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Post#1021 » by KevinPandawong » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:37 am

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No thanks. No way in Hell would I take Bridges over Morant or Barrett.

Good point. And while I might consider it for Morant (depending how he does in tourney and combine), Batum's contract has too high of an opportunity cost for me to want.


That to. They should compensate us with a 1st for that terrible contract. We already have a better SF in Porter


I agree Charlotte needs to add more value, but you get (11) for taking on Batum and Bridges for (4).

I guess we have a difference in opinion on the prospects. Personally I see marginal(if any) differences in the stock trading down from Barrrett/Morant to Little/Hunter or Garland/NAW/White. Bridges IMO is better than all of them.

Regarding cap space, I don't mind the opportunity cost because the front office lost that opportunity to sign anyone with the negative press surrounding them. Wade and Parker are their last two big signings, and they've lost even more credibility with players in the aftermath of both. I'd expect it to take a season or two of the Bulls playing inspired basketball before any high-impact players get warmed up to the idea of coming to Chicago.

There's also just too much competition with cap space this off-season. I have a hard time believing Gar can even actually sign a player like Beverly. The FA class next summer is extremely uninspiring so they'd be saving cap for what? A chance to get a meeting with Anthony Davis just to get rejected?

2021 is the off-season Giannis and Oladipo are UFA and chances are Boston and Philly keep them from the ECF until then. Having the Bird rights to both Lauri and Otto that summer makes us an extremely attractive landing spot for them to buddy up. Batum's contract does not interfere with that off-season's cap.
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Post#1022 » by mack2354 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:01 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
KevinPandawong wrote:Batum+Bridges+2019 1st(11) for Felicio+Valentine+2019 1st (4)

If Culver is off the board before the Bulls draft, I want out of the top-4. I think pre-draft hype around players like Barrett and Morant could sway Charlotte into trading up and the Bulls would sweeten the deal by taking one of the worst contracts in the league off their hands.

Bulls let Lavine+Porter+Markkanen+Carter+Bridges+11th pick feature themselves on the roster and round it out with vet min steals. Personally, I think Miles Bridges is worth the 2 year hit to the cap space, they'd still be able to sign a vet PG with the MLE.

I don't really care how the cap is used in that window anyways, as long as they set themselves up to be a major player(2 max slots) in the summer of Lauri's extension. Charlotte IMO needs to add a little more value to the deal, but Miles Bridges would easily go top-5 in this draft for me and there's a lot of solid talent available at the end of this year's lotto.


No thanks. No way in Hell would I take Bridges over Morant or Barrett.


If Zion, Morant and Barrett go 1-2-3 like they are mocked then it wouldn't be taking Bridges over Morant or Barrett. How do you view the trade on draft day with those three off the board by the time we pick at 4?
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Post#1023 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:12 pm

mack2354 wrote:
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KevinPandawong wrote:Batum+Bridges+2019 1st(11) for Felicio+Valentine+2019 1st (4)

If Culver is off the board before the Bulls draft, I want out of the top-4. I think pre-draft hype around players like Barrett and Morant could sway Charlotte into trading up and the Bulls would sweeten the deal by taking one of the worst contracts in the league off their hands.

Bulls let Lavine+Porter+Markkanen+Carter+Bridges+11th pick feature themselves on the roster and round it out with vet min steals. Personally, I think Miles Bridges is worth the 2 year hit to the cap space, they'd still be able to sign a vet PG with the MLE.

I don't really care how the cap is used in that window anyways, as long as they set themselves up to be a major player(2 max slots) in the summer of Lauri's extension. Charlotte IMO needs to add a little more value to the deal, but Miles Bridges would easily go top-5 in this draft for me and there's a lot of solid talent available at the end of this year's lotto.


No thanks. No way in Hell would I take Bridges over Morant or Barrett.


If Zion, Morant and Barrett go 1-2-3 like they are mocked then it wouldn't be taking Bridges over Morant or Barrett. How do you view the trade on draft day with those three off the board by the time we pick at 4?


I don't see what acquiring Batum or Bridges does for us so not.
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Post#1024 » by gobullschi » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:30 pm

mack2354 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
KevinPandawong wrote:Batum+Bridges+2019 1st(11) for Felicio+Valentine+2019 1st (4)

If Culver is off the board before the Bulls draft, I want out of the top-4. I think pre-draft hype around players like Barrett and Morant could sway Charlotte into trading up and the Bulls would sweeten the deal by taking one of the worst contracts in the league off their hands.

Bulls let Lavine+Porter+Markkanen+Carter+Bridges+11th pick feature themselves on the roster and round it out with vet min steals. Personally, I think Miles Bridges is worth the 2 year hit to the cap space, they'd still be able to sign a vet PG with the MLE.

I don't really care how the cap is used in that window anyways, as long as they set themselves up to be a major player(2 max slots) in the summer of Lauri's extension. Charlotte IMO needs to add a little more value to the deal, but Miles Bridges would easily go top-5 in this draft for me and there's a lot of solid talent available at the end of this year's lotto.


No thanks. No way in Hell would I take Bridges over Morant or Barrett.


If Zion, Morant and Barrett go 1-2-3 like they are mocked then it wouldn't be taking Bridges over Morant or Barrett. How do you view the trade on draft day with those three off the board by the time we pick at 4?


I am a fan of Miles Bridges but would only consider making this deal if I knew who was available at 11. If one of Hunter, White, Garland, Culver, or Reddish are there at 11 I would consider pulling the trigger.
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Post#1025 » by sco » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:41 pm

I'll be optimistic that we draft Zion or Morant. We'd be able to add a near-max FA on top of that plus a room MLE guy. That could be exciting!

I wonder if Dunn/Val/Hutch/2020 protected 1st is enough to bring back another great player?

You'd have Zach, Otto, Lauri, WCJ, 2019 1st, Near Max FA, MLE guy, Trade Candidate...that's an 8 man rotation there...add Archi, Shaq and Selden on vet min deals and I'm thrilled!
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Post#1026 » by Nate3carp » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:33 pm

sco wrote:I'll be optimistic that we draft Zion or Morant. We'd be able to add a near-max FA on top of that plus a room MLE guy. That could be exciting!

I wonder if Dunn/Val/Hutch/2020 protected 1st is enough to bring back another great player?

You'd have Zach, Otto, Lauri, WCJ, 2019 1st, Near Max FA, MLE guy, Trade Candidate...that's an 8 man rotation there...add Archi, Shaq and Selden on vet min deals and I'm thrilled!

Unfortunately the way way to get “near max” is to dump Felicio and Dunn. And that still only gets is to $28 mil in space, at least per the Capulator (renounce everyone, waive Shaq, and change pick to #2)
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Post#1027 » by sco » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:09 pm

Say we get Zion. Who'd be up for trading Lauri and Otto for LeBron?
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Post#1028 » by WindyCityBorn » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:47 pm

sco wrote:Say we get Zion. Who'd be up for trading Lauri and Otto for LeBron?


**** no. Why would anyone be up for that? Draft the future then trade another key part of the future for 35 year old. We would not win **** with Lebron before REALLY declines.

Man that's an awful idea.
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Post#1029 » by panthermark » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:47 pm

sco wrote:Say we get Zion. Who'd be up for trading Lauri and Otto for LeBron?

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Post#1030 » by aramada » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:50 pm

sco wrote:Say we get Zion. Who'd be up for trading Lauri and Otto for LeBron?


I’d be more tempted to start him at PG and keep everyone
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Post#1031 » by Just_Bullz » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:35 am

As a GM I would bite the bullet by reducing Boylen's role and try to get Brad Stevens given how the Celts have underperformed to expectations. Steve would be a breadth of fresh air and a new environment would do him good.

If we draft Zion, trade him to sixers for Simmons. We can't be always on a tank mode and hope for unicorns. We need to compete and be relevant.
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Post#1032 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:38 am

If we draft Zion, lets go after Anthony Davis! We have enough assets to get him,including Markk and Carter! If we draft Morant, try to get best near max deal that complements the team best..

FA, Lavine, Porter, Williamson, Davis --- daaamn.. :D
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Post#1033 » by NecessaryEvil » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:57 am

Kris Dunn (former 5th pick/1 yr left), Blakeney & the 37th pick (2nd round) to GS for the 27th pick
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Post#1034 » by NecessaryEvil » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:13 am

Wendell Carter Jr.
4th pick (2019)
37th pick (2019 2nd round)
2020 future 1st
2020 future 2nd
2022 future 1st
Kris Dunn
Felicio (salary purposes)

for

AD
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Post#1035 » by Bulldog23 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:48 pm

I think the Bulls need a veteran center that can defend and score to rotate in relation with Laurie and Carter. I want Carter to come off the bench. I say make a trade with Hornets for Zeller.
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Post#1036 » by leo921 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:17 pm

Absolute dream situation - Bulls get the 1st pick and the Pelicans get the 2nd pick.

We then trade 1st pick, Carter, Valentine and 21 draft pick (top 5 protected) for Davis

I would then get Patrick Beverly and Taj in FA and have a team of Beverly/Lavine/Otto/Markkanen/Davis. That team has 3 great defenders, 1 average and 1 bad defender that can be easily hidden. You would also have a better bench of Dunn Selden Hutchinson and Taj plus whoever else the Bulls pick up. That team can play any style, score and play defense and will go deep in the playoffs.

For the Pelicans they have a great start to there rebuild with Holiday, Zion, Barrett, Carter, draft picks and cap space. Play young uptempo and hopefully make smart decisions
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Post#1037 » by magnumt » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:20 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:Wendell Carter Jr.
4th pick (2019)
37th pick (2019 2nd round)
2020 future 1st
2020 future 2nd
2022 future 1st
Kris Dunn
Felicio (salary purposes)

for

AD
I. Clark


That’s way too much for AD IMO.

Lakers bowed out, Celtics offer has been weakened, and that doesn’t leave many suitors. FOUR 1st Rounders seems like a lot. :dontknow: Especially without a means to add more around him (Otto eating up Cap) before he is up for FA again.

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SF: Gordon Hayward (36)/ Delly (12) / Dudley
PF: Kevin Love (36) / Frye (12) / Ellenson
C: Pau Gasol (32) / Noah (16) / Felicio


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Post#1038 » by Davell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:02 am

I don't think anyone is trading 1 for AD. And I'd legit HATE it if the Bulls did. You get Zion and you'll get a star to come join him, Lauri, WCJ, and LaVine.

Or you can trade Otto's contract, plus future 1sts and maybe WCJ, if needed, to accomplish getting a stud.

But no team is trading Zion. Not because he's surely going to be the best player in the league, but because he definitely IS going to be extremely good, at worst, and allows that team to add salary in other spots too.

Once it plays out, Boston won't give up Tatum. They'll package picks with Brown and lesser players or New York will give up a top 5 pick(not 1) with Knox or Smith. The Lakers probably can't deal Ingram currently and the Pelicans don't want to deal with them anyway. And honestly, there's not many other teams that can even beat those packages, to where it makes sense for them to do it. Especially if AD is dead set on testing FA, as he says he is.
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Post#1039 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:07 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:Wendell Carter Jr.
4th pick (2019)
37th pick (2019 2nd round)
2020 future 1st
2020 future 2nd
2022 future 1st
Kris Dunn
Felicio (salary purposes)

for

AD
I. Clark


Hell no. You must want to be the next Brooklyn Nets. New Orleans will be lucky to get two great assets for a guy demanding out.
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Post#1040 » by StephenAA » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:53 pm

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Can AD sign an extension this summer with the team he is traded to ??

I just can't see trading for AD with any of our assets if he can't...

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