Around the League Discussion - 2018-2019 (Playoffs)

[Negrodamus]

Holy **** Dame

God, I wish we had a ball handler with endless range.

[Kobblehead]

That wish can come true this summer. Give Kemba Walker the contract currently intended for Jimmy Butler.

[Sixerscan]

Just a great example of how relatively unimportant coaching is compared to talent. You can spend 9 months developing the perfect defensive scheme, but if a guy is just go to spread the floor out, isolate your best defender and drill a shot in his face there’s not a lot you can do.

[Kobblehead]

Or an example of how unimportant defense is compared to scoring.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah, it is all about offense nowadays, all catered for the casuals. The masterplan is working.

[Kobblehead]

I'm old enough to remember the joylessness of the playoffs during the 2000s. A bunch of defenders hacking and fouling a bunch of inefficient slashers. The team that won usually had a player that scored 30 points on 25 shots. I hope all the hardcore fans got their fix from Russell Westbrook in those 5 games before he got eliminated.

[Bum Adebayo]

Westbrick is trash, casual or not, dude is flat out bad, not even a top 30 player. 3pt spamming is bad, but Westbrick doesn't bring back anything.

[Kobblehead]

Westbrick is trash, casual or not, dude is flat out bad, not even a top 30 player. 3pt spamming is bad, but Westbrick doesn't bring back anything.

I mean, that's the type of player that gets elevated in a league that allows physical defense and puts less emphasis on shooting threes.

Which is why I've been saying, you need to be careful what you wish for. This modern direction has GREATLY improved the entertainment and enjoyment of the product.

The path you're lobbying for leads to the league being run by the chucking, athletic freak players like Westbrook. And that's fun for nobody.

[Bum Adebayo]

Westbrick is trash, casual or not, dude is flat out bad, not even a top 30 player. 3pt spamming is bad, but Westbrick doesn't bring back anything.

I mean, that's the type of player that gets elevated in a league that allows physical defense and puts less emphasis on shooting threes.

Which is why I've been saying, you need to be careful what you wish for. This modern direction has GREATLY improved the entertainment and enjoyment of the product.

The path you're lobbying for leads to the league being run by the chucking, athletic freak players like Westbrook. And that's fun for nobody.

Wrong, chucking when you are good at shooting is entertaining and good. But Westbrick is on another level, 46% TS FOH lmao
Besides, Westbrick takes a lot of 3pt shots too, he is bad at every shot, he is that bad, in no era is 46% TS acceptable.

[Kobblehead]

chucking when you are good at shooting is entertaining

Shout out to Devin Booker. I knew you'd come around.

[Bum Adebayo]

chucking when you are good at shooting is entertaining

Shout out to Devin Booker. I knew you'd come around.

You also have to play defense, which Evin Booker has no idea about what does that mean lmfao

[Kobblehead]

You also have to play defense, which Evin Booker has no idea about what does that mean lmfao

Who cares, not every player has to play defense. Have a coach that knows what he's doing devise up a decent scheme and have a couple dudes on cheap contracts that specialize in defending. That's how teams have always done it throughout history.

As Sixerscan just exhibited

but if a guy is just go to spread the floor out, isolate your best defender and drill a shot in his face there’s not a lot you can do.

Great offensive execution is virtually defenseless anyway. Devin Booker embarasses Brad Stevens's elite defensive scheme with all his defensive players every time he plays them.

[Bum Adebayo]

You also have to play defense, which Evin Booker has no idea about what does that mean lmfao

Who cares, not every player has to play defense. Have a coach that knows what he's doing devise up a decent scheme and have a couple dudes on cheap contracts that specialize in defending. That's how teams have always done it throughout history.

He doesn't even try, there is a difference between not being able to be a good defender and not even trying. There is a reason he is a career loser, and it is not all on the Suns.

[Kobblehead]

He doesn't even try, there is a difference between not being able to be a good defender and not even trying. There is a reason he is a career loser, and it is not all on the Suns.

That reason is because he's 22 and his career has barely even begun.

If trying and being good at defense determines whether or not you become a winner, how come the 30+ year old trio of Chris Paul, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley don't have that many combined playoff series wins? Why don't you judge the old players who haven't won instead of guys at the end of their rookie contracts?

[Bum Adebayo]

Both offense and defense matters, not just offense or just defense.

[Sixerscan]

You also have to play defense, which Evin Booker has no idea about what does that mean lmfao

Who cares, not every player has to play defense. Have a coach that knows what he's doing devise up a decent scheme and have a couple dudes on cheap contracts that specialize in defending. That's how teams have always done it throughout history.

As Sixerscan just exhibited

but if a guy is just go to spread the floor out, isolate your best defender and drill a shot in his face there’s not a lot you can do.

Great offensive execution is virtually defenseless anyway. Devin Booker embarasses Brad Stevens's elite defensive scheme with all his defensive players every time he plays them.

I’ll amend this slightly to point out that you can only get to the point where the isolation stuff can win it for you is if you play sound defense and system offense throughout the game. That stuff is necessary it’s just not sufficient.

[Kobblehead]

Both offense and defense matters, not just offense or just defense.

They both "matter" but they are not in any way proportionate. There's a heavy lean on the importance of the offensive side of the ball. There always has been.

[Bum Adebayo]

Both offense and defense matters, not just offense or just defense.

They both "matter" but they are not in any way proportionate. There's a heavy lean on the importance of the offensive side of the ball. There always has been.

Agree, which is why it needs to be corrected with further rule changes. We need to incentivate players to play defense.

[Kobblehead]

Players give defensive effort in games that matter.

You're not going to convince players that the regular season matters. So rule changes aren't going to solve your problem with the defensive effort in the NBA. They're just going to make the product worse.

[XtremeDunkz]

Players give defensive effort in games that matter.

You're not going to convince players that the regular season matters. So rule changes aren't going to solve your problem with the defensive effort in the NBA. They're just going to make the product worse.

eh not true. You arent gonna get KD to play defense but you will get defensive minded role players a chance to cement themselves in the league if they are allowed more freedom.