Zion Williamson in the NBA?

clyde21 · Post #121 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:50 am

Shock Defeat wrote:Zion is the next face of the NBA.

He is the heir apparent to King James.

Book it.

Book it?

you're not saying anything earth shattering here lol

elchengue20 · Post #122 » by **elchengue20** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:50 am

He will be a modern more athletic Charles Barkley or a Draymond Grenn on steroids.

clyde21 · Post #123 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:51 am

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
Oden, Durant and AD were in between those two groups. All of them would have been ranked well above Doncic as a prospect. John Wall too.

As good as Doncic is now, and I thought he should have gone #1 in the draft just as I’m sure you did, the fact he had so many doubters discounts his elite prospect status.

Maybe. I guess it's subjective in that respect and it wasn't universal as with LeBron and Zion.

I was still more convinced of Doncic last June than I am with Zion right now. I also think Zion could be great but I think Doncic was more of a sure thing.

if Zion isn't a sure thing then there's no such thing as a sure thing. he's literally as close as you can get to a sure thing.

i would legit be shocked if this guy doesn't win multiple MVPs, and I don't think that's hyperbolic.

Mylie10 · Post #124 » by **Mylie10** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:53 am

clyde21 · Post #125 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:53 am

i wish mods kept that thread from when the season started where I said it's tanking for Zion sweepstakes and people were trying to argue that's he's not the 1st overall pick... :lol:

Cavsfansince84 · Post #126 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:55 am

clyde21 wrote:
if Zion isn't a sure thing then there's no such thing as a sure thing. he's literally as close as you can get to a sure thing.

i would legit be shocked if this guy doesn't win multiple MVPs, and I don't think that's hyperbolic.

It depends what you are saying he's a sure thing to become. If it means all star then I'd agree. If you are taking it to mean future mvp candidate/winner like you mention above then no I don't agree. He still needs a legitimate outside shot imo to reach that level because I don't think he's going to be able to do that without one like Giannis has. I could be wrong but I'll be more or less rooting for him to succeed though.

Optms · Post #127 » by **Optms** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:55 am

Woody Allen wrote:He's too short and stubby for the positions he plays to be better than Lebron. That's it.

He'll have a hard time getting those shots at NBA level. Proper NBA defenses and players like Rudy Gobert can slam him to the ground.

Green font? No one is slamming anyone with 280lbs of muscle to the ground. You have it the other way around. NBA level athletes don't match up with him. Once he learns the pace of the NBA, he's taking heads.

clyde21 · Post #128 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:58 am

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
if Zion isn't a sure thing then there's no such thing as a sure thing. he's literally as close as you can get to a sure thing.

i would legit be shocked if this guy doesn't win multiple MVPs, and I don't think that's hyperbolic.

It depends what you are saying he's a sure thing to become. If it means all star then I'd agree. If you are taking it to mean future mvp candidate/winner like you mention above then no I don't agree. He still needs a legitimate outside shot imo to reach that level because I don't think he's going to be able to do that without one like Giannis has. I could be wrong but I'll be more or less rooting for him to succeed though.

franchise player. he's as sure thing to be a franchise player since Davis, and Durant/LeBron before that.

Optms · Post #129 » by **Optms** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:59 am

NY 567 wrote:His height, durability issues, and lack of shooting are all concerns. I think Durant and Luka were better prospects but Zion still probably gonna be really good. His floor is probably Julius Randle

He does share a ton of similarities to Randle in terms of play style.

That said, he's an infinitely better shot blocker and defensive player than Randle ever was in HS or College. Randle was terrible defensively. Not to mention the fact that athletically, these two are in completely different universes.

If Randle can do what he does now in the NBA, I can only imagine the havoc Zion will cause. He's basically Randle with GOAT level athleticism.

clyde21 · Post #130 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:59 am

Optms wrote:
Woody Allen wrote:He's too short and stubby for the positions he plays to be better than Lebron. That's it.

He'll have a hard time getting those shots at NBA level. Proper NBA defenses and players like Rudy Gobert can slam him to the ground.

Green font? No one is slamming anyone with 280lbs of muscle to the ground. You have it the other way around. NBA level athletes don't match up with him. Once he learns the pace of the NBA, he's taking heads.

lol, it's not even gonna be fair when he sniffs the spacing the NBA game is gonna give him.

it'll be like dropping a tazmanian devil in a hen house.

clyde21 · Post #131 » by **clyde21** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:00 am

Optms wrote:
NY 567 wrote:His height, durability issues, and lack of shooting are all concerns. I think Durant and Luka were better prospects but Zion still probably gonna be really good. His floor is probably Julius Randle

He does share a ton of similarities to Randle in terms of play style.

That said, he's an infinitely better shot blocker and defensive player than Randle ever was in HS or College. Randle was terrible defensively. Not to mention the fact that athletically, these two are in completely different universes.

If Randle can do what he does now in the NBA, I can only imagine the havoc Zion will cause. He's basically Randle with GOAT level athleticism.

maybe if you combine Julius Randle with prime Draymond Green and say that is his floor I'd agree.

artsncrafts · Post #132 » by **artsncrafts** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:08 am

He is going to have a better career than Greg Oden...maybe

enigmatics · Post #133 » by **enigmatics** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:11 am

Personally, I don't think his God status in college translates over to the NBA quite the same. It's easy to be a physical freak vs. the scrubs he sees at the NCAA level. Dude needs a jump shot badly.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #134 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:13 am

Who wouldn't you trade for Zion? The Warriors wouldn't trade Steph or KD(if they can keep him). Greek freak for sure. Maybe James Harden?

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The Lakers *should* be willing to deal 35 year old lebron for zion if offered (whoever wins Zion would never in a million years offer it of course).

Expiring uni-10th seed is a nonstarter.

Luka is probably the closest comp. The man-child Zion is a beast and instant much watch TV as already seen.

artsncrafts · Post #135 » by **artsncrafts** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:23 am

Kurt Heimlich wrote:Who wouldn't you trade for Zion? The Warriors wouldn't trade Steph or KD(if they can keep him). Greek freak for sure. Maybe James Harden?

....

The Lakers *should* be willing to deal 35 year old lebron for zion if offered (whoever wins Zion would never in a million years offer it of course).

Expiring uni-10th seed is a nonstarter.

Luka is probably the closest comp. The man-child Zion is a beast and instant much watch TV as already seen.

Wait I missed something who is trading Zion for Lebron :lol:

kxa007 · Post #136 » by **kxa007** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:24 am

The guy is 6-6 and everyone compares him to the best forwards in the game. Can he shoot better than the best SG? Can he defend the best Guards? The 3 point line is farther away than college in the era of shooting 3's, some of you will be really disappointed.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #137 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:29 am

artsncrafts wrote:
Kurt Heimlich wrote:Who wouldn't you trade for Zion? The Warriors wouldn't trade Steph or KD(if they can keep him). Greek freak for sure. Maybe James Harden?

....

The Lakers *should* be willing to deal 35 year old lebron for zion if offered (whoever wins Zion would never in a million years offer it of course).

Expiring uni-10th seed is a nonstarter.

Luka is probably the closest comp. The man-child Zion is a beast and instant much watch TV as already seen.

Wait I missed something who is trading Zion for Lebron

Lol re-read my friend. I literally said "whoever wins Zion would never in a milliion years offer it of course". :lol:

theonlyclutch · Post #138 » by **theonlyclutch** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:46 am

kxa007 wrote:The guy is 6-6 and everyone compares him to the best forwards in the game. Can he shoot better than the best SG? Can he defend the best Guards? The 3 point line is farther away than college in the era of shooting 3's, some of you will be really disappointed.

From what I see, he has the lateral mobility on par with great wing defenders like Paul George and Kawhi, as well as the defensive instincts to use the mobility. He's obviously not gonna be having much success shooting 3s but he can go ham at the rim either on-ball or off-ball. Look at what guys like Montrezz can do just by having endless motor and a bit of muscling around, getting lots of lobs or paint finishes, that is something that zion should be able to do right from the get go.

ubernathan · Post #139 » by **ubernathan** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:18 am

He'll be an all-star. No matter what else, he'll be able to brute force his way into the paint and draw fouls well. He's going to get tons of calls in the NBA, he'll live at the stripe. Lebron comparison is unfair I think. Too different of players. I look for him to be prime Amare with Shawn Marion's defense, more or less, once Zion reaches his prime.

ImSlower · Post #140 » by **ImSlower** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:23 am

This ping pong ball has a whole mountain of pressure, whichever one it is.