the worst shooters in the history of NBA after 2 seasons.

Roberson shoots 4 times a game and 22% from 3. Fiz would never play him because he's not aggressive and everyone would say he's soft.


Yea Fiz never started a wing that couldn’t score..He’s NEVER rewarded a wing that can’t score because he plays defense. Not ever.
Tony Allen and Frank don't count.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1122 » by dakomish23 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:06 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:Just checked. Roberson was at 19 minutes a game his second season. He played fewer minutes than Frank has so far.


A. OKC was a 59 win team the year before and was a contender going into 14-15
B. His minutes took a huge dip after they traded for Waiters
C. He was on a 45 win team trying to make the playoffs. He also played Morrow more than him.

Which of these are applicable to the Knicks situation?
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1123 » by dakomish23 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:08 pm

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prophet_of_rage wrote:A bottom feeder that is trying to teach its kids good habits, adversity and professionalism? They each got like 3 dnps and then have been playing regular roles. They each responded to the DNP with stronger games.

They have to be coached.

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Good habits? Professionalism? When the hell were these a problem for Frank or Dot?

Dotson - 6 DNPs
Frank - 4 DNPs
Mudiay - 1 DNP (and I’m not ok with that either)

What other excuses you got?
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So not good habits and professionalism.

And they all didn’t get the same amount of DNPs.

Cool
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1124 » by whocares1 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:10 pm

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GONYK wrote:Roberson shoots 4 times a game and 22% from 3. Fiz would never play him because he's not aggressive and everyone would say he's soft.


Yea Fiz never started a wing that couldn’t score..He’s NEVER rewarded a wing that can’t score because he plays defense. Not ever.
Tony Allen and Frank don't count.

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I was thinking Lance Thomas.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1125 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:18 pm

whocares1 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
Yea Fiz never started a wing that couldn’t score..He’s NEVER rewarded a wing that can’t score because he plays defense. Not ever.
Tony Allen and Frank don't count.

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I was thinking Lance Thomas.
What Fiz wouldn't do is start that guy every game and guarantee him 20-30 mpg
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1126 » by Fat Kat » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:19 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:Roberson finds a way to shoot over 48% from the field. Frank’s is one of the worst shooters in the history of NBA after 2 seasons.


Is this anywhere near true?
Roberson yes. Frank no.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1127 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:58 pm

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Yeah you've GOT to include Dotson in the deal because he looks to understand the game, play within himself, and doesn't fire away from all angles at will. He does show he can make tough shots but can he get a shot and a miss anywhere on the floor?

That's key lol.

Plus he plays D and understands team ball. And he is cheap. And he is making Timmy look bad. AND (exhales) he is shooting high percentages.

So yeah, Dotson is a throw-in.

Funny. :lol: Very funny. :nod: Very tragic. :cry: :cry: :cry:


Frank Dot Lee for Wes DSJ

Checks off all the Knicks priorities


This. What's the hold up?


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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1128 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:28 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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dakomish23 wrote:
Frank Dot Lee for Wes DSJ

Checks off all the Knicks priorities


This. What's the hold up?


You're a very bad man!

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1129 » by dakomish23 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:34 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
This. What's the hold up?


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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1130 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:21 pm

Topic will be surfing on a sea of enthusiasm until Frank's next bad game. :-)
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Post#1131 » by taj2133 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:31 pm

frank had solid game 9 points and 5 assist keep it up.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1132 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:06 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
This. What's the hold up?


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You know I'm getting into mid season form! :D


You've turned it into an art form. :lol:
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1133 » by springcadre » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:22 pm

4-12 3 tos 5 assist, good point guard is gonna have one turnover for every three assist

Excuse is his shots went in and out so he got unlucky, I propose if everyone made the shots they could have made they’d be much better. Frank is Andre Roberson ceiling, utility player but definitely an indefinisble lottery selection on a team devoid of talent.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1134 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:31 pm

springcadre wrote:4-12 3 tos 5 assist, good point guard is gonna have one turnover for every three assist

Excuse is his shots went in and out so he got unlucky, I propose if everyone made the shots they could have made they’d be much better. Frank is Andre Roberson ceiling, utility player but definitely an indefinisble lottery selection on a team devoid of talent.


I try to stay out of the debate now, but to sort of come in the 2nd half of your statement and agree, basically my take is:

He might improve, so it's worth finding out to the end of the rookie deal. If NOT, and Frank is mostly WYSIWYG, I like role players who'll play defense and execute the system - fits better when the really good players finally show up. He's still need a more reliable jumper for that scenario too, which I "think" will come, based on form etc.

Obviously there can be different kinds of role players for different occasions - nothing inherently superior about Frank over a guy like Trier - case could be made Trier is better, for instance. I think different. And it could be after 4 years they'll need to cycle him off the team, but again, might as well take the full 4 years when you draft a 19 year old. Same with Mitch. Same with Knox.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1135 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:36 pm

springcadre wrote:4-12 3 tos 5 assist, good point guard is gonna have one turnover for every three assist

Excuse is his shots went in and out so he got unlucky, I propose if everyone made the shots they could have made they’d be much better. Frank is Andre Roberson ceiling, utility player but definitely an indefinisble lottery selection on a team devoid of talent.


ridiculous post. At 20 frank is already a better shooter than Roberson. Roberson is 25% from 3 and 46% from the FT line. Frank is 31% from 3 and 72% from the FT line. So he wont be a liability like Roberson is. Also roberson has nowhere near the playmaking potential Frank has. Roberson is an elite defender and if Frank isn't there just yet he has the potential to get there.

So your talking Roberson with better shooting and playmaking which could be a really really valuable player.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1136 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:14 am

dakomish23 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:Just checked. Roberson was at 19 minutes a game his second season. He played fewer minutes than Frank has so far.


A. OKC was a 59 win team the year before and was a contender going into 14-15
B. His minutes took a huge dip after they traded for Waiters
C. He was on a 45 win team trying to make the playoffs. He also played Morrow more than him.

Which of these are applicable to the Knicks situation?
So Roberson's situation isn't comparable to Frank's? Then why bring Roberson into it at all. They didn't give free rein to Roberson. They just kept him. The Knicks aren't giving Frank free rein. They are holding onto him.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1137 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:15 am

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Good habits? Professionalism? When the hell were these a problem for Frank or Dot?

Dotson - 6 DNPs
Frank - 4 DNPs
Mudiay - 1 DNP (and I’m not ok with that either)

What other excuses you got?
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So not good habits and professionalism.

And they all didn’t get the same amount of DNPs.

Cool
Being ready to play and productive are parts of good habits and professionalism. Cool? I know you're trying hard to find something complicated here but there isn't much to see here.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1138 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:16 am

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Tony Allen and Frank don't count.

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I was thinking Lance Thomas.
What Fiz wouldn't do is start that guy every game and guarantee him 20-30 mpg
Nor should he.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1139 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:17 am

Fat Kat wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
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Is this anywhere near true?
Roberson yes. Frank no.

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Please enlighten me
Frank is not one ofnthw worst shooters in NBA history. He isn't great but he isn't that bad.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1140 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:24 am

prophet_of_rage wrote:
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prophet_of_rage wrote:Just checked. Roberson was at 19 minutes a game his second season. He played fewer minutes than Frank has so far.


A. OKC was a 59 win team the year before and was a contender going into 14-15
B. His minutes took a huge dip after they traded for Waiters
C. He was on a 45 win team trying to make the playoffs. He also played Morrow more than him.

Which of these are applicable to the Knicks situation?
So Roberson's situation isn't comparable to Frank's? Then why bring Roberson into it at all. They didn't give free rein to Roberson. They just kept him. The Knicks aren't giving Frank free rein. They are holding onto him.

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You’re the one who used Roberson MPG stat. Idk why you brought it up if it wasn’t to justify how the FO is handling Frank
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