Game Of Thrones: season 8 final season!

[spree8]

"If you want a queen, earn her."

changes mind in 5 seconds

I think his rebuttal made her think “wait, if I don’t just give it to him, he could turn on me, then I’m phucked”

Spoiler:

Nah she's stringing him along. Needs to make it seem like she's giving in when really she's just working to use him as cover for the next child she has. Can't be the verified brother **** queen, so she's gonna pretend he impregnated her. She just needs him to win first because otherwise it'll seem weird when she marries him.

I’d say both. She kills 2 birds with 1 stone... he had a point tho... I’m doing allll of this for you and you’ve literally done nothing for me. Keeps him happy and legitimizes the kid.

[Jadoogar]

"If you want a queen, earn her."

changes mind in 5 seconds

I think his rebuttal made her think “wait, if I don’t just give it to him, he could turn on me, then I’m phucked”

She could also possibly looking to explain her pregnancy. She could say it's Euron's kid.

[DOT]

Feels a lot like season 7 so far

Lot more fan service, writing's looser, and characters feel a little off sometimes

Still a quality show, just not as good as it used to be imo

[NoLayupRule]

Feels a lot like season 7 so far

Lot more fan service, writing's looser, and characters feel a little off sometimes

Still a quality show, just not as good as it used to be imo

I think this episode was a nesecary evil

they had to get everyone together, do the whole meeting for the first time between characters we've seen ourselves a plenty

hard to remember Bran and John hadn't been together since early
Arya and John too

lots of people to bring together and get out of the way

I expect next episode gets crunk

[god shammgod]

Feels a lot like season 7 so far

Lot more fan service, writing's looser, and characters feel a little off sometimes

Still a quality show, just not as good as it used to be imo

yeah, it's not the same show since they've had to write it themselves without the books to rely on. the pacing is different. it's movie like pacing now where there's less time for development and they just move quickly from one event to another. they throw in little one liners here and there more often now. these guys are supposed to do the next star wars franchise, which seems like a good choice because it kinda feels like star wars now.

[magnumt]

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—Mags

[j4remi]

The battle of Winterfell is all lined up. Seems like we'll get plenty of bodies next week, it's gonna be a painful one. They really went and reminded us of a LOT of the connections between characters, and I think some of it tipped off survivors in a few cases. My guesses for the body count?

Spoiler:

Surviving guesses:
- Bran and Sam: They have to live long enough to confirm that Snow is Targaryen.

- Sansa: They've lined up Sansa to rule the North and the convo with Dany really laid out why Sansa is a key survivor for the endgame.

- The Hound: He's gotta live until he catches the fade with the Mountain.

- Brienne: She and Jamie have to speak their feelings, I don't think the Knighting scene was the closer there.

On the fence:
- Missandei and Grey Work: One dies and one lives imo. I'm leaning toward Missandei being the one to die ("my people are peaceful" being a hint that she'd sacrifice herself rather than fight).

- Jamie: I had this big theory about Jamie dying to protect Bran as a resolution for his story, but that's looking like Theon's role. Jamie feels like he has more to resolve but he covered a lot of ground last night.
- Tyrion: That ominous "one of you will be the hand when this is over" flipped him from a sure thing survivor to a potential casualty.
-- Bronn: Just to throw it in, didn't get the crossbow for both Lannister bros to die before he arrives...I could see him saving one of them though as a last second surprise arrival.

- Arya and Gendry: I'd been counting on these two to wind up together, but then horror movie rules kicked in. They resolved their relationship somewhat here and that awkward moment makes them more easily expendable. I really hope they live though and Gendry carrying on the Baratheon name seems necessary.

- - Dany: If you really wanted a gut punch, it would be Dany dying along with her dragons. That'd also give Cersei the go ahead to attack the North. There's enough there for this to work (she just lost her claim to the throne and the North won't accept her rule) plus it'd line up Jon to receive Light Bringer out of her death. It's unlikely though because everyone has seen the clues that Dany will have a child (I'm guessing she won't die until child birth).

- Gilly: The amount of "crypts are the safest place" comments is a dead giveaway. Plus hiding from the dead that attacking among the dead in the tombs seems like a gimme.

Dead by episode 4:
- Beric: Book spoiler, he's been dead since the Red Wedding basically in the books. I think he'll potentially do something similar to what he did in the books before he died with the Hound as a witness.

- Ed: Felt like that last image of the trio Ed, Snow and Sam was just that. One last look at the guys and how far they came. I suspect his comment about burning the dead was a foreshadow.

- Lyanna Mormont: The least necessary cameo in the episode reminded us that she leads the Mormant clan and refuses to stay off of the battlefield. Usually when a leader ignores sound advice they get Ned Stark'ed and Jorah living would leave House Mormont with a capable replacement. Ned Umber dying let us know that this is no mercy and Ned/Lyanna link would be tragic yet again.

- Tormund: They gave him too much shine this week and also showed how he doesn't really fit with anybody. He's a third wheel with Brienne but also with the Night's Watch and he tends to just be comedy relief...that said...he's awesome and I'd like to see him leading the Wildling's (and maybe the new version of Night's Watch).

- Theon: Yara is still around to rule the Iron Islands; Theon has reached full forgiveness, stood up for himself and now will defend Winterfell which he almost ruined...everything he needs to accomplish has been resolved with the exception of saving Bran. Plus, I think someone has to die in front of the weirwood at Winterfell.

- Yohn Royce and Varys: The two advisors that don't even have roles giving advice any more.

Cool theory I heard:
Not my own but I heard it pointed out that the Night King was no where to be seen. There was no sign of the dragon either. Then Bran basically laid out a strategy of laying a trap for the Night King, but when do plans get laid out and go exactly as expected in fiction? Not often. So what if the real gut punch of this episode is the foreshadowed destruction of King's Landing? While the walker army attacks the North; the Ice Dragon and the Night King attack Kick's Landing (a dragon attack has been foreshadowed a LOT). I think it's a cool idea even if I don't know I subscribe to it. Gotta think about it more...

[Tron Carter]

The battle of Winterfell is all lined up. Seems like we'll get plenty of bodies next week, it's gonna be a painful one. They really went and reminded us of a LOT of the connections between characters, and I think some of it tipped off survivors in a few cases. My guesses for the body count?

Spoiler:

Surviving guesses:
- Bran and Sam: They have to live long enough to confirm that Snow is Targaryen.

- Sansa: They've lined up Sansa to rule the North and the convo with Dany really laid out why Sansa is a key survivor for the endgame.

- The Hound: He's gotta live until he catches the fade with the Mountain.

- Brienne: She and Jamie have to speak their feelings, I don't think the Knighting scene was the closer there.

On the fence:
- Missandei and Grey Work: One dies and one lives imo. I'm leaning toward Missandei being the one to die ("my people are peaceful" being a hint that she'd sacrifice herself rather than fight).

- Jamie: I had this big theory about Jamie dying to protect Bran as a resolution for his story, but that's looking like Theon's role. Jamie feels like he has more to resolve but he covered a lot of ground last night.
- Tyrion: That ominous "one of you will be the hand when this is over" flipped him from a sure thing survivor to a potential casualty.
-- Bronn: Just to throw it in, didn't get the crossbow for both Lannister bros to die before he arrives...I could see him saving one of them though as a last second surprise arrival.

- Arya and Gendry: I'd been counting on these two to wind up together, but then horror movie rules kicked in. They resolved their relationship somewhat here and that awkward moment makes them more easily expendable. I really hope they live though and Gendry carrying on the Baratheon name seems necessary.

- - Dany: If you really wanted a gut punch, it would be Dany dying along with her dragons. That'd also give Cersei the go ahead to attack the North. There's enough there for this to work (she just lost her claim to the throne and the North won't accept her rule) plus it'd line up Jon to receive Light Bringer out of her death. It's unlikely though because everyone has seen the clues that Dany will have a child (I'm guessing she won't die until child birth).

- Gilly: The amount of "crypts are the safest place" comments is a dead giveaway. Plus hiding from the dead that attacking among the dead in the tombs seems like a gimme.

Dead by episode 4:
- Beric: Book spoiler, he's been dead since the Red Wedding basically in the books. I think he'll potentially do something similar to what he did in the books before he died with the Hound as a witness.

- Ed: Felt like that last image of the trio Ed, Snow and Sam was just that. One last look at the guys and how far they came. I suspect his comment about burning the dead was a foreshadow.

- Lyanna Mormont: The least necessary cameo in the episode reminded us that she leads the Mormant clan and refuses to stay off of the battlefield. Usually when a leader ignores sound advice they get Ned Stark'ed and Jorah living would leave House Mormont with a capable replacement. Ned Umber dying let us know that this is no mercy and Ned/Lyanna link would be tragic yet again.

- Tormund: They gave him too much shine this week and also showed how he doesn't really fit with anybody. He's a third wheel with Brienne but also with the Night's Watch and he tends to just be comedy relief...that said...he's awesome and I'd like to see him leading the Wildling's (and maybe the new version of Night's Watch).

- Theon: Yara is still around to rule the Iron Islands; Theon has reached full forgiveness, stood up for himself and now will defend Winterfell which he almost ruined...everything he needs to accomplish has been resolved with the exception of saving Bran. Plus, I think someone has to die in front of the weirwood at Winterfell.

- Yohn Royce and Varys: The two advisors that don't even have roles giving advice any more.

Cool theory I heard:
Not my own but I heard it pointed out that the Night King was no where to be seen. There was no sign of the dragon either. Then Bran basically laid out a strategy of laying a trap for the Night King, but when do plans get laid out and go exactly as expected in fiction? Not often. So what if the real gut punch of this episode is the foreshadowed destruction of King's Landing? While the walker army attacks the North; the Ice Dragon and the Night King attack Kick's Landing (a dragon attack has been foreshadowed a LOT). I think it's a cool idea even if I don't know I subscribe to it. Gotta think about it more...

Spoiler:

these are awesome I agree with most of them. I think Tyrion still has to resolve things with cersi and face her one last time so I’m still leaning toward him surviving. think that line was just used to make Jorah feel compelled to stick up for him to Dany.

[DaGawd]

The battle of Winterfell is all lined up. Seems like we'll get plenty of bodies next week, it's gonna be a painful one. They really went and reminded us of a LOT of the connections between characters, and I think some of it tipped off survivors in a few cases. My guesses for the body count?

Spoiler:

Surviving guesses:
- Bran and Sam: They have to live long enough to confirm that Snow is Targaryen.

- Sansa: They've lined up Sansa to rule the North and the convo with Dany really laid out why Sansa is a key survivor for the endgame.

- The Hound: He's gotta live until he catches the fade with the Mountain.

- Brienne: She and Jamie have to speak their feelings, I don't think the Knighting scene was the closer there.

On the fence:
- Missandei and Grey Work: One dies and one lives imo. I'm leaning toward Missandei being the one to die ("my people are peaceful" being a hint that she'd sacrifice herself rather than fight).

- Jamie: I had this big theory about Jamie dying to protect Bran as a resolution for his story, but that's looking like Theon's role. Jamie feels like he has more to resolve but he covered a lot of ground last night.
- Tyrion: That ominous "one of you will be the hand when this is over" flipped him from a sure thing survivor to a potential casualty.
-- Bronn: Just to throw it in, didn't get the crossbow for both Lannister bros to die before he arrives...I could see him saving one of them though as a last second surprise arrival.

- Arya and Gendry: I'd been counting on these two to wind up together, but then horror movie rules kicked in. They resolved their relationship somewhat here and that awkward moment makes them more easily expendable. I really hope they live though and Gendry carrying on the Baratheon name seems necessary.

- - Dany: If you really wanted a gut punch, it would be Dany dying along with her dragons. That'd also give Cersei the go ahead to attack the North. There's enough there for this to work (she just lost her claim to the throne and the North won't accept her rule) plus it'd line up Jon to receive Light Bringer out of her death. It's unlikely though because everyone has seen the clues that Dany will have a child (I'm guessing she won't die until child birth).

- Gilly: The amount of "crypts are the safest place" comments is a dead giveaway. Plus hiding from the dead that attacking among the dead in the tombs seems like a gimme.

Dead by episode 4:
- Beric: Book spoiler, he's been dead since the Red Wedding basically in the books. I think he'll potentially do something similar to what he did in the books before he died with the Hound as a witness.

- Ed: Felt like that last image of the trio Ed, Snow and Sam was just that. One last look at the guys and how far they came. I suspect his comment about burning the dead was a foreshadow.

- Lyanna Mormont: The least necessary cameo in the episode reminded us that she leads the Mormant clan and refuses to stay off of the battlefield. Usually when a leader ignores sound advice they get Ned Stark'ed and Jorah living would leave House Mormont with a capable replacement. Ned Umber dying let us know that this is no mercy and Ned/Lyanna link would be tragic yet again.

- Tormund: They gave him too much shine this week and also showed how he doesn't really fit with anybody. He's a third wheel with Brienne but also with the Night's Watch and he tends to just be comedy relief...that said...he's awesome and I'd like to see him leading the Wildling's (and maybe the new version of Night's Watch).

- Theon: Yara is still around to rule the Iron Islands; Theon has reached full forgiveness, stood up for himself and now will defend Winterfell which he almost ruined...everything he needs to accomplish has been resolved with the exception of saving Bran. Plus, I think someone has to die in front of the weirwood at Winterfell.

- Yohn Royce and Varys: The two advisors that don't even have roles giving advice any more.

Cool theory I heard:
Not my own but I heard it pointed out that the Night King was no where to be seen. There was no sign of the dragon either. Then Bran basically laid out a strategy of laying a trap for the Night King, but when do plans get laid out and go exactly as expected in fiction? Not often. So what if the real gut punch of this episode is the foreshadowed destruction of King's Landing? While the walker army attacks the North; the Ice Dragon and the Night King attack Kick's Landing (a dragon attack has been foreshadowed a LOT). I think it's a cool idea even if I don't know I subscribe to it. Gotta think about it more...

Well thought out. Reasoning makes a lot of sense on all of them

[Deeeez Knicks]

Hoping Tormund and Ghost make it.

[SmoothLefty21]

I had no problem with what this episode was, it was just poorly done and the writing continues to be noticeably inferior to what we had the first six seasons.

Glad we've got the first two episodes out of the way and we're on to the meat and potatoes.

[Blockwatcher]

Damn I forgot to post this last week and this week kinda confirmed my thoughts but this is what I typed in my group WhatsApp chat

O so I just realized I know how game of thrones is gunna end. The series is titled “fire and ice” and everybody thinks denaras is fire and Jon is ice. But they are wrong! Just because they are from warm and cold climates? Nope that’s to simple. I present you THIS. The ice is actually representative of Arya Starks heart which over the course of the series has grown icy cool and the fire is represented by Gendry and the burning flames of his forges. He is the bastard of a king and she is the youngest princess who never even wanted to be a queen. But I tell you this, that wacky pair of kids who were never even considered as the future rulers of the 7 kingdoms will indeed be the soul survivors and take their rightful place as king and queen!

I loved this weeks episode.
P.S. Yo Flo hoes it feel knowing Pod sings your music better than you?

[j4remi]

Damn I forgot to post this last week and this week kinda confirmed my thoughts but this is what I typed in my group WhatsApp chat

O so I just realized I know how game of thrones is gunna end. The series is titled “fire and ice” and everybody thinks denaras is fire and Jon is ice. But they are wrong! Just because they are from warm and cold climates? Nope that’s to simple. I present you THIS. The ice is actually representative of Arya Starks heart which over the course of the series has grown icy cool and the fire is represented by Gendry and the burning flames of his forges. He is the bastard of a king and she is the youngest princess who never even wanted to be a queen. But I tell you this, that wacky pair of kids who were never even considered as the future rulers of the 7 kingdoms will indeed be the soul survivors and take their rightful place as king and queen!

I loved this weeks episode.
P.S. Yo Flo hoes it feel knowing Pod sings your music better than you?

Really interesting idea. GoT heads can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the original outline for GoT was with Arya and Jon Snow winding up together. That means Arya seems like she had the "Ice" role at least at one point. I think the showrunners have been a lot less clever about hiding twists though, so I tend to lean toward Jon Snow being the key. But this one could make sense and it'd be epic to see Arya up top. I'd settle for she and Gendry owning Dragonstone though

[King of Canada]

I had no problem with what this episode was, it was just poorly done and the writing continues to be noticeably inferior to what we had the first six seasons.

Glad we've got the first two episodes out of the way and we're on to the meat and potatoes.

Any time they veer from the actual books things go south a little. Same for Walking Dead.

[DOT]

I had no problem with what this episode was, it was just poorly done and the writing continues to be noticeably inferior to what we had the first six seasons.

Glad we've got the first two episodes out of the way and we're on to the meat and potatoes.

Any time they veer from the actual books things go south a little. Same for Walking Dead.

I blame GRRM.

Last book came out 3 months after GoT started

That's just ridiculous imo like, no reason he couldn't have finished one main book in that time

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[Stannis]

I had no problem with what this episode was, it was just poorly done and the writing continues to be noticeably inferior to what we had the first six seasons.

Glad we've got the first two episodes out of the way and we're on to the meat and potatoes.

Any time they veer from the actual books things go south a little. Same for Walking Dead.

I blame GRRM.

Last book came out 3 months after GoT started

That's just ridiculous imo like, no reason he couldn't have finished one main book in that time

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For real. Don't know why it would take him 9 years and counting.

He does way too much world-building in his books. That's something you can do afterwards when you finish the actual story.

IMO, he had enough houses and characters in books 1-3 to finish up the story. But he just kept on expanding and I guess wants to make it more epic. But at this point, I'm not even sure what the main story is anymore.

[DOT]

Any time they veer from the actual books things go south a little. Same for Walking Dead.

I blame GRRM.

Last book came out 3 months after GoT started

That's just ridiculous imo like, no reason he couldn't have finished one main book in that time

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For real. Don't know why it would take him 9 years and counting.

He does way too much world-building in his books. That's something you can do afterwards when you finish the actual story.

IMO, he had enough houses and characters in books 1-3 to finish up the story. But he just kept on expanding and I guess wants to make it more epic. But at this point, I'm not even sure what the main story is anymore.

His type of writing has positives and negatives

Because he doesn't plan everything out at the start, sometimes characters and plotlines feel more naturally developed because he's not trying to force it in, like look at some early drafts of Jamie's story, he's a completely different character than we got, and I would rather have this one

But he just adds so much stuff that probably is cool, but just seems unnecessary to the plot. I couldn't finish ADWD cause it was way too bloated and convoluted

You see it with the show, they just cut bait with extraneous plotlines, which is good from a narrative perspective cause it streamlines it, but the world building really suffers

It's the same problem Patrick Rothfuss is having writing Doors of Stone. Sometimes writers just write themselves into holes and struggle to get out of them

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[G_K_F]

I had no problem with what this episode was, it was just poorly done and the writing continues to be noticeably inferior to what we had the first six seasons.

Glad we've got the first two episodes out of the way and we're on to the meat and potatoes.

Wasn't poorly done at all. I thought it was the best episode in quite a few seasons, actually. And I am a pretty big critic of the writing the last few years.

This episode was well done for what it is. The pace has changed and there is no source material anymore. It's doing a better job this season of adding some poignancy to certain characters meeting and interacting. It's making you care more again.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I feel like people are either immense book nerds (I loved the books too but c'mon) who can't get over certain things and/or people who just never accepted that the show took a dip in quality after season 4 and became more Hollywood after it grew in popularity. For what the show is now - which is a bit different than what it was - I thought the last episode was great and definitely did harken back to the glory days of Thrones.

I am sure the battles will be amazing considering the director and I can't wait for the episode this Sunday. Hope it lives up to the hype.

[dakomish23]

I knew Arya & Gedry (did I spell either right) would end up back together. My guess before the season started was that he will become king, she will become king & Podrick or Brienne becomes the hand of the king.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yeah, I thought it was a good episode. There were a lot of great interactions that fell in line with the story and didn’t feel too rushed. A lot of little things that tie together. I liked that each character had a farewell moment just in case. They know what is about to happen and preparing for a lot of deaths, like we are.

A lot still to happen of course.