WWE General Discussion II

[Dominator83]

Shinsuke was hot one day, his Smackdown debut. Man, it was a great debut. That was the high point of his main roster

You mean his NXT debut against Zayn? Because i was at actually at the arena for his Smackdown debut against Ziggler, and it sucked! it seriously felt like he was getting beat up for like 80% of the match. Couldn't be more underwhelming

[LLJ]

Shinsuke was hot one day, his Smackdown debut. Man, it was a great debut. That was the high point of his main roster

You mean his NXT debut against Zayn? Because i was at actually at the arena for his Smackdown debut against Ziggler, and it sucked! it seriously felt like he was getting beat up for like 80% of the match. Couldn't be more underwhelming

i'm talking in terms of overness.

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This video is exhibit A of "WWE ruins everything that comes in hot."

[improper]

Yeah, Nakamura was over as hell when he debuted. I don't think he's ever been the most over man in the company, but the crowd was ready for him and they should have capitalized on that and strapped the rocket to him. Instead, he did nothing before winning the Rumble, and then they had him lose his title match, turned him heel, and then had him keep losing title matches.

If you turn someone heel and then have them lose their first feud, it makes them look like they don't matter.

[Spens1]

According to the Observer and Meltzer. Sasha and Bayley where only told they where dropping the titles on the day of wrestlemania despite the fact that management had known for weeks, to make matters worse, they where also told they would be broken up and moved to separate brands.

Now this makes a lot of sense, the double whammy would have probably pushed Sasha over the edge and probably was her limit.

If it is true, its incredibly poor management for two women who you think by now they'd have the decency to state their long term plans, apparently you get respect from Vince by going up to him and challenging him, not in this case, its backfired badly for both women.

[Stanford]

Not trying to be that guy, but what does AEW's women's division look like?

[Spens1]

Not trying to be that guy, but what does AEW's women's division look like?

Other than Jordynne Grace and Tess Blanchard (i think she's signed with them), its really not all that good at all (like their is some okish talent like Kylie Rae, Britt Baker, Bea Priestley but nothing revolutionary), Sasha Banks would go straight to being the #1 woman in the company and biggest name outside the Elite guys, PAC and Jericho in the company.

Then again i think they signed Aja Kong so i'd say she's a bigger name i guess.

[LLJ]

apparently you get respect from Vince by going up to him and challenging him, not in this case, its backfired badly for both women.

That's a myth, a lot more people have failed than succeeded when taking hissy fits. Even Stone Cold could not get what he wanted when he took his ball and went home, and Stone Cold was the biggest WWE star of all time along with Hogan. Plus Vince is a lot more hardened now than he was in the 80s when he got pushed around by his stars more often.

There's also the fact that a woman being aggressive may be received differently by Vince. He's an old man and still harbors certain notions about men and women. He still books women far differently than he does the men.

HBK was an outlier. Whatever spell he had over Vince, it doesn't apply to most people.

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I love that Woods is such a mark for wrestling, he's so genuine about it too.

[Stanford]

Then again i think they signed Aja Kong so i'd say she's a bigger name i guess.

Aja Kong? That Aja Kong?

I guess the benefit of AEW for someone like Sasha is that she would immediately be the build-around wrestler without a ton of competition for her spot. The downside is that she would immediately be the build-around wrestler without a ton of competition for her spot.

[improper]

Not trying to be that guy, but what does AEW's women's division look like?

I imagine it will take them some time to flesh it out, as I'm guessing most of the more talented women are already under contract somewhere. WWE has a ton of them, even if they have no idea how to book more than three at a time.

[LLJ]

Then again i think they signed Aja Kong so i'd say she's a bigger name i guess.

Aja Kong? That Aja Kong?

I guess the benefit of AEW for someone like Sasha is that she would immediately be the build-around wrestler without a ton of competition for her spot. The downside is that she would immediately be the build-around wrestler without a ton of competition for her spot.

Aja Kong was signed for one event, I don't think she's a permanent addition to the roster. The only Japanese female wrestler they have committed to longer term is Hikaru Shida I think (she is moving to the US apparently).

AEW's roster should get filled out more as the WWE continues to torpedo their women's division though. I can't imagine Bayley re-signing after her current contract. Who knows with Asuka, she obviously has reason to leave but she also seems to have some loyalty to HHH as well. Mickie James seems ready to leave any time, and who knows how many other women in the company are unhappy, seems like a lot of them.

Then again same for the men too. Ambrose, Dillinger, KENTA and Harper are gone, there's probably more to come.

[Stanford]

Thing is, I can't imagine AEW has the capital to stockpile wrestlers like WWE is doing. They'll probably have to be more strategic with who they spend their cash. The current WWE talents aren't likely to leave for less money.

[LLJ]

Tony Khan is richer than Vince McMahon. The only reason people are talking about AEW is exactly this fact, that AEW DOES have the capital to be competitive.

[improper]

Thing is, I can't imagine AEW has the capital to stockpile wrestlers like WWE is doing. They'll probably have to be more strategic with who they spend their cash. The current WWE talents aren't likely to leave for less money.

Really, though, no company should be stockpiling wrestlers. It's a stupid business practice, as it's a massive waste of money. Meanwhile, things that actually improve the show like pyro (makes certain wrestlers feel more important) and custom sets for PPVs (makes them feel special and not like a slightly less sh*tty version of Raw) are too expensive, likely because they've got millions of dollars in contracts for wrestlers who don't even get on TV.

If I took over WWE tomorrow, my first act would likely be to release about half the damn roster because it's so bloated with guys who are either bad (like Corbin) or who have been ruined by years of WWE booking (which is sadly a good chunk of the roster).

[Stanford]

Really, though, no company should be stockpiling wrestlers. It's a stupid business practice, as it's a massive waste of money.

WWE makes a ton of content though. Plus house shows. It's not like dudes are sitting around doing nothing.

[improper]

WWE makes a ton of content though. Plus house shows. It's not like dudes are sitting around doing nothing.

Right, but they do have a lot of guys who barely ever make it on TV, and they definitely sign guys just so other companies can't get them, which is absolutely stupid imo. All it ends up doing is creating bad will among wrestlers, because nobody wants to sign with WWE just to sit around backstage while hacks like Corbin get tons of screen time.

[daoneandonly]

Thing is, I can't imagine AEW has the capital to stockpile wrestlers like WWE is doing. They'll probably have to be more strategic with who they spend their cash. The current WWE talents aren't likely to leave for less money.

Really, though, no company should be stockpiling wrestlers. It's a stupid business practice, as it's a massive waste of money. Meanwhile, things that actually improve the show like pyro (makes certain wrestlers feel more important) and custom sets for PPVs (makes them feel special and not like a slightly less sh*tty version of Raw) are too expensive, likely because they've got millions of dollars in contracts for wrestlers who don't even get on TV.

If I took over WWE tomorrow, my first act would likely be to release about half the damn roster because it's so bloated with guys who are either bad (like Corbin) or who have been ruined by years of WWE booking (which is sadly a good chunk of the roster).

Would make for an interesting exercise. I'd like to open this up to you and the rest of the board, if you could cut 10 current WWE wrestlers (male & female) on the main roster, who would they be and why?

Here's mine:

1. Natalya - horrendous on the mic, the definition of wooden, robotic, and bland
2. Nia Jax - careless in the ring, hasn't progressed one iota
3. Dolph Ziggler - i dont see any amount of booking that can salvage the damage they've done to him, plus he's paid very highly
4. Viktor - hasn't done bumpkus on the main roster
5. Konnor - see his partner's reason above
6. Jinder Mahal - not good in the ring or on the mic
7. Dana Brooke - see explanation for Jinder
8. Rhyno - im assuming he's still on the roster, if so, why? He's well past his prime, and never was a great mic worker
9. Apollo Crews - he's athletic, but he's short, that alone means they wont push him, plus he's hasd no character development at all
10. Tyler Breeze - they've made him completely irrelevant, doesnt have the size Vinny Mac wants

[improper]

Well, I'd cut pretty much everyone on your list sans Breeze, who I think is at least a good lower to mid-card guy with the right booking. He's not a star, but not everyone is. You need good hands like him to fill out your roster.

I'd probably keep Rhyno if he's still around for similar reasons. He's nicely suited as a tag team guy at this point in his career. Pair him up with someone younger who can work pretty well to carry their matches while Rhyno comes in and hits his spots and you've got a solid mid-card tag team.

Other cuts...

Men:
Baron Corbin
Roman Reigns - This one won't be popular, but WWE has ruined the guy. Let him go somewhere else and rebrand himself.
Bo Dallas
Bray Wyatt
Curt Hawkins
Curtis Axel
Mojo Rawley
The Singhs
Zack Ryder
Aiden English
Primo and Epico
Sin Cara

Some guys were on the bubble, like Slater. But fans seem to like him well enough and he's decent in the ring, so I figure you could do something with him.

Women:
Natalya
Tamina
Alicia Fox
The IIconics

I'd pair Lana back up with Rusev and never have her compete except in the occasional mixed tag, and I'd make Carmella a valet for someone since she's decent on the mic but terrible in the ring.

I'm sure there are people in NXT I'd cut too but I don't feel like going through that list right now.

[LLJ]

I'd probably want them to cut all my favorite wrestlers and most of the foreign wrestlers because the WWE misuses a lot of them. Obviously I want them to get paid well, so I'd wish for my faves to get signed by AEW or, if they are younger, build their personal brand on Impact (which, for at least the women's division at least, is actually well booked lately)

[Spens1]

Then again i think they signed Aja Kong so i'd say she's a bigger name i guess.

Aja Kong? That Aja Kong?

I guess the benefit of AEW for someone like Sasha is that she would immediately be the build-around wrestler without a ton of competition for her spot. The downside is that she would immediately be the build-around wrestler without a ton of competition for her spot.

Yes, THAT Aja Kong.

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