Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction

KillMonger · Post #901 » by **KillMonger** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:56 am

just watched the recap/highlights.....fournier man.....seems like a good dude but he has clearly regressed in some aspects......he's more coin toss than T-ross, you never really know which fournier will show up. Just don't have enough consistent scoring and balance, would've been nice to have Bamba and Fultz who knows what they've would've brought but at least they got talent. Clifford to me seems to have made small adjustments, i guess he doesn't want to go to far away from what has worked in the second half of the season.....BUT....it's the playoffs man, by any means

Rainwater · Post #902 » by **Rainwater** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:56 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:Also, AG is stupidly under appreciated here. So much focus on the things he can't do and ignoring everything he does do. He looks like the smartest passer on the team right now.

Decent player with great defensive ability, he got plenty of love today.

fendilim · Post #903 » by **fendilim** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:57 am

Rainwater wrote:
fendilim wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
The thing is that even if the magic do resign Vuc and Ross they are still not a lock to be a playoff team every year they are a borderline. Char or Miami could have easily made the playoffs and replace the magic. It would be terrible to pay Vuc and Ross and not make the playoffs.

True. But the Raptors werent really a lock to make the playoffs during their first run at it. They made a td trade that traded away rudy Gay, and made the playoffs. We can say the same for this team, arent we like top 3 in net rating since Allstar break?

As for the Fournier and Isaac rotation. We can keep put all defenders on the floor, but if we’re down by 10 and cant score it wont make a difference. Fournier has been a better offensive player than Isaac especially towards the end of the season. Clifford just had to stick whats been working for him all season. Tbh, I’d love to see a lineup of Ross, Fournier, Isaac, Gordon and Vuc. Ross is quick enough to defend point guards and fournier can defend the two. Its not like dj is doing anything good tonight anyway. With the offense being systematic, i think it has the chance of working.

I get what you are saying but what Happened to the Raptors is not the norm.

i agree, not a fan but that Seems to be the plan by management

Rainwater · Post #904 » by **Rainwater** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:59 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Yeah, we’d be Detroit paying Griffin, Jackson, and Drummond. First round exit and no clear way to get better with devaluing assets. Pass.

Truth. In that Detroit, Miami, Char, Brooklyn, Washington tier.

Brooklyn and Char actually have good wing and guard prospects though. They are built with depth and adopted modern basketball. Detroit and Washington are F’d because of their roster construction and bad contracts. Orlando will probably fall into the latter than the former if we start giving fringe allstars and 6th men big deals.

We are seeing eye to eye

woosah · Post #905 » by **woosah** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:00 am

Dang i wish i had been able to catch this one. 5-19 for KL? Who made that happen? No one hit over 5 shots, save Siakam. If only we could score.

Post #906 » by **SOUL** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:02 am

woosah wrote:Dang i wish i had been able to catch this one. 5-19 for KL? Who made that happen? No one hit over 5 shots, save Siakam. If only we could score.

Gordon and Isaac were both very good on defense today despite what some people are saying. Also funneled him into the paint for tough contests with Vuc too.

Post #907 » by **FFBlitzace** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:02 am

I expect management will feel priced into re-signing them. All-Star nod for Vuc, first playoff berth in 7 years, gotta keep it going right? Would be a hard sell to casuals to let them walk and take a perceived step backwards. Well the reality is, we really maximized things this year just to barely make the playoffs, and let's not pretend like the previous unsuccessful Vuc years never happened. I think it will be a mistake to bring them back (even though I like Ross a lot), but I expect that's what we'll do. We'll know in a few months I guess.

Rainwater · Post #908 » by **Rainwater** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:07 am

FFBlitzace wrote:I expect management will feel priced into re-signing them. All-Star nod for Vuc, first playoff berth in 7 years, gotta keep it going right? Would be a hard sell to casuals to let them walk and take a perceived step backwards. Well the reality is, we really maximized things this year just to barely make the playoffs, and let's not pretend like the previous unsuccessful Vuc years never happened. I think it will be a mistake to bring them back (even though I like Ross a lot), but I expect that's what we'll do. We'll know in a few months I guess.

Really good post, this really explains the situation the magic are in.

KillMonger · Post #909 » by **KillMonger** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:10 am

live and die by the jumpshot, we barely attack the cup even though we have some guys than can do that. It's just not the way we run our offense and that's on cliff, why can't we run pick and rolls when AG, Isaac or anyone is the roll man? In this offense the only players involved in pick and rolls are DJ and Fournier, DJ rarely attacks unless he has a wide open layup but most of the time on the pick and roll he goes "Ring around the Rosie" dribbling the air out the ball getting nothing done. Don't get me started on Founier on the roll with his weak ass floaters that almost never drops.

Clifford should just put AG and Isaac in the pick and roll, have them running downhill/straight line to the cup. They should either score or get to the line, i hate having to rely so heavily on the jumpshot. When the jumpers isn't falling we look like trASSh

VFX · Post #910 » by **VFX** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:10 am

FFBlitzace wrote:I expect management will feel priced into re-signing them. All-Star nod for Vuc, first playoff berth in 7 years, gotta keep it going right? Would be a hard sell to casuals to let them walk and take a perceived step backwards. Well the reality is, we really maximized things this year just to barely make the playoffs, and let's not pretend like the previous unsuccessful Vuc years never happened. I think it will be a mistake to bring them back (even though I like Ross a lot), but I expect that's what we'll do. We'll know in a few months I guess.

I’m fully expecting them to resign Vuc and Ross. They will roll forward with this roster for however long they can for all the reasons you named. Posters on this board aren’t casuals and I’m surprised there aren’t more people expressing these concerns instead of just having false optimism.

RaptorHooter · Post #911 » by **RaptorHooter** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:12 am

Solid Snake wrote:just watched the recap/highlights.....fournier man.....seems like a good dude but he has clearly regressed in some aspects......he's more coin toss than T-ross, you never really know which fournier will show up. Just don't have enough consistent scoring and balance, would've been nice to have Bamba and Fultz who knows what they've would've brought but at least they got talent. Clifford to me seems to have made small adjustments, i guess he doesn't want to go to far away from what has worked in the second half of the season.....BUT....it's the playoffs man, by any means

My Mom, who was a doctor, warned me about getting Fournier. Do yourselves a favor and don't google it.

MasterGMer · Post #912 » by **MasterGMer** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:17 am

Do we have any shot on Kemba or Tobias?

Rainwater · Post #913 » by **Rainwater** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:21 am

MasterGMer wrote:Do we have any shot on Kemba or Tobias?

The magic don't have the cap space

Optimus_Steel · Post #914 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:21 am

You keep adding to the team, not letting key players walk. Keep your key guys and add and retool where you can.

MasterGMer · Post #915 » by **MasterGMer** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:23 am

Are we really betting on our future on Fultz? Is this the only margin of improvement for this team this offseason? I hope we can resign Vuc and Ross. They both are the game changers for Magic.

Maybe, we could look at a trade if we want to improve?

fendilim · Post #916 » by **fendilim** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:23 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Yeah, we’d be Detroit paying Griffin, Jackson, and Drummond. First round exit and no clear way to get better with devaluing assets. Pass.

Truth. In that Detroit, Miami, Char, Brooklyn, Washington tier.

Brooklyn and Char actually have good wing and guard prospects though. They are built with depth and adopted modern basketball. Detroit and Washington are F’d because of their roster construction and bad contracts. Orlando will probably fall into the latter than the former if we start giving fringe allstars and 6th men big deals.

Man, hope we land dlo if we re-sign vuc and ross

Rainwater · Post #917 » by **Rainwater** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:28 am

MasterGMer wrote:Are we really betting on our future on Fultz? Is this the only margin of improvement for this team this offseason? I hope we can resign Vuc and Ross. They both are the game changers for Magic.

Maybe, we could look at a trade if we want to improve?

The improvements will be either via trade or internal.

fendilim · Post #918 » by **fendilim** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:31 am

Rainwater wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Do we have any shot on Kemba or Tobias?

The magic don't have the cap space

Stretch mozgov.

MasterGMer · Post #919 » by **MasterGMer** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:32 am

fendilim wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Do we have any shot on Kemba or Tobias?

The magic don't have the cap space

Stretch mozgov.

When could that happen?

fendilim · Post #920 » by **fendilim** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:34 am

Solid Snake wrote:live and die by the jumpshot, we barely attack the cup even though we have some guys than can do that. It's just not the way we run our offense and that's on cliff, why can't we run pick and rolls when AG, Isaac or anyone is the roll man? In this offense the only players involved in pick and rolls are DJ and Fournier, DJ rarely attacks unless he has a wide open layup but most of the time on the pick and roll he goes "Ring around the Rosie" dribbling the air out the ball getting nothing done. Don't get me started on Founier on the roll with his weak ass floaters that almost never drops.

Clifford should just put AG and Isaac in the pick and roll, have them running downhill/straight line to the cup. They should either score or get to the line, i hate having to rely so heavily on the jumpshot. When the jumpers isn't falling we look like trASSh

I reckon AG or Isaac pick and roll wont work because of the switch everything scheme. What works now is the 1&5 pnr which basically if you switch causes mismatch. It worked the whole of game 1.