Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Well, there's always hope that we can buy out Lin and Dedmon, I suppose.

And, really, I prefer it that way if Schlenk wasn't getting anything of substance back. Where future trade negotiations are concerned, the other GM has to take you seriously when you say, "You can pay me what I'm asking, or you can compete with everyone else on the market for him."

Why would we do that?

What do you mean?

I don't understand the question.

We're in tank mode.

Winning games costs us draft slots.

If you're going to win, certainly don't do it using vets who very, very likely aren't going to be here.

Buh-bye, Jeremy.



Mr. Dedmon, you ready?

[MaceCase]

Going "full circle" it seems that you've been in agreeance with me from the very beginning yet still decided to argue for argument's sake.

Um. Here's your original statement on the topic, followed by my counter.



And every post you've made has been to reassert your point, and every post I've made has been to reassert the second layer below the surface... ie, that if the buyer thinks he might have more competition that would keep him from acquiring the asset he really truly wants to acquire, he's got a legitimate hard decision to make, and not this "I'll just wait until the After Christmas sale" attitude you allege would be taken.

(My position changes only in that instance that we find that the other buyer isn't actually that sold on the asset on the store shelf, and is just trying to get an After Christmas (aka, trade deadline) sale bargain before Christmas (aka trade deadline). In which case, the fool is the one who actually settles.)

So explain to me again how I've been "in agreeance" (hehe) with you from the very beginning??? You made that up. I have no idea how you got that. Absurd.

So you're saying it's better to trade?

[dms269]

I don't think the "can't trade them so we will buy them out" issue is unique to the Hawks. That is just how the modern nba works. Teams who are trying to win knows that they can just wait until after the trade deadline and sign players then when they get bought out from teams trying to improve their draft position.

Is it an issue? Of course it is, but the NBA would rather complain about tanking and finding a way to "fix it" without looking at the cause.

[personanongrata]

Buyouts really aren't fair to the team buying the players out. They are doing the player and the player's new team a big favor, and getting nothing in return.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

In most cases, there is at least the common perception, though who really knows, that the player takes some less money from the team in order to have his freedom to lock on with someone else.

In our case, there is appeal in removing the veteran element from our team so that, if we win (and accordingly, ratchet back our draft slotting, which is counterproductive) we only win because the youngsters were good enough to pull it off. It serves no long-term purpose for us to have vets on the team who almost certainly will be playing for other teams next year, and who would be assisting in pushing us further back in the draft.

So, even if they gave Lin the full payment, in our case, we absolutely are getting something in return... a different kind of addition by subtraction.

[thecampster]

The benefit is among reputation with the players. If you are the kind of organization who forces vets like Lin to stay when a trade couldn't be made but they could be signed it's seen as a dick move. Conversely, a team that actively looks to mutual benefit with these vets are respected by the players and encourages players to consider you in the off-season. The buyout of Lin this year is about encouraging vets to sign here in the future.

[thecampster]

Same note, we are moving toward the core and cap room to sign better free agents. Building that rep is hella important.

[Vol4ever]

Well we have on rare occasion signed a top level free agent. You have to win to bring in a top level talent, not sure the prime time players are will to play here. Live here? Yep but play here? Not likely. History is my proof.

[Hazer]

Well we have on rare occasion signed a top level free agent. You have to win to bring in a top level talent, not sure the prime time players are will to play here. Live here? Yep but play here? Not likely. History is my proof.

Agreed, historically. But Ressler is improved ownership. Schlenk is improved GM. CLP is well liked by players league wide, is proving to be player developer, and showing in-game coaching skill as a rook. Improved locker room, culture, atmosphere, vibe, reputation. Improved arena. Young and Collins exciting and highly skilled young core. Maybe that changes FA’s consideration of Hawks as a destination.

[King Ken]

Just sign Al and draft one of the Duke 3. Don't overthink.

[kg01]

Well we have on rare occasion signed a top level free agent. You have to win to bring in a top level talent, not sure the prime time players are will to play here. Live here? Yep but play here? Not likely. History is my proof.

Agreed, historically. But Ressler is improved ownership. Schlenk is improved GM. CLP is well liked by players league wide, is proving to be player developer, and showing in-game coaching skill as a rook. Improved locker room, culture, atmosphere, vibe, reputation. Improved arena. Young and Collins exciting and highly skilled young core. Maybe that changes FA’s consideration of Hawks as a destination.

It does appear we are heading in a better direction in that regard. Still in the infant stages of it, but at least the groundwork seems to be being set.

[kg01]

Just sign Al and draft one of the Duke 3. Don't overthink.

He's not a free agent this year anyway so ...?

[King Ken]

Just sign Al and draft one of the Duke 3. Don't overthink.

He's not a free agent this year anyway so ...?

He has a. Opt out clause and I been hearing his agent has been shopping around. Let's just say, teams are interested and he is interested and I am saying, if the opportunity comes, bring Al back ASAP.

[kg01]

Just sign Al and draft one of the Duke 3. Don't overthink.

He's not a free agent this year anyway so ...?

He has a. Opt out clause and I been hearing his agent has been shopping around. Let's just say, teams are interested and he is interested and I am saying, if the opportunity comes, bring Al back ASAP.

He's not opting out of $30mil to sign for a contract that would make sense for us at this time.

I could see him opting out but signing another max-type deal for some unsuspecting suitor just for the security of longterm contract. But that would be an overpay and would not make sense for us at this time. You don't (near)max-out roleplayers.

No, he is not s star or superstar. Stahhp, Supes

[King Ken]

He's not a free agent this year anyway so ...?

He has a. Opt out clause and I been hearing his agent has been shopping around. Let's just say, teams are interested and he is interested and I am saying, if the opportunity comes, bring Al back ASAP.

He's not opting out of $30mil to sign for a contract that would make sense for us at this time.

I could see him opting out but signing another max-type deal for some unsuspecting suitor just for the security of longterm contract. But that would be an overpay and would not make sense for us at this time. You don't (near)max-out roleplayers.

No, he is not s star or superstar. Stahhp, Supes

You are not thinking! Al makes perfect sense for us.

He covers all of our pain points.
He makes everyone around him better.
He will make Collins and Trae look like superstars next year.
He is PERFECT for us.
Worth every f$#*ng penny.
He is a superstar. I don't know how many times I got to tell you this.
I see impact as what's most important and there is no center in the NBA as impactful as Al.

That includes Jokic and Embiid.

Talent is great, impact is vital.
He does more for winning than any other big not named AD when motivated.

He took a team with a 2nd year player, a rookie, a center worse than Dedmon, the worse Morris, and a Dennis level PG to one game of the NBA Finals.

Took the least damn talented team in the NBA to 60 wins and took a 5'7 PG to the ECF. This man is a **** myth. Bring him the **** back!

[Hazer]

Alice Whorefart will never be a Hawk again...

[King Ken]

Alice Whorefart will never be a Hawk again...

You can call him all of the cute names but if and when he returns. So will the 50-60 win seasons and unlike before, this team actually has the talent to win it all.

[kg01]

He has a. Opt out clause and I been hearing his agent has been shopping around. Let's just say, teams are interested and he is interested and I am saying, if the opportunity comes, bring Al back ASAP.

He's not opting out of $30mil to sign for a contract that would make sense for us at this time.

I could see him opting out but signing another max-type deal for some unsuspecting suitor just for the security of longterm contract. But that would be an overpay and would not make sense for us at this time. You don't (near)max-out roleplayers.

No, he is not s star or superstar. Stahhp, Supes

You are not thinking! Al makes perfect sense for us.

He covers all of our pain points.
He makes everyone around him better.
He will make Collins and Trae look like superstars next year.
He is PERFECT for us.
Worth every f$#*ng penny.
He is a superstar. I don't know how many times I got to tell you this.
I see impact as what's most important and there is no center in the NBA as impactful as Al.

That includes Jokic and Embiid.

Talent is great, impact is vital.
He does more for winning than any other big not named AD when motivated.

He took a team with a 2nd year player, a rookie, a center worse than Dedmon, the worse Morris, and a Dennis level PG to one game of the NBA Finals.

Took the least damn talented team in the NBA to 60 wins and took a 5'7 PG to the ECF. This man is a **** myth. Bring him the **** back!

All his teams are sum-of-the-parts winners. You can't overly credit him for the results. If that 5'7" pg wasn't having an mvp-caliber year, doesn't matter what Al did/didn't do.

I don't disagree that he's the type of player that would elevate what we've got going on. However, NBA economics don't dictate that it's advisable for us to pay him what it would take to get him to opt out of that $30mil.

That's the logic HOU used to sign Paul which is turning out to be a spectacular blunder. That team doesn't even need him yet they're on the hook for that albatross of a contract.

[jayu70]

Al is not a SuperStar - T'was never so and T'will never be.

[King Ken]

Al is not a SuperStar - T'was never so and T'will never be.

Al is a superstar. Unquestionable one for me and those with similar perspective to me.