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Post#281 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:10 am

Coeur wrote:Not kp level athlete as a prospect


But that’s not the question in my mind. It’s can he become great with the ball as a passer and shooter. I think he can


What type of PF do you need to cover his weaknesses and maximize each other as a tandem?


As a passer, I think he can be pretty decent especially for a C.

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You would want a PF that can defend the perimeter, feed him the ball and shoot 3s. I guess a Pascal Siakam type. To cover for his weaknesses as a defender.

I agree in thinking he's not as good an athlete as KP (at least before the ACL tear.) Nor does he have the frame to get stronger like KP.

I think he's very clearly going to be a negative defender, especially in a playoff series. You really have to be sold on his upside as an offensive superstar to draft him.
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Post#282 » by clyde21 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:25 am

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Coeur wrote:Not kp level athlete as a prospect


But that’s not the question in my mind. It’s can he become great with the ball as a passer and shooter. I think he can


What type of PF do you need to cover his weaknesses and maximize each other as a tandem?


As a passer, I think he can be pretty decent especially for a C.

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You would want a PF that can defend the perimeter, feed him the ball and shoot 3s. I guess a Pascal Siakam type. To cover for his weaknesses as a defender.

I agree in thinking he's not as good an athlete as KP (at least before the ACL tear.) Nor does he have the frame to get stronger like KP.

I think he's very clearly going to be a negative defender, especially in a playoff series. You really have to be sold on his upside as an offensive superstar to draft him.


based on what? his elite block rate or elite DRTG?
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Post#283 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Apr 7, 2019 3:40 am

clyde21 wrote:
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Coeur wrote:Not kp level athlete as a prospect


But that’s not the question in my mind. It’s can he become great with the ball as a passer and shooter. I think he can


What type of PF do you need to cover his weaknesses and maximize each other as a tandem?


As a passer, I think he can be pretty decent especially for a C.

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You would want a PF that can defend the perimeter, feed him the ball and shoot 3s. I guess a Pascal Siakam type. To cover for his weaknesses as a defender.

I agree in thinking he's not as good an athlete as KP (at least before the ACL tear.) Nor does he have the frame to get stronger like KP.

I think he's very clearly going to be a negative defender, especially in a playoff series. You really have to be sold on his upside as an offensive superstar to draft him.


based on what? his elite block rate or elite DRTG?


Blocks =/ defense

Look at this list of block rate leaders since 2010 and tell me how many good NBA defenders are there?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pi/shareit/kqz0l

Less than 5 in the top 100?


DRTG is pretty misleading as a stat as well.

It's based on his bad instincts, motor, awareness, ability to make rotations and inability to guard in space. All on a frame with high hips and no strength you don't exactly have Ben Wallace.


He is a great shot blocker and can recover really fast but that's only useful for highlights, not high-level team defense. Bol's rotations were so bad that teams shot better at the rim when he was on the floor, then off the floor. He is weak enough to the point where much smaller players can just push him under the basket and score right over him.

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Oregon had to switch to a zone defense because of how bad Bol was in space (which was atrocious and this is at the college level with significantly less shooting and ballhandling threats)

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If you look at all that and still see a positive defender somehow then the other guy was right and you are drunk on highlights.
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Post#284 » by Rockmaninoff » Sun Apr 7, 2019 4:53 am

He'd be a pretty perfect fit in ATL replacing free agent Dedmon.
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Post#285 » by MemphisX » Sun Apr 7, 2019 5:24 am

The thing we are forgetting when comparing Bol Bol to other unicorns is he is not just a 3 point shooting big. He is an elite shooter off of movement. Not elite for a big. Elite period. His shooting is a tick above Jaren jackson who I know is a very good shooter.

The value of ANY prospect shooting like that is crazy. To put it into a 7’2 guy is just crazy. Dude was the MVP of the EYBL. Dominated the EYBL. Just like another guy who had questions about him...Trae Young.

I severely underestimated him until i really looked at a lot of film on him. His defense is not going to be great. However, he is still going to be 7’2 and have a crazy standing reach. I mean we have seen Kevin Love play center at the highest level of the NBA.

I think if he was healthy all season, we would be talking about him and Zion like Oden and Durant.
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Post#286 » by Barnsey » Sun Apr 7, 2019 5:35 am

I don't know if Bol played enough games against high level competition to deem his offensive/scoring to be elite...

The sample size is too small to take the 3pt% TOO seriously.

He looks like a fluid scorer but I have seen some pretty mediocre offensive instincts in regards to tunnel vision / shot selection. Calling him a better offensive player than Porzingis is VERY optimistic. I need to see evidence of good decision making under pressure before i go there. I'm not saying he doesn't have it, i'm just saying we haven't really seen it, so i don't know how people in this thread are calling him elite.
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Post#287 » by doordoor123 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:26 am

Barnsey wrote:I don't know if Bol played enough games against high level competition to deem his offensive/scoring to be elite...

The sample size is too small to take the 3pt% TOO seriously.

He looks like a fluid scorer but I have seen some pretty mediocre offensive instincts in regards to tunnel vision / shot selection. Calling him a better offensive player than Porzingis is VERY optimistic. I need to see evidence of good decision making under pressure before i go there. I'm not saying he doesn't have it, i'm just saying we haven't really seen it, so i don't know how people in this thread are calling him elite.


He’s obviously an upside player who can possibly eventually be impossible to stop offensively. His defense is alright, but obviously is affected by fatigue, same as his speed. His ability to handle the ball and his length while also being able to shoot with his length (and thus a super high release) is what makes his upside scary. Even moreso than Porzingis. And then the potential for shot- blocking is just super valuable with his mobility and length. What he know for sure his his size and length, ability to shoot and handle, and his mobility. To me that’s enough to consider him a high pick. Yes, he has a weird skinny, long legged body that has a high center of gravity. He’ll get physically outmatched, will have issues on the boards against true center and will get beat on the wing, BUT his length will make up for being outmatched, he doesn’t need to be a great rebounder if he can defend the inside and score, and if guys pass him he does a good job of recovering just because of how long it is. If Tacko Fall showed me anything, it’s how much Bol Bol will be a problem defensively for opposing teams.
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Post#288 » by clyde21 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 10:30 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
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As a passer, I think he can be pretty decent especially for a C.

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You would want a PF that can defend the perimeter, feed him the ball and shoot 3s. I guess a Pascal Siakam type. To cover for his weaknesses as a defender.

I agree in thinking he's not as good an athlete as KP (at least before the ACL tear.) Nor does he have the frame to get stronger like KP.

I think he's very clearly going to be a negative defender, especially in a playoff series. You really have to be sold on his upside as an offensive superstar to draft him.


based on what? his elite block rate or elite DRTG?


Blocks =/ defense

Look at this list of block rate leaders since 2010 and tell me how many good NBA defenders are there?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pi/shareit/kqz0l

Less than 5 in the top 100?


DRTG is pretty misleading as a stat as well.

It's based on his bad instincts, motor, awareness, ability to make rotations and inability to guard in space. All on a frame with high hips and no strength you don't exactly have Ben Wallace.


He is a great shot blocker and can recover really fast but that's only useful for highlights, not high-level team defense. Bol's rotations were so bad that teams shot better at the rim when he was on the floor, then off the floor. He is weak enough to the point where much smaller players can just push him under the basket and score right over him.

Oregon had to switch to a zone defense because of how bad Bol was in space (which was atrocious and this is at the college level with significantly less shooting and ballhandling threats)


If you look at all that and still see a positive defender somehow then the other guy was right and you are drunk on highlights.


this is a ridiculous post to be honest.

no, blocks do not equal defense, but they do equal an aspect of rim protection, which is a subset of defense. there's much more to suggest he's going to be at least an above average rim protector in the NBA than not based on his production and physical tools.

and that argument of how many 'great defenders' on that list you posted is a non-starter. You can use that for literally any stat at the college level because they majority of those listed aren't NBA players. Do it for any metric and you can get to ask the same question. :roll:

furthermore, team/help defense is more important in today's NBA anyways, and that's where he'll contribute defensively, not 1v1 post defense. i've already shown examples of his prowess moving laterally and how quickly he covers ground, so the idea he's going to be a 'net negative' defender is absurd on every level and lacks any evidence, especially that he doesn't have 'the IQ' for it given that he's been an elite defender at both the HS and college levels.
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Post#289 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Apr 7, 2019 11:03 pm

clyde21 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
based on what? his elite block rate or elite DRTG?


Blocks =/ defense

Look at this list of block rate leaders since 2010 and tell me how many good NBA defenders are there?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pi/shareit/kqz0l

Less than 5 in the top 100?


DRTG is pretty misleading as a stat as well.

It's based on his bad instincts, motor, awareness, ability to make rotations and inability to guard in space. All on a frame with high hips and no strength you don't exactly have Ben Wallace.


He is a great shot blocker and can recover really fast but that's only useful for highlights, not high-level team defense. Bol's rotations were so bad that teams shot better at the rim when he was on the floor, then off the floor. He is weak enough to the point where much smaller players can just push him under the basket and score right over him.

Oregon had to switch to a zone defense because of how bad Bol was in space (which was atrocious and this is at the college level with significantly less shooting and ballhandling threats)


If you look at all that and still see a positive defender somehow then the other guy was right and you are drunk on highlights.


this is a ridiculous post to be honest.

no, blocks do not equal defense, but they do equal an aspect of rim protection, which is a subset of defense. there's much more to suggest he's going to be at least an above average rim protector in the NBA than not based on his production and physical tools.

and that argument of how many 'great defenders' on that list you posted is a non-starter. You can use that for literally any stat at the college level because they majority of those listed aren't NBA players. Do it for any metric and you can get to ask the same question. :roll:

furthermore, team/help defense is more important in today's NBA anyways, and that's where he'll contribute defensively, not 1v1 post defense. i've already shown examples of his prowess moving laterally and how quickly he covers ground, so the idea he's going to be a 'net negative' defender is absurd on every level and lacks any evidence, especially that he doesn't have 'the IQ' for it given that he's been an elite defender at both the HS and college levels.



So let me get this right, you said Bol Bol would be a positive defender because of his elite block rate and DRTG, but when we look at a list of players that also meet those qualifications we see that there is no correlation between that and NBA success? But that makes my argument bad and yours okay?

I don't know where you get this notion that strength is only useful for 1v1 post defense because it is not, its an essential component of rim protection, rebounding and even PnR defense.

Correct, team/help defense is extremely important in the modern league, that's where I am saying Bol Bol will fail. Why?

because he's got a poor defensive IQ and subpar mobility/strength and will get exposed both outside and inside the paint.

I have shown examples of his failure to cover ground quickly, move well or make the right rotation but we are going to ignore those in favor of yours?

Do you think him having a huge physical advantage like being 7'2 would have something to do with being a dominant defender in HS and college?

Has a prospect ever failed to translate into the league after dominating lower levels with physical tools? Wouldnt that be crazy?
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Post#290 » by clyde21 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 11:18 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:So let me get this right, you said Bol Bol would be a positive defender because of his elite block rate and DRTG, but when we look at a list of players that also meet those qualifications we see that there is no correlation between that and NBA success? But that makes my argument bad and yours okay?


No, I said there's zero evidence that he's going to be a 'net negative defender' as YOU put it, and used DRTG and rim protection as part of my case, which you just brushed off because they don't conform to your ridiculous conclusion.

So, we have a guy with elite length and size, who's mobile and can turn/flip his hips, a good athlete, who's been an ELITE defender in both college and HS...and yet you're sitting here saying he doesn't even project to be an average defender at the next level. It's complete and utter nonsense. You're just wrong.

I don't know where you get this notion that strength is only useful for 1v1 post defense because it is not, its an essential component of rim protection, rebounding and even PnR defense.


Rim protection and rebounding is much more about length, bounce and timing that they are about strength. Not saying strength doesn't play a role, but it's secondary to the aforementioned, of which Bol has in spades across the board. It's why again, he was an elite rim protector and rebounder at every level he's played in so far.

because he's got a poor defensive IQ and subpar mobility/strength and will get exposed both outside and inside the paint.


Except this is where ur wrong. There's nothing to suggest he has poor defensive IQ. Literally nothing. He rotates efficiently, displays great timing in rim protection and rebounding and is plenty mobile enough laterally to get to where he needs to go. I showed numerous examples of this earlier you're more than welcome to actually read the thread.

I have shown examples of his failure to cover ground quickly, move well or make the right rotation but we are going to ignore those in favor of yours?


Are you acting like I haven't been literally posting film of him this entire thread? Did you miss the last 5 pages?

Do you think him having a huge physical advantage like being 7'2 would have something to do with being a dominant defender in HS and college?


Of course that plays a part. Are we supposed to assume that it's not going to translate because you say so? :-?

Has a prospect ever failed to translate into the league after dominating lower levels with physical tools? Wouldnt that be crazy?


Sure, but if he fails it's not gonna be because he can't play defense. You're just wrong on this.
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Post#291 » by Stillwater » Sun Apr 7, 2019 11:28 pm

The only way Bol isn't at the end of the day a lottery pick is bad medicals, and he probably just won't provide them if they are bad... and somebody that is later in the lottery that he didn't work out for will gamble on his recovery with ltd information.Might be a dumb move especially if they are bad, but somebody always does this ofr high tier prospects.
Personally think if his medicals are given and have some concerns but no major red flags ,only enough to make some teams pass in the high lottery, he goes around 6-10 range. If the medicals come back with no concerns(doubtful) he is a top 5 pick
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Post#292 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Apr 7, 2019 11:33 pm

clyde21 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:So let me get this right, you said Bol Bol would be a positive defender because of his elite block rate and DRTG, but when we look at a list of players that also meet those qualifications we see that there is no correlation between that and NBA success? But that makes my argument bad and yours okay?


No, I said there's zero evidence that he's going to be a 'net negative defender' as YOU put it, and used DRTG and rim protection as part of my case, which you just brushed off because they don't conform to your ridiculous conclusion.

So, we have a guy with elite length and size, who's mobile and can turn/flip his hips, a good athlete, who's been an ELITE defender in both college and HS...and yet you're sitting here saying he doesn't even project to be an average defender at the next level. It's complete and utter nonsense. You're just wrong.

I don't know where you get this notion that strength is only useful for 1v1 post defense because it is not, its an essential component of rim protection, rebounding and even PnR defense.


Rim protection and rebounding is much more about length, bounce and timing that they are about strength. Not saying strength doesn't play a role, but it's secondary to the aforementioned, of which Bol has in spades across the board. It's why again, he was an elite rim protector and rebounder at every level he's played in so far.

because he's got a poor defensive IQ and subpar mobility/strength and will get exposed both outside and inside the paint.


Except this is where ur wrong. There's nothing to suggest he has poor defensive IQ. Literally nothing. He rotates efficiently, displays great timing in rim protection and rebounding and is plenty mobile enough laterally to get to where he needs to go. I showed numerous examples of this earlier you're more than welcome to actually read the thread.

I have shown examples of his failure to cover ground quickly, move well or make the right rotation but we are going to ignore those in favor of yours?


Are you acting like I haven't been literally posting film of him this entire thread? Did you miss the last 5 pages?

Do you think him having a huge physical advantage like being 7'2 would have something to do with being a dominant defender in HS and college?


Of course that plays a part. Are we supposed to assume that it's not going to translate because you say so? :-?

Has a prospect ever failed to translate into the league after dominating lower levels with physical tools? Wouldnt that be crazy?


Sure, but if he fails it's not gonna be because he can't play defense. You're just wrong on this.



There's obviously gonna be "zero evidence" if you consistently ignore all evidence that is contradictory to your point.

If you think there is "literally nothing" to suggest Bol Bol doesn't haven't poor IQ just tells me you haven't actually watched him play and are just going off highlights.

How about this, go back and watch the 9 games Bol played this season, but instead of paying attention to Bol pay attention to his teammates Wooten and Pritchard. Watch them as they have to micromanage his defensive positioning all the time because Bol is so frequently in the wrong spot. Watch as he gets gassed and then doesnt bother to gaurd or run back in transition at all.

Then come back and say how his defensive IQ is fine when it might be worse than Jahlil Okafors.
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Post#293 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 8, 2019 12:08 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:So let me get this right, you said Bol Bol would be a positive defender because of his elite block rate and DRTG, but when we look at a list of players that also meet those qualifications we see that there is no correlation between that and NBA success? But that makes my argument bad and yours okay?


No, I said there's zero evidence that he's going to be a 'net negative defender' as YOU put it, and used DRTG and rim protection as part of my case, which you just brushed off because they don't conform to your ridiculous conclusion.

So, we have a guy with elite length and size, who's mobile and can turn/flip his hips, a good athlete, who's been an ELITE defender in both college and HS...and yet you're sitting here saying he doesn't even project to be an average defender at the next level. It's complete and utter nonsense. You're just wrong.

I don't know where you get this notion that strength is only useful for 1v1 post defense because it is not, its an essential component of rim protection, rebounding and even PnR defense.


Rim protection and rebounding is much more about length, bounce and timing that they are about strength. Not saying strength doesn't play a role, but it's secondary to the aforementioned, of which Bol has in spades across the board. It's why again, he was an elite rim protector and rebounder at every level he's played in so far.

because he's got a poor defensive IQ and subpar mobility/strength and will get exposed both outside and inside the paint.


Except this is where ur wrong. There's nothing to suggest he has poor defensive IQ. Literally nothing. He rotates efficiently, displays great timing in rim protection and rebounding and is plenty mobile enough laterally to get to where he needs to go. I showed numerous examples of this earlier you're more than welcome to actually read the thread.

I have shown examples of his failure to cover ground quickly, move well or make the right rotation but we are going to ignore those in favor of yours?


Are you acting like I haven't been literally posting film of him this entire thread? Did you miss the last 5 pages?

Do you think him having a huge physical advantage like being 7'2 would have something to do with being a dominant defender in HS and college?


Of course that plays a part. Are we supposed to assume that it's not going to translate because you say so? :-?

Has a prospect ever failed to translate into the league after dominating lower levels with physical tools? Wouldnt that be crazy?


Sure, but if he fails it's not gonna be because he can't play defense. You're just wrong on this.



There's obviously gonna be "zero evidence" if you consistently ignore all evidence that is contradictory to your point.

If you think there is "literally nothing" to suggest Bol Bol doesn't haven't poor IQ just tells me you haven't actually watched him play and are just going off highlights.

How about this, go back and watch the 9 games Bol played this season, but instead of paying attention to Bol pay attention to his teammates Wooten and Pritchard. Watch them as they have to micromanage his defensive positioning all the time because Bol is so frequently in the wrong spot. Watch as he gets gassed and then doesnt bother to gaurd or run back in transition at all.

Then come back and say how his defensive IQ is fine when it might be worse than Jahlil Okafors.


The difference is between us is I never even said he's gonna be an elite defender at the NBA

you said he's gonna be a 'Net Negative' defender...so the onus is on your to provide the evidence...despite the fact that he's literally been an elite defender any time he's stepped on the court.

as for evidence, I've repeatedly posted film of him in rim protection, help defense and his lateral movements.

now, you can say you don't think he's gonna be a great defender, or even say he's gonna be average...but if you're gonna go as far as saying a net negative defender...that's just complete and utter nonsense based on all the information we have so far.
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Post#294 » by HeadtopChunes » Mon Apr 8, 2019 12:50 am

clyde21 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
No, I said there's zero evidence that he's going to be a 'net negative defender' as YOU put it, and used DRTG and rim protection as part of my case, which you just brushed off because they don't conform to your ridiculous conclusion.

So, we have a guy with elite length and size, who's mobile and can turn/flip his hips, a good athlete, who's been an ELITE defender in both college and HS...and yet you're sitting here saying he doesn't even project to be an average defender at the next level. It's complete and utter nonsense. You're just wrong.



Rim protection and rebounding is much more about length, bounce and timing that they are about strength. Not saying strength doesn't play a role, but it's secondary to the aforementioned, of which Bol has in spades across the board. It's why again, he was an elite rim protector and rebounder at every level he's played in so far.



Except this is where ur wrong. There's nothing to suggest he has poor defensive IQ. Literally nothing. He rotates efficiently, displays great timing in rim protection and rebounding and is plenty mobile enough laterally to get to where he needs to go. I showed numerous examples of this earlier you're more than welcome to actually read the thread.



Are you acting like I haven't been literally posting film of him this entire thread? Did you miss the last 5 pages?



Of course that plays a part. Are we supposed to assume that it's not going to translate because you say so? :-?



Sure, but if he fails it's not gonna be because he can't play defense. You're just wrong on this.



There's obviously gonna be "zero evidence" if you consistently ignore all evidence that is contradictory to your point.

If you think there is "literally nothing" to suggest Bol Bol doesn't haven't poor IQ just tells me you haven't actually watched him play and are just going off highlights.

How about this, go back and watch the 9 games Bol played this season, but instead of paying attention to Bol pay attention to his teammates Wooten and Pritchard. Watch them as they have to micromanage his defensive positioning all the time because Bol is so frequently in the wrong spot. Watch as he gets gassed and then doesnt bother to gaurd or run back in transition at all.

Then come back and say how his defensive IQ is fine when it might be worse than Jahlil Okafors.


The difference is between us is I never even said he's gonna be an elite defender at the NBA

you said he's gonna be a 'Net Negative' defender...so the onus is on your to provide the evidence...despite the fact that he's literally been an elite defender any time he's stepped on the court.

as for evidence, I've repeatedly posted film of him in rim protection, help defense and his lateral movements.

now, you can say you don't think he's gonna be a great defender, or even say he's gonna be average...but if you're gonna go as far as saying a net negative defender...that's just complete and utter nonsense based on all the information we have so far.




Look at it from my POV, i see a center that

1) cant defend the PNR
2) cant guard in space
3) will get pushed around in the paint and doesn't have the frame where you can really fix this
4) has one of the worst defensive IQs in the draft
5) has a poor motor/conditioning

You don't understand how I can call that a net negative defender? KAT who was infintinely better defensive prospect than Bol was a negative defender.

Bol might turn out to be average if he can figure out defensive positioning with his length.

The entire point of the talking about the draft is making projections. My projection is he is going to be a net negative defender.

You are severely overestimating the strength of your argument, nothing you said has been convincing to me to alleviate any of these concerns much less project Bol as a good defender.

The only film you have posted about his defense has been

1) him blocking a shot straight up which he pretty obviously can do

2) Bol sliding with non-nba players like Luka Vulikic and Tanner Groves?

But somehow this means he will be fine against NBA perimeter players?

Yet im the one spouting nonsense? :nod:

This conversation is going nowhere. But we will see how good Bol is as a defender soon enough. So ill just wait
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Post#295 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 8, 2019 1:29 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:1) cant defend the PNR


again, not really based on anything. you concluded that in the 9 games at Oregon in which teams barely ran PNRs against him?

2) cant guard in space


again, wrong.

here he is guarding in space:

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and here is guarding in space again:

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and one more:

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3) will get pushed around in the paint and doesn't have the frame where you can really fix this


this I agree with. he doesn't have the strength nor the frame to hold his ground against some of the bullys in the NBA...but that's not why you're drafting him. That's not one of Porzingis' forte's either and he's still a net positive defensively.

4) has one of the worst defensive IQs in the draft


completely unsubstantiated and based on nothing.

5) has a poor motor/conditioning


completely unsubstantiated and based on nothing.

You don't understand how I can call that a net negative defender? KAT who was infintinely better defensive prospect than Bol was a negative defender.


KAT is an anomaly. No one thought he was gonna be as bad as he is defensively in the NBA based on what he showed in college, but what does that have to do with Bol? :-?

1) him blocking a shot straight up which he pretty obviously can do

2) Bol sliding with non-nba players like Luka Vulikic and Tanner Groves?


uhm, yes? him being able to move laterally in space has nothing to do with who's in front him. look at the movement.

and all you've done is just repost 3 vids from the Athletic article.
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Post#296 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 8, 2019 1:33 am

btw, if you wanna compare his defensive IQ with KAT, a red flag for KAT was the amount of fouls he committed at Kentucky.

KAT: 5 fouls per 36
Bol: 2 fouls per 36

the fact that he posted an elite shot blocking rate while committing so few fouls is actually a huge testament to his defensive IQ.
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Post#297 » by HeadtopChunes » Mon Apr 8, 2019 2:42 am

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A live version of Clyde Responding to Bol criticism lmao

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I already answered all of this or the points are not worth addressing.

I have nothing more to say on the matter instead of go and actually watch Bols games. You like the idea of him more than the actual version. Especially when glossing over flaws he very clearly has.
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Post#298 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 8, 2019 3:41 am

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clyde21 wrote:


A live version of Clyde Responding to Bol criticism lmao

I already answered all of this or the points are not worth addressing.

I have nothing more to say on the matter instead of go and actually watch Bols games. You like the idea of him more than the actual version. Especially when glossing over flaws he very clearly has.


you're right, I provided no stats, film or evidence to back my opinion on Bol. :roll:
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Post#299 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 8, 2019 9:47 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
clyde21 wrote:


A live version of Clyde Responding to Bol criticism lmao

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I already answered all of this or the points are not worth addressing.

I have nothing more to say on the matter instead of go and actually watch Bols games. You like the idea of him more than the actual version. Especially when glossing over flaws he very clearly has.

You know that's not fair. It's fine if you disagree, but that was a cheap shot.

Bol's as polarizing a prospect as I can remember. What do folks think about his position. Can you team him up in today's NBA with a center?
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Post#300 » by HeadtopChunes » Mon Apr 8, 2019 1:06 pm

Ruzious wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
clyde21 wrote:


A live version of Clyde Responding to Bol criticism lmao

Spoiler:
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I already answered all of this or the points are not worth addressing.

I have nothing more to say on the matter instead of go and actually watch Bols games. You like the idea of him more than the actual version. Especially when glossing over flaws he very clearly has.

You know that's not fair. It's fine if you disagree, but that was a cheap shot.

Bol's as polarizing a prospect as I can remember. What do folks think about his position. Can you team him up in today's NBA with a center?


Its plenty fair if hes going to ignore all my arguments then say i have no proof. But it doesnt matter, im over it. I dont want to derail the thread over something petty.

To answer your other question, hes clearly a center since hes not as quick as Porzingis was.

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