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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
Total votes: 103

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#761 » by atlantabbq99 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:18 pm

kg01 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Is there a defensive Center in this draft with some offense worth a look?


ETA. Bol has the 'name' but I don't think we've seen near enough to make any determination on what kind of defender he can be. Again, I don't like Bol at all. He's a new-age "big" aka a 7' guard tryna play perimeter. Yuck.


I disagree with you on that one, but I think I'm going to win this one anyway, because if you remember our GM loves new age bigs, and all new age players in general.

I don't see Schlenk's draft strategies changing any time soon.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#762 » by kg01 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:19 pm

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kg01 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Agree with the Gafford assessment and I’d also consider him but only around 15-25.

Agree with Bol as well. Love the size and length and all but you have to have some good fundamental skills to go with this new age 7 footers shoot fade-away thing. Get more solid Bol! He gets with a guy like Pop though and you never know.

Kg, you’ve had your head on too straight to start 2019, you been enjoying those wheaties Jamaal ordered to your house. Aka the bribe.


And on the Grant Williams kid. Pass. Low athleticism, bully-ball PF's at the college level feasting off poor-a** college officiating do not translate well to the NBA. See Tyler Handsblow, the May kid from UNC, Sullinger, Caleb Swanigan, Trevor Booker, James M McAdoo .. need I go on?


I was thinking that Grant is another DeJuan Blair, but Sullinger is a pretty good comparison too.


I don't see Williams as that type of defender/rebounder. The Stokes guy from MEM is another comp that comes to mind.

Williams is basically a 'barrel into the lane, wait for the whistle' guy. He's got some skill but I don't trust that to translate at all.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#763 » by Spud2nique » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:22 pm

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I think the Gafford kid has that type of billing. After seeing him vs GT, he does seem to be talented. Not DAL pick talented though IMHO. He'd be a guy I'd target if we had like the 19 pick again or something. Deandre Jordan-like but will probably take a couple years to get there.

ETA. Bol has the 'name' but I don't think we've seen near enough to make any determination on what kind of defender he can be. Again, I don't like Bol at all. He's a new-age "big" aka a 7' guard tryna play perimeter. Yuck.


Agree with the Gafford assessment and I’d also consider him but only around 15-25.

Agree with Bol as well. Love the size and length and all but you have to have some good fundamental skills to go with this new age 7 footers shoot fade-away thing. Get more solid Bol! He gets with a guy like Pop though and you never know.

Kg, you’ve had your head on too straight to start 2019, you been enjoying those wheaties Jamaal ordered to your house. Aka the bribe.


Wait, @jamall is sending folks bribes? That's it. I'm withholding his 'likes' until I get my bribe(s).

I'm totally sour on "new-age" bigs. It's too much now. I don't need you traipsing around the 3pt line all game, dude. I'm not saying you gotta be friggin Kevin Duckworth but jakin' up fadeaways long 2's and 3's can't be the staple of your game.

Bol seems to have the skillset to be really good but how long do you have to deprogram all the AAU junk before he actually contributes to winning? And, before all that, how many years do you gotta wait for his injury to heal before that process starts?

And on the Grant Williams kid. Pass. Low athleticism, bully-ball PF's at the college level feasting off poor-a** college officiating do not translate well to the NBA. See Tyler Handsblow, the May kid from UNC, Sullinger, Caleb Swanigan, Trevor Booker, James M McAdoo .. need I go on?


:lol: jamaal sends carepackages a lot. I’m upset with the new age big man game and I’ve said it for years. This three point bonanza is killing the big man traditional game of going in the paint and handling ur biz.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#764 » by EazyRoc » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:19 pm

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jayu70 wrote:Is there a defensive Center in this draft with some offense worth a look?

Only player who fit the bill as a two-way big is Johntay Porter. He blew his knee out before the season started after already having question marks about athleticism/fitness. Huge gamble at this point to draft him.

Porter defense is pretty bad

I saw a guy who knew where to be and could move his feet well enough to defend out to the perimeter. Not an elite athlete, but very good defender nonetheless.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#765 » by Nathan2331 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:24 pm

I don't get why so many people are low on this draft. There are a lot of prospects who project well in the NBA. They are flawed, but that's to be expected with 1-2 years of college experience.

Anyways, by the time the NBA draft comes I hope we can end up with Zion and Bol Bol. Having Bol at center I think would allow us to at least try playing Zion at SF. If we get the #1 pick, Zion has to be the choice, but I also want Collins to be a PF practically full time. So in order to make that work we'd need a center who can be useful standing on the 3 point line and still present defensive value: enter Bol Bol.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#766 » by King Ken » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:46 pm

Nathan2331 wrote:I don't get why so many people are low on this draft. There are a lot of prospects who project well in the NBA. They are flawed, but that's to be expected with 1-2 years of college experience.

Anyways, by the time the NBA draft comes I hope we can end up with Zion and Bol Bol. Having Bol at center I think would allow us to at least try playing Zion at SF. If we get the #1 pick, Zion has to be the choice, but I also want Collins to be a PF practically full time. So in order to make that work we'd need a center who can be useful standing on the 3 point line and still present defensive value: enter Bol Bol.

Projectable is always going to be a big factor. This draft is not projectable
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#767 » by Nathan2331 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:03 pm

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Nathan2331 wrote:I don't get why so many people are low on this draft. There are a lot of prospects who project well in the NBA. They are flawed, but that's to be expected with 1-2 years of college experience.

Anyways, by the time the NBA draft comes I hope we can end up with Zion and Bol Bol. Having Bol at center I think would allow us to at least try playing Zion at SF. If we get the #1 pick, Zion has to be the choice, but I also want Collins to be a PF practically full time. So in order to make that work we'd need a center who can be useful standing on the 3 point line and still present defensive value: enter Bol Bol.

Projectable is always going to be a big factor. This draft is not projectable


I disagree. There's gotta be at least 10 wings in this draft who project to be starters in the future. Which is a big deal considering how hard it is to find wing players who can score and defend their own position. Barrett, Reddish, Hachimura, K. Johnson, Culver, Little, Langford, Hunter, Alexander-Walker, Okpala and Doumbouya have a lot of positives to work with. They of course are flawed but in the right situation they could all become great players.

There are a few big men who provide some value defensive value and could develop further offensively. Gafford, Hayes, Fernando, Porter, hell even Naz Reid outside the lottery would be solid picks for a team wanting a center that could be developed. Morant has exploded at PG, and there are probably a few more players who will make a name for themselves. International class seems to be week, but as far as the Hawks are concerned this is a good draft for us to have multiple lottery picks in (hopefully).
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#768 » by King Ken » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:16 am

Nathan2331 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Nathan2331 wrote:I don't get why so many people are low on this draft. There are a lot of prospects who project well in the NBA. They are flawed, but that's to be expected with 1-2 years of college experience.

Anyways, by the time the NBA draft comes I hope we can end up with Zion and Bol Bol. Having Bol at center I think would allow us to at least try playing Zion at SF. If we get the #1 pick, Zion has to be the choice, but I also want Collins to be a PF practically full time. So in order to make that work we'd need a center who can be useful standing on the 3 point line and still present defensive value: enter Bol Bol.

Projectable is always going to be a big factor. This draft is not projectable


I disagree. There's gotta be at least 10 wings in this draft who project to be starters in the future. Which is a big deal considering how hard it is to find wing players who can score and defend their own position. Barrett, Reddish, Hachimura, K. Johnson, Culver, Little, Langford, Hunter, Alexander-Walker, Okpala and Doumbouya have a lot of positives to work with. They of course are flawed but in the right situation they could all become great players.

There are a few big men who provide some value defensive value and could develop further offensively. Gafford, Hayes, Fernando, Porter, hell even Naz Reid outside the lottery would be solid picks for a team wanting a center that could be developed. Morant has exploded at PG, and there are probably a few more players who will make a name for themselves. International class seems to be week, but as far as the Hawks are concerned this is a good draft for us to have multiple lottery picks in (hopefully).

Maybe for the Hawks but for most teams, these guys potential can be ended Day 1.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#769 » by LunchBox21 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:44 am

I think you can argue Kevin Porter Jr is as talented as anyone in this draft besides Zion. Regularly flashing nasty crossovers and freaky athleticism. But I get the feeling that this guy is a lot like early career JR. Seems like a knucklehead, a lot of times in the game it just looks like he has no idea what's going on. The injury/suspension situation was weird. If he ever gets his head on straight, watch out.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#770 » by Spud2nique » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:39 am

Rui is balling out of control at Santa Clara. This kid is impressive. He would fit in beautifully with the Mavs pick as well. Lotta options.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#771 » by shakes0 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:13 pm





massive reach to even think about him in the lottery. He was manhandled by the stronger MSU bigs last week. 2nd round talent.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#772 » by shakes0 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:17 pm

If the Hawks draft 5th and come away with Reddish that would be great. I know he's disappointed for the most part this year, but I think his game translates as an NBA wing scorer maybe better than any player in the draft. Shouldn't have gone to Duke, should've gone somewhere he could be featured. Reminds me of Wendell Carter in that regard, another guy who has looked better in the NBA as opposed to at DUke where he was in Bagley's shadow.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#773 » by Hazer » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:06 pm

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massive reach to even think about him in the lottery. He was manhandled by the stronger MSU bigs last week. 2nd round talent.

Not so much: Fernando was just added to the DPOY candidate list, and is 26th in the latest aggregate mock draft. NBADraft.net has him in the lottery. He’s a 1st-rounder.

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#774 » by Hazer » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:22 pm

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massive reach to even think about him in the lottery. He was manhandled by the stronger MSU bigs last week. 2nd round talent.

Not so much: Fernando was just added to the DPOY list, and is 26th in the latest aggregate mock draft. NBADraft.net has him in the lottery. He’s a 1st-rounder.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi684nXyongAhUG0KwKHVZFCgUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhoopshype.com%2F2019%2F01%2F22%2Fnba-mock-draft-big-board-rumor-update-prospects%2F&psig=AOvVaw0rj7gXZLK6f7y2LNhV_EQM&ust=1548528056403645

MSU at home manhandles most who go in there. Fernando still put up 12pts/13reb/4asst in 30 mins. Goins led MSU with 14pts/12reb/2asst but in 33 mins. I watched the game.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#775 » by DirtybirdGA » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:08 am

Which of the bad teams need to get a point? The Murray St guy might push reddish or Barrett back.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#776 » by Hazer » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:27 am

DirtybirdGA wrote:Which of the bad teams need to get a point? The Murray St guy might push reddish or Barrett back.

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#777 » by Spud2nique » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:10 am

Duke stars are about to work kg’s GT boys.

Hawks need 1/3 Dukies. Zion/Cam/RJ
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#778 » by Spud2nique » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:18 pm

And here comes Duke...let’s see if GT can sustain the run that’s coming.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#779 » by kg01 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:38 pm

Spud2nique wrote:And here comes Duke...let’s see if GT can sustain the run that’s coming.


Not impressed with any of them. Were losing and playing poorly until both our bigs got 4 "fouls".

Reddish has been horrible.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#780 » by kg01 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:40 pm

Williamson has been standing under the basket all game pointing for a lob. When asked to do anything but putbacks he's looked like an UDFA.

Barrett plays D like Jabari Parker and he's got about 20 shots already.

Reddish has that Wiggins mentality. Just happy to be out there.
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