Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[gambitx777]

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That would have been perfect, I would have even let them keep hart for a guy like zubac or wagnor Of course EG said no..... im going to go to bed and cry now, ... thanks.

[dangermouse]

EG you idiot!

Of all the Wall trades, that one was almost universally liked here. If true thats another Grunder Blunder to add to the list.

[popper]

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EG sucks the joy and hope right out of this team and the owner is too stupid to understand why.

[pcbothwel]

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EG sucks the joy and hope right out of this team and the owner is too stupid to understand why.

EG is terrible... but why are we buying this?
A KCP/Wall trade could Not occur until the 15th of January, but Wall was hurt in December. I can see the offer, but for us to act like there was any way that this was getting done is a little uninformed.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Ouch, I remember suggesting that very trade - saying I'd rather have Ingram, but it's more realistic that the Lakers would want to include Hart rather than Ingram.

Yup. We both did and sometimes they DO follow through.

Before Morris Almond and his consecutive 10-day stints; back in the day Jahidi White and IIRC Brevin Knight happened. I think I was on AOL back then.

Also, Robert Pack and I THINK Don MacLean happened weeks after a trade idea was floated.

Never know who is listening or lurking.

Smart as doclinkin is hell he could be...


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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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That would have been perfect, I would have even let them keep hart for a guy like zubac or wagnor Of course EG said no..... im going to go to bed and cry now, ... thanks.

It is still very viable regardless of injuries

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[Induveca]

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EG sucks the joy and hope right out of this team and the owner is too stupid to understand why.

EG is terrible... but why are we buying this?
A KCP/Wall trade could Not occur until the 15th of January, but Wall was hurt in December. I can see the offer, but for us to act like there was any way that this was getting done is a little uninformed.

This offer had been out there since the beginning of the season, the issue was KCP couldn’t be traded until Dec 15.

The most reputable source we old-timers all have here (and former wiz analytics guy) dropped the hint back in November of the perfect trade for Wall being offered by the Lakers. He also said the Wizards would decline, because of EG being inept.

[TGW]

EG sucks the joy and hope right out of this team and the owner is too stupid to understand why.

EG is terrible... but why are we buying this?
A KCP/Wall trade could Not occur until the 15th of January, but Wall was hurt in December. I can see the offer, but for us to act like there was any way that this was getting done is a little uninformed.

This offer had been out there since the beginning of the season, the issue was KCP couldn’t be traded until Dec 15.

The most reputable source we old-timers all have here (and former wiz analytics guy) dropped the hint back in November of the perfect trade for Wall being offered by the Lakers. He also said the Wizards would decline, because of EG being inept.

Yep. WizardsKev already spilled the beans on that one a long time ago.

[nate33]

EG is terrible... but why are we buying this?
A KCP/Wall trade could Not occur until the 15th of January, but Wall was hurt in December. I can see the offer, but for us to act like there was any way that this was getting done is a little uninformed.

This offer had been out there since the beginning of the season, the issue was KCP couldn’t be traded until Dec 15.

The most reputable source we old-timers all have here (and former wiz analytics guy) dropped the hint back in November of the perfect trade for Wall being offered by the Lakers. He also said the Wizards would decline, because of EG being inept.

Yep. WizardsKev already spilled the beans on that one a long time ago.

Well, technically, he didn't specifically say it. But he left us enough bread crumbs to draw the conclusion that the team was LA and that KCP's contract was involved. And it seemed logical that Ball was also involved since having them together would be redundant. The Hart part is interesting.

What a great deal for the Wizards! But as pcbothwel points out, the deal couldn't have taken place until after Wall got hurt. I suppose EG may have stupidly rejected the offer in late November when it was originally extended as a hypothetical to take place on Dec. 15th, but ultimately, even if EG accepted the offer back in late November, the offer would likely have been rescinded by Dec. 15th anyway.

Now that Lonzo Ball is hurt, I wonder if the Lakers would consider going through with it? I'd even do it without Hart.

There's also the possibility that this is pure fiction floated in an attempt to raise Wall's trade value. Is EG that savvy?

[nate33]

Let's see if we can sweeten the pot a bit.

We have the ability to give Lebron some really good veteran role players to give him a fighting chance in playoffs. Let's throw in Ariza and Jeff Green while absorbing Stephenson and Beasley.

So technically, it would be 2 trades (to get around the Ariza trade limitations).

Trade 1: Ariza for Ball + Beasley
Trade 2: Wall and Green for KCP + Stevenson + Hart

The moves save us 6.7M and get us out of the luxtax. LA keeps Rondo (who should be healthy soon) to play PG. They keep Ingram as a player or trade asset. They keep Kuzma. They still have Chandler. And they add Ariza and Jeff Green. If they could add one more decent veteran guard from the waiver wire, they'd be a contender. They don't take on any salary past this summer (except Wall).

There's another way to do it where we also incorporate a Howard for McGee swap. But I don't think LA would want Howard given his history there.

It's really a good deal all around, if you accept the premise that LA is willing to swallow Wall's contract. LA gets much better for the playoff run while only exchanging expiring contracts. We dump enough salary to get out of the luxtax. We get rid of Wall's gargantuan contact. And we end up with two young prospects in Ball and Hart who would round out our backcourt nicely, but due to Ball's injury and the loss of Green and Ariza we probably miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick.

Our future roster is in great shape for the near and long term:

PG Sato/Ball
SG Beal/Hart
SF Brown/Dekker
PF Porter/lotto pick
C Bryant/Mahinmi

Beal, Hart and Sato can all play some SF if necessary. Heck, the payroll is only $92M plus the cost of Sato, Dekker and Bryant. And it gets even more inexpensive a year later when Mahinmi comes off the books.

[queridiculo]

EG you idiot!

Of all the Wall trades, that one was almost universally liked here. If true thats another Grunder Blunder to add to the list.

Eh, league source is just another fancy way of saying I read this post on bulletsforever citing somebody connected with the team.

I don't doubt Broom's source one bit, but it's important to remember that all of this supposedly came out of Rich Paul's circle, not from anybody connected with the Lakers.

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Ouch, I remember suggesting that very trade - saying I'd rather have Ingram, but it's more realistic that the Lakers would want to include Hart rather than Ingram.

Yup. We both did and sometimes they DO follow through.

Before Morris Almond and his consecutive 10-day stints; back in the day Jahidi White and IIRC Brevin Knight happened. I think I was on AOL back then.

Also, Robert Pack and I THINK Don MacLean happened weeks after a trade idea was floated.

Never know who is listening or lurking.

Smart as doclinkin is hell he could be...

HAH! don't blame me for this mess.

Hell I might've drafted Mo Almond. And it would've been the wrong move. It was between him, Rudy Fernandez even though he had contract issues I think, and Marco Bellinelli. I wanted Rodney Stuckey but he was picked one slot before we took Nick Young (who I didn't want. I liked his teammate Taj Gibson, but he wasn't in that draft).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ouch, I remember suggesting that very trade - saying I'd rather have Ingram, but it's more realistic that the Lakers would want to include Hart rather than Ingram.

Yup. We both did and sometimes they DO follow through.

Before Morris Almond and his consecutive 10-day stints; back in the day Jahidi White and IIRC Brevin Knight happened. I think I was on AOL back then.

Also, Robert Pack and I THINK Don MacLean happened weeks after a trade idea was floated.

Never know who is listening or lurking.

Smart as doclinkin is hell he could be...

HAH! don't blame me for this mess.

Hell I might've drafted Mo Almond. And it would've been the wrong move. It was between him, Rudy Fernandez even though he had contract issues I think, and Marco Bellinelli. I wanted Rodney Stuckey but he was picked one slot before we took Nick Young (who I didn't want. I liked his teammate Taj Gibson, but he wasn't in that draft).

Roger that on Mo.

He's got a birthday coming. I know. My birthday is also Ground Hog day...

I STILL BELIEVE...Morris was the better prospect between himself, Nick Young, and Marco Bellinelli. That assessment was made by stats alone...I think before Jon Givony went big time. DRAFT EXPRESS didn't have Schultz doing video breakdowns. Social media was still relatively uncharted in many ways.

I made the mistakes of not considering Rice U weak hoop and him being big fish in small pond; and, unlike you and Dat and probably Ruz et al I DID NOT KNOW THAT MEASURABLES WRT TO ATHLETICISM mattered a lot.

Mo was not shifty or quick or mentally flexible IMHO. CJ Miles was way more prepared or what Jerry Sloan wanted at SG/ SF.

I missed. Yuge.

That said Mo Almond in today's NBA could do many things Beal/Harden do much better than he.


SORRY FOR TYPOS...phukin' autocorrect SUX

[Dat2U]

This offer had been out there since the beginning of the season, the issue was KCP couldn’t be traded until Dec 15.

The most reputable source we old-timers all have here (and former wiz analytics guy) dropped the hint back in November of the perfect trade for Wall being offered by the Lakers. He also said the Wizards would decline, because of EG being inept.

Yep. WizardsKev already spilled the beans on that one a long time ago.

Well, technically, he didn't specifically say it. But he left us enough bread crumbs to draw the conclusion that the team was LA and that KCP's contract was involved. And it seemed logical that Ball was also involved since having them together would be redundant. The Hart part is interesting.

What a great deal for the Wizards! But as pcbothwel points out, the deal couldn't have taken place until after Wall got hurt. I suppose EG may have stupidly rejected the offer in late November when it was originally extended as a hypothetical to take place on Dec. 15th, but ultimately, even if EG accepted the offer back in late November, the offer would likely have been rescinded by Dec. 15th anyway.

Now that Lonzo Ball is hurt, I wonder if the Lakers would consider going through with it? I'd even do it without Hart.

There's also the possibility that this is pure fiction floated in an attempt to raise Wall's trade value. Is EG that savvy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bulletsforever.com/platform/amp/2018/12/5/18126193/john-wall-washington-wizards-los-angeles-lakers-rashomon

Oh Kev spilled the beans. He also verified the trade with me a few weeks earlier as I was the one that shot him what I thought was a ridiculous rumor at the time.

The guy who pushed the original rumor out there knows someone in LA too. He called LeBron's injury as being far more serious than the media was letting on the same night LeBron got injured. LeBron was day to day and now has been out for a month.

[Dark Faze]

i just have to believe this is all nonsense for my own sanity

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I thought Nick was a doofus...

Didn't know much about Belinelli other than his Draft night swagger. But then again, Jan Vesely had a smoking hottie French kissing him darn near...only to prove more Tin Man/ Cowardly Lion/Scare Crow.

I never liked Stuckey for whatever reason.


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[nate33]

Yep. WizardsKev already spilled the beans on that one a long time ago.

Well, technically, he didn't specifically say it. But he left us enough bread crumbs to draw the conclusion that the team was LA and that KCP's contract was involved. And it seemed logical that Ball was also involved since having them together would be redundant. The Hart part is interesting.

What a great deal for the Wizards! But as pcbothwel points out, the deal couldn't have taken place until after Wall got hurt. I suppose EG may have stupidly rejected the offer in late November when it was originally extended as a hypothetical to take place on Dec. 15th, but ultimately, even if EG accepted the offer back in late November, the offer would likely have been rescinded by Dec. 15th anyway.

Now that Lonzo Ball is hurt, I wonder if the Lakers would consider going through with it? I'd even do it without Hart.

There's also the possibility that this is pure fiction floated in an attempt to raise Wall's trade value. Is EG that savvy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bulletsforever.com/platform/amp/2018/12/5/18126193/john-wall-washington-wizards-los-angeles-lakers-rashomon

Oh Kev spilled the beans. He also verified the trade with me a few weeks earlier as I was the one that shot him what I thought was a ridiculous rumor at the time.

The guy who pushed the original rumor out there knows someone in LA too. He called LeBron's injury as being far more serious than the media was letting on the same night LeBron got injured. LeBron was day to day and now has been out for a month.

My bad. I remember his initial tweets on the matter. I didn't realize he wrote a more comprehensive article.

[VCfor3]

Just out of curiosity, is there a Gasol for Ian type trade that you guys would be interested in and if so what would you guys be willing to give up? (Maybe I should say that your FO would be interested in since I imagine most of you would pass ha)

Gasol for Ian+Morris+2019 1st (some level of protection) would have been an interesting offer but that is likely too rich with the way Gasol has played lately due to small injuries popping up and him never being willing to rest a proper amount of time. Then again you guys may have no real interest in Gasol anyway with his age.

[nate33]

Just out of curiosity, is there a Gasol for Ian type trade that you guys would be interested in and if so what would you guys be willing to give up? (Maybe I should say that your FO would be interested in since I imagine most of you would pass ha)

Gasol for Ian+Morris+2019 1st (some level of protection) would have been an interesting offer but that is likely too rich with the way Gasol has played lately due to small injuries popping up and him never being willing to rest a proper amount of time. Then again you guys may have no real interest in Gasol anyway with his age.

None of us fans are interested in any type of sacrifice the future to win now trade because we know full well that there isn't enough talent on the team to make a run. Management, however, isn't necessarily of the same belief. They just want to be good enough to have a handful of home playoff games every year. They have no desire whatsoever to build an actual contender.

The Wizards wouldn't make any Gasol trade that resulted in them taking on more immediate or long term salary because of our luxtax issues, but it's plausible that they would consider sacrificing a pick to trade Mahinmi for Gasol. (I sure as hell would hate it, but then, I hate most of what the organization does.)

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Ouch, I remember suggesting that very trade - saying I'd rather have Ingram, but it's more realistic that the Lakers would want to include Hart rather than Ingram.

Yes, & we differed about Hart vs. Ingram -- but in either case... how could Ernie have turned that down?

I think we might also have been calling for them to give us their R1 pick as well -- or am I mis-remembering? Number of young guys they have, you'd think that might have been possible.