OT: WOJ: Anthony Davis requests trade; no intention of resigning with Pelicans

hype_2004 · Post #381 » by **hype_2004** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:43 pm

RapsAndJays21 wrote:WOuld be interesting to see what the get is from Boston.

Holiday and Mirotic should become interesting options for the Raps.

I would get those 2 especially Holiday and pair with Lowry.

Cool-Hand-Luke · Post #382 » by **Cool-Hand-Luke** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:46 pm

hankscorpioLA wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:Maybe LeBron pushes the Lakers brass to give up the farm so that he doesn’t miss the playoffs for the first time in ages. Every team will want in on this. I could see Sacramento, Denver and Portland being potential competitors on the market. Could you imagine Jokic and Davis together?? What about Lilard and Davis?? This will get pretty exciting over the next little while.

There is no "maybe"...the Lakers must offer the farm in the hopes to persuade NOP to not wait until the off-season for BOS to join the party because if they do, there's no package they can put together to beat what BOS can create. This is also with Woj reporting that NOP isn't in love with the Lakers' pieces so yeah it's gonna cost them (nvm Lakers "conveniently" leaking that they were willing to trade ALL of their young guys for a superstar just last week).

It doesn't matter what the Lakers offer. None of it adds up to Anthony Davis.

Agreed. The Lakers don’t really have any it factors outside of Kuzma, who still has a ways to go.

Son Goku 25 · Post #383 » by **Son Goku 25** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:46 pm

No matter how many teams are involved. Masai obviously needs to go all in to get a generational talent like him. Anyone but Kawhi pretty much.

SurgeIblocka · Post #384 » by **SurgeIblocka** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:46 pm

Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:I also don’t see how the Raptors are viable competitors whatsoever. I don’t think Masai risks the future of the organization for two players that may not stick around. We have to remember that MLSE won’t be interested in tanking for a longtime. They want a marketable product out there and with the Leafs doing well, a few years of tanking could set this franchise back in terms of market share of casual fans. Bottom line is that there are too many organizational road blocks for the Raptors to offer a decent package for Davis.

What are you talking about? Masai has already risked the future with trading Demar for Kawhi someone who my not stick around. This is the same scenario as last year and the great thing is he kept assets like Pascal, OG, Norm and Delon, JV who he can traded for a player like Davis.

We are in prime position to make a decent offer. It may not be the best offer but it can definitely be a compelling one. Where we lack is first round picks that are higher and both Boston and LA will have better picks to give and we can't give closer picks either as we can only trade our 2021 and 2023 FRP's.

everdiso · Post #385 » by **everdiso** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:47 pm

I am all aboard the Jrue Holiday wagon, btw.

Fairview4Life · Post #386 » by **Fairview4Life** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:51 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:I love Pascal but Tatum is above the rest of the pack.

He's the youngest and yet by far the most skilled already. He looks to have a similar career projection to be like Paul George which is greater than either Kuzma or Pascal. But I sure as hell pray that NOP would even consider trading with us since as it stands now BOS can't even make a trade until the off-season.

He really isn't. He is the youngest and most "skilled" I guess, but being skilled doesn't mean a guy is going to keep progressing, and it doesn't mean "most effective". Pascal is currently better than him, especially considering defense. Tatum might look better when he scores, but Pascal scores a lot more often when he has the ball. Tatum is young and only in his second year, so you can play the potential card and assume he will eventually get his PER above league average and maybe start playing better than average D. We can do the same thing with Pascal though, with the "he hasn't been playing basketball for very long and still has a ton of room to grow", and he's already an above average defender and can guard every switch.

Paul George improved in his second season, Tatum hasn't really, which isn't all that weird, but still doesn't put him on a Paul George trajectory.

Cool-Hand-Luke · Post #387 » by **Cool-Hand-Luke** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:52 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:
Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:I also don’t see how the Raptors are viable competitors whatsoever. I don’t think Masai risks the future of the organization for two players that may not stick around. We have to remember that MLSE won’t be interested in tanking for a longtime. They want a marketable product out there and with the Leafs doing well, a few years of tanking could set this franchise back in terms of market share of casual fans. Bottom line is that there are too many organizational road blocks for the Raptors to offer a decent package for Davis.

What are you talking about? Masai has already risked the future with trading Demar for Kawhi someone who my not stick around. This is the same scenario as last year and the great thing is he kept assets like Pascal, OG, Norm and Delon, JV who he can traded for a player like Davis.

We are in prime position to make a decent offer. It may not be the best offer but it can definitely be a compelling one. Where we lack is first round picks that are higher and both Boston and LA will have better picks to give and we can't give closer picks either as we can only trade our 2021 and 2023 FRP's.

We can agree to disagree, which is fine. I see him positioning the franchise for a future rebuild. He got DeMar off the books for next season. There are many writers that have put forth the same thoughts about this as well.

Fairview4Life · Post #388 » by **Fairview4Life** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:55 pm

Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:
Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:I also don’t see how the Raptors are viable competitors whatsoever. I don’t think Masai risks the future of the organization for two players that may not stick around. We have to remember that MLSE won’t be interested in tanking for a longtime. They want a marketable product out there and with the Leafs doing well, a few years of tanking could set this franchise back in terms of market share of casual fans. Bottom line is that there are too many organizational road blocks for the Raptors to offer a decent package for Davis.

What are you talking about? Masai has already risked the future with trading Demar for Kawhi someone who my not stick around. This is the same scenario as last year and the great thing is he kept assets like Pascal, OG, Norm and Delon, JV who he can traded for a player like Davis.

We are in prime position to make a decent offer. It may not be the best offer but it can definitely be a compelling one. Where we lack is first round picks that are higher and both Boston and LA will have better picks to give and we can't give closer picks either as we can only trade our 2021 and 2023 FRP's.

We can agree to disagree, which is fine. I see him positioning the franchise for a future rebuild. He got DeMar off the books for next season. There are many writers that have put forth the same thoughts about this as well.

He positioned the team for a rebuild while improving the chances of winning something this year. We'd still be in that position if we could somehow trade for AD to pair with Kawhi. There'd just be a much higher chance of winning something this season.

I love Pascal, but not having him around for a rebuild isn't the end of the world. There are going to be some painful years restocking, more than likely, regardless of his development.

kwajo · Post #389 » by **kwajo** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:56 pm

Jcity08 wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:NUT

Would give my left arm and right nut, plus my future 1st childs naming rights to see AD & Kawhi together in a Raptors Uniform.

Ibaka, Siakam, OG, Delon + 2 future 1st for AD & possible Filler

Lowry, Green, Kawhi, *Filler*, AD
FVV, McCaw, Norm, Miles/Boucher, JV (Monroe as injury backup)

In playoffs

Lowry, Green, Kawhi, AD, JV, FVV, Norm, McCaw, Filler if they are make a difference for us (tight 9 - 10 man rotation).

We lose a bit of length but this squad could have the best chance to beat the Warriors.

At the end of the day though, I think he's teaming up with LABron. So this is all just fanservice but a pipe dream.

If Masai could finesse a trade though, he needs to get a statue and the city should be renamed as Masaironto.

Make it happen Masai, the Klaw and the Brow together sound like a superhero duo.

mieshpal · Post #390 » by **mieshpal** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:02 pm

Masai should be instantly waiving a package with og pascal and JV. IMO Pelicans should try to work with the raps if a package like that is offered.

I would take Pascal over anyone or two of lakers assets ball kuzma and Ingram which u know they will be dangling

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hype_2004 · Post #391 » by **hype_2004** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:03 pm

He's a rental to any team not named the Lakers, it's obvious that Lebron got in this guys ear. Dude should make his own decisions and not follow someone influencing him so as to get him achieve his selfish goals of winning more titles.

TheBoi10 · Post #392 » by **TheBoi10** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:04 pm

McFurious1 wrote:
whoknows wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:That’s fair. Bosh should have done this

True, Bosh was the biggest stab in the back we got as a franchise.

This is what I've been saying, but alot of people forget Bosh left us with nothing in return.

No we didn't. Bosh left in a single and trade. We got our pick back from miami which happened to be JV.

RapsAndJays21 · Post #393 » by **RapsAndJays21** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:05 pm

Do we think a Raps package is more appealing than the Lakers package? Assuming everyone minus Kawhi is on the table.

mieshpal · Post #394 » by **mieshpal** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:05 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:
What are you talking about? Masai has already risked the future with trading Demar for Kawhi someone who my not stick around. This is the same scenario as last year and the great thing is he kept assets like Pascal, OG, Norm and Delon, JV who he can traded for a player like Davis.

We are in prime position to make a decent offer. It may not be the best offer but it can definitely be a compelling one. Where we lack is first round picks that are higher and both Boston and LA will have better picks to give and we can't give closer picks either as we can only trade our 2021 and 2023 FRP's.

We can agree to disagree, which is fine. I see him positioning the franchise for a future rebuild. He got DeMar off the books for next season. There are many writers that have put forth the same thoughts about this as well.

He positioned the team for a rebuild while improving the chances of winning something this year. We'd still be in that position if we could somehow trade for AD to pair with Kawhi. There'd just be a much higher chance of winning something this season.

I love Pascal, but not having him around for a rebuild isn't the end of the world. There are going to be some painful years restocking, more than likely, regardless of his development.

u go for it imo...having the opportunity to asd Davis to a roster with Kyle Kawhi green Ibaka is a no brainer if u have to give up a pascal and og and a couple more assets. We are trying to win a championship, not rebuild and continue to hope to have an opportunity to be in this position.

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Kinger95 · Post #395 » by **Kinger95** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:05 pm

All I know is that OG has potential and you hate giving up on that but currently today he’s not Playing at a high level. Siakam is the main piece so they’re gonna need him no matter what.

Pretty much everybody is available except kawhi, Danny and Kyle.

The fact that he’s got another year left too. You give up a swap on your 2020 1st. And then you give your 2021 1st (top 10 protected)

SurgeIblocka · Post #396 » by **SurgeIblocka** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:06 pm

hype_2004 wrote:He's a rental to any team not named the Lakers, it's obvious that Lebron got in this guys ear. Dude should make his own decisions and not follow someone influencing him so as to get him achieve his selfish goals of winning more titles.

And we would be the prime team ready to accept a rental, heck half our team is a rental. Kawhi may be gone. Serge and Lowry will be gone a year after if not next year. We are the best team to trade with that would not complain about him being a rental.

Tim Horton · Post #397 » by **Tim Horton** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:07 pm

if there are players i'd want to mortgage the future of this team for in a trade, Davis is one of them.

OG, Siakam and JV, picks, cash and Superfan for Davis.

Red_Claw · Post #398 » by **Red_Claw** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:07 pm

Worst case scenario for the Raps is if the clips make an offer.

Harris + Gortat + Bradley + Harrell + SGA + FRP
For
Davis + Hill + Moore + Miller

Kawhi Is definitly gone if Davis is in a clips uniform.

Kinger95 · Post #399 » by **Kinger95** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:08 pm

mieshpal wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:
We can agree to disagree, which is fine. I see him positioning the franchise for a future rebuild. He got DeMar off the books for next season. There are many writers that have put forth the same thoughts about this as well.

He positioned the team for a rebuild while improving the chances of winning something this year. We'd still be in that position if we could somehow trade for AD to pair with Kawhi. There'd just be a much higher chance of winning something this season.

I love Pascal, but not having him around for a rebuild isn't the end of the world. There are going to be some painful years restocking, more than likely, regardless of his development.
u go for it imo...having the opportunity to asd Davis to a roster with Kyle Kawhi green Ibaka is a no brainer if u have to give up a pascal and og and a couple more assets. We are trying to win a championship, not rebuild and continue to hope to have an opportunity to be in this position.

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Pascal is an amazing 3rd/4th piece on a good team. I dunno if he’s a cornerstone to a franchise.

Plus Davis is 1 year older than siakam. Hard to believe but you do anything u can to get Davis

super_balls · Post #400 » by **super_balls** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:09 pm

RapsAndJays21 wrote:Do we think a Raps package is more appealing than the Lakers package? Assuming everyone minus Kawhi is on the table.

Yes, Pascal is the best prospect in the deal. He is arguably a top 30 player or better. The only issue I see is that we don't have any expirings.

I like the Pascal, Delon, JV, OG and Top 3 Protected 2021 First idea. If Kawhi does not resign this year, we can move Davis in the offseason for some prospects.

Plus, Serge, Miles, and Lowry will all be expiring that year. FULL REBUILD MODE.