ImageImage

GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST

Moderators: fatlever, JDR720, Diop, BigSlam, yosemiteben

Chapelchilla
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,876
And1: 1,303
Joined: Aug 04, 2014
         

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#121 » by Chapelchilla » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:26 pm

A couple of more nice games from Monk and maybe we can get a decent trade return from him. If we are keeping Kemba this summer it is going to be hard for him to be our starting 2 guard.
euphorbus
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 1,480
Joined: Sep 28, 2015

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#122 » by euphorbus » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:37 pm

catch20two wrote:Mitchell is already a star player and can grow into a superstar sooner than later.


Here is a head-to-head comparison on a 36-minute basis:

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1628378&VsPlayerID=1628370&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36
Lwcasu
Pro Prospect
Posts: 843
And1: 322
Joined: Apr 10, 2014
Location: China
         

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#123 » by Lwcasu » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:53 pm

catch20two wrote:Monk ain’t on Mitchell level. I deaded that belief around March/April of 2018.

I was ultra high on Monk and preferred him over Mitchell but Mitchell proved me dead wrong. Ain’t the same Mitchell I remember watching at Louisville. Mitchell is already a star player and can grow into a superstar sooner than later.


Mitchell could also just say the same. Remember Tyreke Evans? It’s possible at some point Monk catches Mitchell. If we keep him it all depends on if we keep Lamb and Kemba to whether Monk gets the playing time. Monk catches me as one of those guys who could get hot and rise to another level. At this point, he needs to be a little more aggressive at times but watching him it seems the game is slowing down and that’s a good sign.
euphorbus
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 1,480
Joined: Sep 28, 2015

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#124 » by euphorbus » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:36 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:A couple of more nice games from Monk and maybe we can get a decent trade return from him. If we are keeping Kemba this summer it is going to be hard for him to be our starting 2 guard.


Monk has the "It" factor. You just do not give up guys who have that kind of talent and charisma, not if you want to keep fans in the seats. He will be 21 on Monday. Think about that. Monk has a lot to learn, but it is way too early to give up on him. Thanks to Coach Clifford, last season was mostly lost, though I think the idea that defense is not optional did finally sink in.
User avatar
catch20two
RealGM
Posts: 21,424
And1: 4,666
Joined: Nov 04, 2012
       

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#125 » by catch20two » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:34 pm

euphorbus wrote:
catch20two wrote:Mitchell is already a star player and can grow into a superstar sooner than later.


Here is a head-to-head comparison on a 36-minute basis:

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1628378&VsPlayerID=1628370&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36

Mitchell beating Monk in every per 36 category and that’s before mentioning percentages.

Even better look at the major difference in advanced stats. It’s not even close.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628378&VsPlayerID=1628370&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36

Mitchell makes his team better while Monk makes his team worse.

I hope Monk grows into a positive player and I believe he can but I’m not going to hold my breath. He’s made no attempt to improve his defense or his shot selection from last year under Clifford into this season. That’s usually telling of how a player thinks between the ears.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
User avatar
catch20two
RealGM
Posts: 21,424
And1: 4,666
Joined: Nov 04, 2012
       

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#126 » by catch20two » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:35 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:A couple of more nice games from Monk and maybe we can get a decent trade return from him. If we are keeping Kemba this summer it is going to be hard for him to be our starting 2 guard.

Facts. Kemba and Monk cannot coexist as starting guards together. Not in this NBA.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
User avatar
fatlever
Senior Mod - Hornets
Senior Mod - Hornets
Posts: 58,931
And1: 15,519
Joined: Jun 04, 2001
Location: Terrapin Station
     

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#127 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:44 pm

i just dont get the monk is = to mitchell crowd.
User avatar
Liver_Pooty
RealGM
Posts: 40,725
And1: 16,719
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Location: Asheville, NC
   

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#128 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:11 am

Oer 36 numbers can be soooo misleading. Right now Monk can't hold a candle to Mitchell. I seriously think Monk is still 2 years away from being a pretty good player. If he even gets there.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
User avatar
316Hornets
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,246
And1: 2,882
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Milky Way
 

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#129 » by 316Hornets » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:15 am

Monk is solid. The dude just can't get into a rhythm playing sporadic minutes. I'm not going to compare him to Mitchell because you're talking about 2 completely different developments and environments thus far. I think the skills are there and he is a better shooter than Mitchell. Whether he is able to put it all together and become a consistent starter in this league is too hard to predict based on the limited sample size.

Monk has better True shooting % this year by .002. I expect that to improve once he gets minutes and into a rhythm.
The Charlotte Hornets will win their first round series against the Boston Celtics in the 2021 Playoffs
DY_nasty
General Manager
Posts: 9,369
And1: 4,947
Joined: Apr 14, 2010

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#130 » by DY_nasty » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:30 am

316Hornets wrote:Monk is solid. The dude just can't get into a rhythm playing sporadic minutes. I'm not going to compare him to Mitchell because you're talking about 2 completely different developments and environments thus far. I think the skills are there and he is a better shooter than Mitchell. Whether he is able to put it all together and become a consistent starter in this league is too hard to predict based on the limited sample size.

Monk has better True shooting % this year by .002. I expect that to improve once he gets minutes and into a rhythm.

he's not in the same league as mitchell at anything

im crying at you using a TS% difference of .002 though :lol:
Buzzzz
Senior
Posts: 538
And1: 552
Joined: Jul 02, 2018
Location: Australia
 

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#131 » by Buzzzz » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:46 am

Mitchell is given opportunities to fail without getting benched, Monk is not. It was only a couple of days ago that Mitchell was 7-24 from the field and not for the first time. He regularly has bad shooting games like that but they keep at it.

Monk on the other hand misses his first few shots and doesn't get back on the court.

That's the only point I was making. The player development is different because one team believes in their young players, the other doesn't.
DY_nasty
General Manager
Posts: 9,369
And1: 4,947
Joined: Apr 14, 2010

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#132 » by DY_nasty » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:59 am

mitchell is the sole initiator for the offense of his team. he's basically utah's kemba.

monk has one job - and he honestly isn't that good at it
User avatar
316Hornets
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,246
And1: 2,882
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Milky Way
 

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#133 » by 316Hornets » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:21 am

DY_nasty wrote:
316Hornets wrote:Monk is solid. The dude just can't get into a rhythm playing sporadic minutes. I'm not going to compare him to Mitchell because you're talking about 2 completely different developments and environments thus far. I think the skills are there and he is a better shooter than Mitchell. Whether he is able to put it all together and become a consistent starter in this league is too hard to predict based on the limited sample size.

Monk has better True shooting % this year by .002. I expect that to improve once he gets minutes and into a rhythm.

he's not in the same league as mitchell at anything

im crying at you using a TS% difference of .002 though :lol:


It's actually more a slight at Mitchell because Monk hasn't been a great shooter, but has overtaken Mitchell now. Mitchell's has went down from last year.
The Charlotte Hornets will win their first round series against the Boston Celtics in the 2021 Playoffs
DY_nasty
General Manager
Posts: 9,369
And1: 4,947
Joined: Apr 14, 2010

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#134 » by DY_nasty » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:27 am

its almost like he's the #1 option and defenses gameplan for him

whereas monk will go 1-11 any given night because why not
Braggins
RealGM
Posts: 14,476
And1: 9,270
Joined: Jan 05, 2014

Re: GT charlotte vs knicks 1/28 7PM EST 

Post#135 » by Braggins » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:28 am

I actually think Monk has shown more potential for development than any rookie we've drafted has in their first 1.5 years since I started following this team, not counting Kemba. Thats a pretty low bar, but still.

Monk couldn't get to the rim at all last year and was way too sporadic with his passing to really take advantage of his surprisingly good vision other than some very occasional flashes.

I don't even think his defensive effort is that bad for someone with his player archetype whose only 21 years old (technically 20 for like another week). His defense still sucks and his effort is definitely not there at times, but I think his issue has more to do with being scrawny and having inconsistent focus.

He still has a lot of things he needs to improve on, but I think everyone recognizes the talent, and you can actually see him developing and improving as the year progresses. I'm used to most of our rookies making to like year 3 and still haven't added anything to their game or really developed any skills other than just getting in better shape and improving their awareness.

If Monk puts in the work and Borrego has a legit development program I think he'll be pretty good.

Return to Charlotte Hornets