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Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET

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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#41 » by TheLogician » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:14 am

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grumpysaddle wrote:I feel like 90% of the Suns injuries are just made up to lose more. No one gave Sarver the memo that the draft odds have changed this year and the draft also sucks for depth this year. Suns got momentum going and then all these mystery injuries that popped up after games. It's like they are actively trying to lose fans. The TJ injury was out of nowhere and now he barely is mentioned. The Oubre injury was something that didn't come up in game at all, and was just out of nowhere. Tyler Johnson injury? Out of nowhere. The only injury we actually saw was JJ twisting his ankle. I want to keep watching, but it's like they are just constantly saying, "Come back next year" x infinity.


I think Sarver is definitely tanking and trying to ensure best odds for Zion. No point in winning more games.


I doubt it. They clearly wanted to finish the season strong. I don't think Oubre is having surgery just for the hell of it. They were riding high after those wins. They didn't just suddenly create injuries to make us lose when we didn't need to anyway.

No matter how bad you are you have less than a 1 in 7 chance at Zion.


We tanked all year. No need to mess it up at the end.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#42 » by Gorilla Warfare » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:14 am

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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#43 » by NE1Care » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:14 am

Who is going to step up in the second half? It's all Booker. I do not really care to see Booker get 50 in another loss. I would like to see other guys turn it on and have a couple wonderful quarters. I am looking at Bridges and Bender.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#44 » by itlnsunsfan » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:17 am

NE1Care wrote:Who is going to step up in the second half? It's all Booker. I do not really care to see Booker get 50 in another loss. I would like to see other guys turn it on and have a couple wonderful quarters. I am looking at Bridges and Bender.


Lol dont hold your breath on Bender.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#45 » by Kerrsed » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:17 am

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grumpysaddle wrote:Only the Suns get that kind of treatment from refs.


A Utah loss could drop them to 8th seed. A win could take them as high as 5th.

But why does the league care about Utah? Only people in Utah care about Utah.

Edit: Plus they'd win without the bizarre officiating
anyway. The Suns are awful without half their players.


We were making one hell of a comeback that was quickly halted by a bunch of bad calls.

League doesnt care about Utah, you are correct, but they do care about money and the playoffs and matchups.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#46 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:19 am

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grumpysaddle wrote:I feel like 90% of the Suns injuries are just made up to lose more. No one gave Sarver the memo that the draft odds have changed this year and the draft also sucks for depth this year. Suns got momentum going and then all these mystery injuries that popped up after games. It's like they are actively trying to lose fans. The TJ injury was out of nowhere and now he barely is mentioned. The Oubre injury was something that didn't come up in game at all, and was just out of nowhere. Tyler Johnson injury? Out of nowhere. The only injury we actually saw was JJ twisting his ankle. I want to keep watching, but it's like they are just constantly saying, "Come back next year" x infinity.


I think Sarver is definitely tanking and trying to ensure best odds for Zion. No point in winning more games.


I doubt it. They clearly wanted to finish the season strong. I don't think Oubre is having surgery just for the hell of it. They were riding high after those wins. They didn't just suddenly create injuries to make us lose when we didn't need to anyway.

No matter how bad you are you have less than a 1 in 7 chance at Zion.

I don't think Sarver is smart enough to know that winning now doesn't change much. He's just so used to blatantly tanking at the end of every season. Then it's a "Next year we'll make the playoffs with our new 19 year old we drafted!"
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#47 » by Frank Lee » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:19 am

Jimmer looks like that unassuming guy at the Y that nobody can stop....except he's not at the Y
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Post#49 » by Kerrsed » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:21 am

Actually kind of rare to hear Chambers calling the refs out on the bad calls like he just did.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#50 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:21 am

People saying they don't want to see Booker score 50 in a loss... but he's literally the only one doing anything out there. It's not on Booker to get the rest of the team to look like they belong in the NBA. Booker is clearly the best talent on the Suns by a mile. But, it's a team sport and you can rarely win with only one legit star player.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#51 » by bwgood77 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:22 am

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I think Sarver is definitely tanking and trying to ensure best odds for Zion. No point in winning more games.


I doubt it. They clearly wanted to finish the season strong. I don't think Oubre is having surgery just for the hell of it. They were riding high after those wins. They didn't just suddenly create injuries to make us lose when we didn't need to anyway.

No matter how bad you are you have less than a 1 in 7 chance at Zion.


We tanked all year. No need to mess it up at the end.


Mess what up? We have been locked into bottom 3 for awhile. Even if we were to go on fire and practically win out at the end which was highly improbable we could have at best finished 4th worst and dropped our odds in the #1 pick from 1 in 7.15 to 1 in 8 draws.

I can see them not rushing people back who maybe could play but they are not completely healed so it doesn't make sense to risk it, but that's about it.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#52 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:22 am

Frank Lee wrote:Jimmer looks like that unassuming guy at the Y that nobody can stop....except he's not at the Y

And everyone can stop him.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#53 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:24 am

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I doubt it. They clearly wanted to finish the season strong. I don't think Oubre is having surgery just for the hell of it. They were riding high after those wins. They didn't just suddenly create injuries to make us lose when we didn't need to anyway.

No matter how bad you are you have less than a 1 in 7 chance at Zion.


We tanked all year. No need to mess it up at the end.


Mess what up? We have been locked into bottom 3 for awhile. Even if we were to go on fire and practically win out at the end which was highly improbable we could have at best finished 4th worst and dropped our odds in the #1 pick from 1 in 7.15 to 1 in 8 draws.

I can see them not rushing people back who maybe could play but they are not completely healed so it doesn't make sense to risk it, but that's about it.

Sarver isn't smart enough to realize they don't need to lose intentionally at this point. And it's not like he has much of a front office to advise him of that.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#54 » by bwgood77 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:24 am

grumpysaddle wrote:People saying they don't want to see Booker score 50 in a loss... but he's literally the only one doing anything out there. It's not on Booker to get the rest of the team to look like they belong in the NBA. Booker is clearly the best talent on the Suns by a mile. But, it's a team sport and you can rarely win with only one legit star player.


It is somewhat cool to see I guess but it doesn't do much for me especially since we have rookies we are developing who end up largely standing around watching. I'd rather he empower Ayton, Bridges and Melton to get involved more and play more team ball.

I've never cared much about one guy scoring a lot. Much more care about the team playing well and getting bettter.

It's not that I don't want him to score 50 but I'd like to see others get more involved and continue to develop chemistry on offense.

He's taken 17 shots to the rest of the entire starting lineup including Ayton only taking 9 shots. Of course no one else is doing anything. They are averaging 2.25 shots each playing with him to his 17 shots.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#55 » by Frank Lee » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:27 am

grumpysaddle wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Jimmer looks like that unassuming guy at the Y that nobody can stop....except he's not at the Y

And everyone can stop him.



Interesting fact .... pull up player comparisons on BBallRef... and the closest is Mike D'Ant :lol:

Who's his agent, cause this signing is a big favor to someone ?
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#57 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:31 am

bwgood77 wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:People saying they don't want to see Booker score 50 in a loss... but he's literally the only one doing anything out there. It's not on Booker to get the rest of the team to look like they belong in the NBA. Booker is clearly the best talent on the Suns by a mile. But, it's a team sport and you can rarely win with only one legit star player.


It is somewhat cool to see I guess but it doesn't do much for me especially since we have rookies we are developing who end up largely standing around watching. I'd rather he empower Ayton, Bridges and Melton to get involved more and play more team ball.

I've never cared much about one guy scoring a lot. Much more care about the team playing well and getting bettter.

It's not that I don't want him to score 50 but I'd like to see others get more involved and continue to develop chemistry on offense.

He's taken 17 shots to the rest of the entire starting lineup including Ayton only taking 9 shots. Of course no one else is doing anything. They are averaging 2.25 shots each playing with him to his 17 shots.

When they get the ball they are clueless though. It's not up to Booker to make them individually play more aggressive. I'm sure he'd love the help, but they get the ball and don't know what to do with it. He's not telling them not to shoot.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#58 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:32 am

Where did Melton's defense go? Rubio is making him look like a fool.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#59 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:33 am

bwgood77 wrote:
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grumpysaddle wrote:I feel like 90% of the Suns injuries are just made up to lose more. No one gave Sarver the memo that the draft odds have changed this year and the draft also sucks for depth this year. Suns got momentum going and then all these mystery injuries that popped up after games. It's like they are actively trying to lose fans. The TJ injury was out of nowhere and now he barely is mentioned. The Oubre injury was something that didn't come up in game at all, and was just out of nowhere. Tyler Johnson injury? Out of nowhere. The only injury we actually saw was JJ twisting his ankle. I want to keep watching, but it's like they are just constantly saying, "Come back next year" x infinity.


I think Sarver is definitely tanking and trying to ensure best odds for Zion. No point in winning more games.


I doubt it. They clearly wanted to finish the season strong. I don't think Oubre is having surgery just for the hell of it. They were riding high after those wins. They didn't just suddenly create injuries to make us lose when we didn't need to anyway.

No matter how bad you are you have less than a 1 in 7 chance at Zion.

Maybe not but considering where we are, sitting TJ the rest of the season and nudging Oubre towards getting his hand fixed before the start of training camp when he could possibly(I don't know the extent of his injury) play out the rest of the season wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Re: Game 75: Phoenix Suns (17-57) @ Utah Jazz (43-30) - 9:00 PM ET 

Post#60 » by SunsLyf3 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:37 am

Melton is soooo bad on offense. He should be spotting up and coming off the bench. I know we don't have much but I'd much rather start Okobo and let him figure things out than Melton. Okobo looks like he hasn't realized yet how good his ball handling really is and meeds to.get more PT. Melton is great on defense but seems completely lost on offense. Heck I'd much rather run a Fredette-Booker backcourt.

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