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Pick your free agent PG

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Which free agent PG do you want to purse (and why).

Eric Bledsoe
9
5%
Derrick Rose
41
21%
Goran Dragic
14
7%
Malcom Brodgon
37
19%
Ricky Rubio
39
20%
Terry Rozier
13
7%
Darren Collison
20
10%
Jeff Teague
3
2%
Rondo
17
9%
Other (who?)
4
2%
 
Total votes: 197

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Re: Pick your free agent PG 

Post#61 » by SensiBull » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:24 am

Derrick Rose.

If you're going to make Dunn compete for his spot, make him compete with someone who can tutor him too, but, also, for a time, supplant him, yet, play 6th man if Dunn improves.

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Re: Pick your free agent PG 

Post#62 » by CoreyVillains » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:27 am

Dan Z wrote:Depending on the cost I'd vote for Rubio or Collison. I originally had Rubio over Collison but the TO's are making me re-think that (Rubio averages 2.9 TO's a game; Collison 1.5)


That really isn’t that high for a point guard like Rubio. Plus he is a higher usage player who always has a higher assist %.
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Post#63 » by PlayerUp » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:43 am

Red Larrivee wrote:Because long-term, the new lottery odds aren't going to be friendly for teams that completely tank. Teams that are merely bad or mediocre have significantly improved chances of stumbling into a star via draft lottery. So, you may be wise in looking for other ways to add talent too.

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If you're a bottom 3 team yes but we're the 4th worst team currently and actually have slightly better odds to win a top pick than we would have with the previous draft odds.
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Post#64 » by PlayerUp » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:43 am

TheJordanRule wrote:Co-signed with one potential exception-- Rozier. That kid can play at an NBA starter level, and he's only 24. He fits the timeline and would bump Dunn to 6th man status. The "old vet" backers want to take us on a a path that leads nowhere. An old vet like Collison or Dragic would increase our wins by a 5-10, while adding little to nothing for us in future.


Exactly. Big difference from a 24 year old PG to build on and a 32 year old Collison.
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Post#65 » by PlayerUp » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:45 am

PaKii94 wrote:It's been discussed ad nauseam but you bring in a vet PG to help the development of our young bigs and run a good offense.


Not interested in this. Be patient and wait until we find a longterm PG. We don't need a 30+ year old PG right now.
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Post#66 » by PlayerUp » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:48 am

weneeda2guard wrote:Tank was over the minute we traded for otto porter and his huge contract.


Tank is over when our young talent is too good that we can actually make the playoffs without any veterans helping us get there. We're not there yet. Not even close.
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Post#67 » by panthermark » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:56 am

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PaKii94 wrote:It's been discussed ad nauseam but you bring in a vet PG to help the development of our young bigs and run a good offense.


Not interested in this. Be patient and wait until we find a longterm PG. We don't need a 30+ year old PG right now.

Your strategy is both illogical and unrealistic.

And if you don't find a long term PG for 3 years...you just roll with what you have?
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Post#68 » by Mk0 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:23 am

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Post#69 » by Jiipee84 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:29 am

weneeda2guard wrote:
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weneeda2guard wrote:Tank was over the minute we traded for otto porter and his huge contract. At that point you have a small window to build something significant with lauri and Lavine and porter and whoever we pick up in the draft this year, because soon lauri deal is due, and we need something great in place before then, to take advantage of the fact he on his rookie deal. Once he gets his big deal we won't have much room to sign anyone and we would then have to try and trade big contracts or have lauri and no one else here on the roster. And for the sake of earnings you just can't be that bad that long.

We can field a pretty good team next season, not a title contender, but a great core that may grow to a title contender. There are guys out there who fill our needs and we getting a high draft pick plus have pieces already in place. We can be in a good place if we make the proper changes


Lauri's rookie contract expires summer 2021 so there's 2 years time to resign him.
Of course GarPax can ask already what-kind contract Lauri is looking for starting season 2021-2022.

I don't know when is last possible timeline or schedule to resign Lauri but it's no number1 priority next season ( 2019-2020).
If i should guess GarPax and Lauri and Lauri's agent will start official contract negotiations in summer 2020 or autumn 2020.

and imo, that is not a long time, thats this off season and next trade deadline, next off season. that is how long we have to put together a quality core to go into the future with. not even only thinking of the cap space, but also looking at guys like lauri and then whoever we pick this year, ready to push their way off this team as most players are not going to want to remain on a team that is year 3 and then 4 and then 5 tanking tanking and tanking. we could end up with a porzingas situation with lauri. not saying we should have a title team, but at least a core 8 we can form as the foundation, we are at 4 in that core now, lavine, lauri, carter jr, porter jr and maybe denzel valentine, but he may be going. whoever we pick up in the draft this year will probably be another core piece. so it would be good to use the cap space this off season to add another core piece that fills a need. point is, we dont have the time to keep tanking year after year, especially if the end results are always not landing the best in the draft that can push the needle for the franchise and simply has a solid role player ceiling.


Yeah two years isn't long time and of course what earlier Bulls resign Lauri that's better.
You're right on that some player who are playing in Bulls right now probably won't stay if tanking continues another 2 or 3 years.

GarPax needs to do everything to avoid next Porzingis situation with Lauri.
It's no secret there are other NBA teams like Mavericks, Magic etc who will grab Lauri if he comes available.

Lauri is very big piece of Bulls future and if GarPax screws him out of Chicago that has to be their final mistake ever.
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Post#70 » by Nate3carp » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:16 am

I voted other. I’m not sure if D’Angelo Russell is attainable, but I would act quick (while everyone is waiting for the max guys to land) and test the Nets resolve, considering Dinwiddie just got a new deal.
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Post#71 » by Tetlak » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:22 am

nomorezorro wrote:brogdon averages less than 5 assists per 36 minutes. he's not a good passer and not the guy we need next to porter/lauri/carter

derrick rose is basically a shooting guard at this point too


He's never been a primary ballhandler on his team. Giannis, Middleton, and now Bledsoe all place in front of him in usage, and at most he was 3rd before Bledsoe got there. In fact, he has more usage this season than he did in his first 2 seasons.

I don't see how you can use that to call him a bad passer.
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Post#72 » by dumbell78 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:25 am

Rubio is probably your best bet all things considered. Guys like Rose and Brogdan aren't really PG's and aren't helping the development of our young guys.
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Post#73 » by Ccwatercraft » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:59 pm

Nate3carp wrote:I voted other. I’m not sure if D’Angelo Russell is attainable, but I would act quick (while everyone is waiting for the max guys to land) and test the Nets resolve, considering Dinwiddie just got a new deal.


ya, lets do one of those asik poision contracts, if nothing else make them pay up to keep him, but I suspect that he won't be getting the brush off from the nets along the lines of "go ahead an test the waters" I think they will make an offer pretty quickly to eliminate any issues there. I know I would, they still have the rich russian owner right? < the only one so far not connected to the trump campaign from what I can tell. edit: nevermind, 10 seconds on google showed that cnn has already mentioned him.
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Post#74 » by panthermark » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:27 pm

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Nate3carp wrote:I voted other. I’m not sure if D’Angelo Russell is attainable, but I would act quick (while everyone is waiting for the max guys to land) and test the Nets resolve, considering Dinwiddie just got a new deal.


ya, lets do one of those asik poision contracts, if nothing else make them pay up to keep him, but I suspect that he won't be getting the brush off from the nets along the lines of "go ahead an test the waters" I think they will make an offer pretty quickly to eliminate any issues there. I know I would, they still have the rich russian owner right? < the only one so far not connected to the trump campaign from what I can tell. edit: nevermind, 10 seconds on google showed that cnn has already mentioned him.

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Post#75 » by poolshark52 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:07 pm

I said Rozier. I think age wise he fits best, he has decent outside shooting, and good handles. I know that he hasn't had a long stretch of success yet, and that means you don't know for sure what you are getting, but hopefully that keeps him cheaper too.
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Post#76 » by RastaBull » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:09 pm

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Post#77 » by coldfish » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:13 pm

Ricky Rubio is the absolute last person you want off this list. OK, maybe Rondo.

Regardless, the next PG has to be a threat when he doesn't have the ball. Chicago isn't looking for someone to completely run the offense and have Lavine, Markannen, etc. just standing around.
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Post#78 » by panthermark » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:20 pm

coldfish wrote:Ricky Rubio is the absolute last person you want off this list. OK, maybe Rondo.

Regardless, the next PG has to be a threat when he doesn't have the ball. Chicago isn't looking for someone to completely run the offense and have Lavine, Markannen, etc. just standing around.

While you don't want them standing around, you do want a floor general that makes good decisions with the rock, and gets everyone into the offense in a timely fashion. I think the off-ball threat needs to be good three-point shooting (a knock on Rubio)....but we need a primary ball-handler. Dunn isn't it, I don't want Zach in that position full time.

Collison is probably the best fit, but we need a 25 year old Collison, not a 32 year old Collison. I'm not sure if he wants to come here and lead a bunch of kids instead of going to a contender at this point in his career.
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Post#79 » by RastaBull » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:21 pm

If we just stick with Dunn and don't land Morant in the draft ... then I like Collison.

I think he could be had at a decent price and a good length of contract. I think he'd add good qualities himself towards the make-up/direction of the team. Spacing, off-ball qualities, defense. He's played really well next to Oladipo last two years, would think he can play off of and with Lavine pretty well. And he's a good experience vet that can both push Dunn and mentor him a little on how to be both an off-ball PG and how to take the opportunities you have to orchestrate the offense.

If we draft Morant then I'd love Rondo.

Dragic and Russell (wasn't on list ... presuming he's in an expense above our range right now?) would be interesting if we just want to go for an out-right started and relegate Dunn to 3rd guard.


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Post#80 » by MalagaBulls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:32 pm

My pick would be to try and sign Brogdon to an offer sheet. Maybe something like 4/60M with the 4th year being a player option.
But a quick question, it seems pretty fair to classify Brodon as a good to ery good 3&D PG. But since he only gets 3.5 assists PG is that an indicator he cannot facilitate?

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