Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch

[D21]

Mavs are beating their chest at that max slot but we've seen the salary cap story before -- it means unless you do something with it. I don't see any massive FA going to Dallas, Cuban's been trying and failing to get the big fish in FA for years.

Maybe because DAL didn't have young potential stars with them, but only some veterans and a still competitive Dirk at this time.
Now, they have Doncic and Porzingis. If they add a top5 pick in this year draft, they have two potential star and this top5 pick to build around, and since Doncic and Porzingis already shown they can play for a playoffs team, the stars should look at DAL differently than the previous years...

People are stressing when the 6th spot is what we wanted from the Mavs from the day the trade was announced...

That's right, but people want the 6th pick, not DAL finishing with the 6th worst record, which means DAL not getting picked by the 4 lottery choice, and DAL finishing at 7th or 8th would decrease their odds at landing a top4 pick.
If they get it, then sign one star and a good player (and they can trade Hardaway/Lee), we won't get a good pick next year, so I prefer getting a 8th pick this year, than nothing this year and the 16th next season.
Since we will have our pick this year, better choosing two players now.

Now, which I would not accept is letting DAL get the 5th worst record with ATL finishing with the 6th worst, by winning way more games than DAL... It would just be stupid.
I don't have anything to say about DAL tanking now, with the trades they made, it's logic. Which I don't want ATL management allow them to improve their odds at a top4 pick when you have the possibility to get their pick, so please be smart like DAL

[Jamaaliver]

Carlisle reciting the company line:

The Mavericks went into Sunday's game with losses in nine of 10 games, but even with their first-round pick to go to the Hawks if it falls out of the top five, Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle said the plan is to play his regulars, especially Luka Doncic, as he normally would to win as often as possible.

"Everything's in play at this point, but we need guys going as hard as they can go," Carlisle said. "Our goal is to win games..."

Houston Chronicle

[personanongrata]

Mavs officially in 6th. One thing to mention though is our odds of the getting the 6th pick with the Mavs pick are better if they end up 5th, as opposed to 6th. Of course we don't want to do that for obvious reasons, but I thought it was worth noting.

That's really bizarre but it is still better to be the 5th worst in terms of having more chances of jumping to the first four in the lottery.

Yes I'm aware of that.

[Spud2nique]

POP goes the weasel. Hoping young Luka is ok longterm despite his Dallas fans coming onto our board and trying to devalue Trae for us.

If Luka is done the Mavs will probably go 2-14 the rest of the way. We can’t win more than 4 or 5 games.

[observer1995]

Yeah at this point I'd prepare myself to see Luka get shut down for the year. The schedule isn't easy going forward for the Hawks, so I'd say there's a good chance that there might be just 3-4 wins left. Vs Memphis is a pretty good chance at one and a couple more upsets, honestly hopefully one vs Boston.

Hopefully none vs resting playoff teams. I'd start everyone but limit players if we come across that case.

[saloonyk8]

The percentages are crazy, 37% they keep their pick at 6 and 20% at 9. There's like 1-2 games separating those teams.

Hopefully we can keep our own spot at 5.

[Jamaaliver]

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Dallas has dropped 10 of its past 11 games, drastically improving the Mavs' odds to keep their first-round pick, which will go to the Hawks if it lands outside of the top five. At the moment, the Mavs would have 34.5 percent odds to land in the top four. But the losing might be taking a toll on Luka Doncic, who sat on the bench with his head down for a little while after Jalen Brunson's last-second shot was blocked to seal Sunday's loss to Houston.

-- Tim MacMahon

ESPN

Hawks have chance to improve Zion odds, but they’re getting worse odds on Mavericks’ pick


Here’s a look at the odds for every draft position:



Atlanta has the second-hardest strength of schedule until the end of the season behind Oklahoma City.

The absolute worst possible outcome for the Hawks this draft is falling to ninth, the lowest they could drop with the fifth-best odds, and the Mavericks winning the lottery.

The Athletic

[Jamaaliver]

should WE TWEET THIS TO TRAVIS and Lloyd JUST TO BE SURE they're aware?

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[kg01]

should WE TWEET THIS TO TRAVIS and Lloyd JUST TO BE SURE they're aware?

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Too bad it's come to this but it appears we've gotta baton down the hatches on this thang. We've proven our point. We can win when we try. We get it ... now, it's time to get our 1980-90's clippers on. Time to morph into the Washington Generals up in dis piece.

Can we mock-suspend CLP for a few games? Install Big Bob Weiss as HC for the stretch run? Would Priest Lauderdale accept a 10-day if offered? Somebody dig up Acie Law. Can we sub a few fans in?

Nah, I got somethin' better than all that ... we can just up Baze's minutes.

[saloonyk8]

Shut down Trae and Collins!!!

[observer1995]

Kent Bazemore the tank commander lol. Yeah if we for example, come across playoff teams that are resting, I'd simply limit guys that start to 25 minutes or so and let Bazemore play 30+ and chuck off the bench.

Most have been fine role players at times, but letting this lineup: Adams/Bazemore/Bembry/Carter/Len all play together more than the better lineups should do the trick.

[King Ken]

Carlisle reciting the company line:

The Mavericks went into Sunday's game with losses in nine of 10 games, but even with their first-round pick to go to the Hawks if it falls out of the top five, Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle said the plan is to play his regulars, especially Luka Doncic, as he normally would to win as often as possible.

"Everything's in play at this point, but we need guys going as hard as they can go," Carlisle said. "Our goal is to win games..."

Houston Chronicle

I been watching them. This isn't the Hawks last year. They are trying to win games

[High 5]

Carlisle reciting the company line:

The Mavericks went into Sunday's game with losses in nine of 10 games, but even with their first-round pick to go to the Hawks if it falls out of the top five, Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle said the plan is to play his regulars, especially Luka Doncic, as he normally would to win as often as possible.

"Everything's in play at this point, but we need guys going as hard as they can go," Carlisle said. "Our goal is to win games..."

Houston Chronicle

I been watching them. This isn't the Hawks last year. They are trying to win games

"Trying" to win games after you dump 4/5 of your starting lineup doesn't mean anything.

[King Ken]

Carlisle reciting the company line:

Houston Chronicle

I been watching them. This isn't the Hawks last year. They are trying to win games

"Trying" to win games after you dump 4/5 of your starting lineup doesn't mean anything.

I am talking about the team. Not front office

[CP War Hawks]

People are stressing when the 6th spot is what we wanted from the Mavs from the day the trade was announced...

That's right, but people want the 6th pick, not DAL finishing with the 6th worst record, which means DAL not getting picked by the 4 lottery choice, and DAL finishing at 7th or 8th would decrease their odds at landing a top4 pick.
If they get it, then sign one star and a good player (and they can trade Hardaway/Lee), we won't get a good pick next year, so I prefer getting a 8th pick this year, than nothing this year and the 16th next season.
Since we will have our pick this year, better choosing two players now.

Now, which I would not accept is letting DAL get the 5th worst record with ATL finishing with the 6th worst, by winning way more games than DAL... It would just be stupid.
I don't have anything to say about DAL tanking now, with the trades they made, it's logic. Which I don't want ATL management allow them to improve their odds at a top4 pick when you have the possibility to get their pick, so please be smart like DAL[/quote]


As it stands they have the same chances at landing pick 6 as pick 1. Wizards will begin their tank soon so they have a good chance at finishing 6th or tying with Dallas.

Landing the 2020 pick is preferable to me, the talent is a tier higher in the top 10. It will take KP most of the season to shake off the rust. The West is still not a place where they will make the playoffs so pick 8 this year vs. pick 12 next year is relative.

[saloonyk8]

I think having 8th pick this year better than 13-15 next year

[saloonyk8]

Plus losing can only help our chances to land a top 2 pick. Basically losing is the only clear path to success for Hawks!

[thecampster]

Mavs are beating their chest at that max slot but we've seen the salary cap story before -- it means unless you do something with it. I don't see any massive FA going to Dallas, Cuban's been trying and failing to get the big fish in FA for years.

Maybe because DAL didn't have young potential stars with them, but only some veterans and a still competitive Dirk at this time.
Now, they have Doncic and Porzingis. If they add a top5 pick in this year draft, they have two potential star and this top5 pick to build around, and since Doncic and Porzingis already shown they can play for a playoffs team, the stars should look at DAL differently than the previous years...

People are stressing when the 6th spot is what we wanted from the Mavs from the day the trade was announced...

That's right, but people want the 6th pick, not DAL finishing with the 6th worst record, which means DAL not getting picked by the 4 lottery choice, and DAL finishing at 7th or 8th would decrease their odds at landing a top4 pick.
If they get it, then sign one star and a good player (and they can trade Hardaway/Lee), we won't get a good pick next year, so I prefer getting a 8th pick this year, than nothing this year and the 16th next season.
Since we will have our pick this year, better choosing two players now.

Now, which I would not accept is letting DAL get the 5th worst record with ATL finishing with the 6th worst, by winning way more games than DAL... It would just be stupid.
I don't have anything to say about DAL tanking now, with the trades they made, it's logic. Which I don't want ATL management allow them to improve their odds at a top4 pick when you have the possibility to get their pick, so please be smart like DAL

Sorry this has been driving me nuts for weeks. The pick is top 5 protected...not top 4. If they were 5 they'd keep the pick. I know why you keep saying 1-4 but its confusing for those that don't know.

2019 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-5 in 2019, 1-5 in 2020, 1-3 in 2021 and 1-3 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023 [Atlanta-Dallas, 6/21/2018] From RealGM

[thecampster]

Team Incoming Outgoing
Atlanta Hawks

Incoming

2019 first round draft pick from Cleveland
Cleveland's 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-10 in 2019 and 1-10 in 2020; if Cleveland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Atlanta by 2020, then Cleveland will instead convey its 2021 2nd round pick and 2022 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Cleveland, 1/7/2017]

2019 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-5 in 2019, 1-5 in 2020, 1-3 in 2021 and 1-3 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023 [Atlanta-Dallas, 6/21/2018]

2019 second round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 2019 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Charlotte, 6/21/2018]

2019 second round draft pick from Minnesota or L.A. Lakers (less favorable)
Sacramento will receive the more favorable of Minnesota's 2019 2nd round pick (via Cleveland to Portland) and the L.A. Lakers' 2019 2nd round pick (via Indiana to Cleveland to Portland) and Atlanta will receive the less favorable of these two picks (via Cleveland) [Cleveland-Minnesota, 6/25/2015; Indiana-L.A. Lakers, 7/9/2015; Cleveland-Indiana, 7/23/2015; Cleveland-Portland, 7/27/2015; Atlanta-Cleveland, 10/14/2017; Portland-Sacramento, 6/21/2018]

2022 first round draft pick from Oklahoma City
Oklahoma City's 2022 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Oklahoma City will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 7/25/2018]

2023 second round draft pick from Charlotte or Brooklyn (two most favorable incl. Atlanta, swap, Atlanta or Charlotte outgoing to Brooklyn)
Atlanta will receive the two most favorable of its 2023 2nd round pick, Charlotte's 2023 2nd round pick and Brooklyn's 2023 2nd round pick and Brooklyn will receive the least favorable of these three picks (via Atlanta's right to swap Atlanta or Charlotte for Brooklyn) [Atlanta-Charlotte, 6/21/2018; Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018]

2025 second round draft pick from Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018]

Outgoing

2019 second round draft pick to Washington
Atlanta's 2019 2nd round pick to Washington protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Washington will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Washington, 2/8/2018]

2020 second round draft pick to Boston
Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019]

[High 5]

Sorry this has been driving me nuts for weeks. The pick is top 5 protected...not top 4. If they were 5 they'd keep the pick. I know why you keep saying 1-4 but its confusing for those that don't know.

2019 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-5 in 2019, 1-5 in 2020, 1-3 in 2021 and 1-3 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023 [Atlanta-Dallas, 6/21/2018] From RealGM

It's nearly impossible for them to get the 5th pick. They'd have to fall to 5th, which is unlikely, and then it's only a 2.2% chance.