MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:It says people believe he needs to be in a Magic uniform for a decade before we can truly compete in free agency.
Look, I get retaining the asset, but what does his trade value even look like with most likely the largest contract he will get in his career. All while not being a first or second option on a true contender? He’s only more valuable to Orlando because of what
we lack, not because he’s actually providing that in other systems.
Production and value isn’t 1:1 for every team. This isn’t NBA2k.
Again ( and again, and again, and again.....) Magic will have
same amount of money to spend on free agents with or without Vučević.Their need to upgrade roster goes beyond Vučević and Ross.
What's plan with Vučević and Ross locked on longer deals?
Simple. Use trades, Evan, Mozgov and one of your younger assets to explore trade options for allstar level players that will become aveliable in trades like every year. If team like Pelicans decide to blow out roster, you can explore for Holiday.
How long will OKC pay $100M (next year $150M ) of luxury tax to keep George AND Westbrook? Dennis Schroder comes as logical peace to trade off to save money.
Will Bradley Beal be aveliable in trades soon ? I assume yes.
How long will Blazers ( who's owner died ) are willing to pay luxury tax for roster that has no cap space for any upgrades, yet is every year highest payed roster in basketball.
What will Cavs do with K Love , JR , TT as they still are in luxury cap. (repeated).
What will Raptors do with rest of their talents if Leonard leaves ?
Will Celtics need cap relieaf like Mozgov to give them enough cap space to operate after Anthony Davis trade ?
There are A LOT of teams that can benefit from taking 1 massive contract for 1 year to streach it out or to have salary relief next summer. Right now , 4 teams are in luxury cap territory.
It’s not about the money per se. Free agency isn’t an option unless it’s an overpay for a middling team. Your examples are huge assumptions based on what teams could possibly do. That’s not a reason to resign players to big contracts despite being a handful of games out of the playoffs entirely.
You sign a 28 year old Center to a big contract, for a number of years, and the asset becomes difficult to move later for equal to moderate return. Who in the nba is looking for a Center with his skill set? Not many teams. For example, Kevin Love is one of the worst contracts in basketball at age 30 and a difficult contract to move.
Orlando isn’t going to lowball Vuc just because they can and he won’t take a discount on his prime year contract. They will pay him relative to what they think he’s worth.
But again, it’s not about the money. It’s about the
time Orlando would be investing in mediocrity. They could actually solve bigger roster issues, but they’d rather be a semi competitive fringe playoff team with the same issues Orlando has had for years.
It’s not about the money per se.
So where is the problem ?
Your examples are huge assumptions based on what teams could possibly do. That’s not a reason to resign players to big contracts despite being a handful of games out of the playoffs entirely.
Almost every team holds on their assets and good players because they don't grow on trees.
You sign a 28 year old Center to a big contract, for a number of years, and the asset becomes difficult to move later for equal to moderate return. Who in the nba is looking for a Center with his skill set?
Embiid and Jokić are headed to conference finals right now, completely debunking your points against buliding around center.
Almost every single nba contract is tradable.
For example, Kevin Love is one of the worst contracts in basketball at age 30 and a difficult contract to move.
Kevin Love has health issues that date back to his second nba season. Healthy Love was part of championship roster. Nobody questions his talent, but health plays big part of him being hard to move. Much like Parsons,Batum and Wall.
Nikola Vučević alraedy has trackrecord that proves he is healthy player year in and year out.
Orlando isn’t going to lowball Vuc just because they can and he won’t take a discount on his prime year contract. They will pay him relative to what they think he’s worth.
They will pay him what is his market value. Just like all bad contracts were payed. Context and common sense in that moment around league plays factor in every free agency decision.
Orlando would be investing in mediocrity. They could actually solve bigger roster issues, but they’d rather be a semi competitive fringe playoff team with the same issues Orlando has had for year
Magic young players are as mediocre as it gets. Every person with sense of logic would dump Gordon,isaac, Bamba and Fultz to get Tatum or Dončić.
Rookie Bamba was unplayable.
Fultz probably will never come close to to his 1# draft pick expetations and there is still even question mark will he even ever play again.
Isaac is replacment level talent in this moment.
Gordon is 6th year player next year without star potential.
So what and who execlly Magic put in jeopardy if they sign Vučević and build roster around him? Nothing and nobody. Because without him Magic are back into deep lottery and another painful rebuild while searching for player that will one day MAYBE put 20-11 and be allstar.
Why don't Raptors rebuild ? I mean, why they want to pay Leonard ? He is old, according to you and Skin, he is same age as Vučević, they already have elite player in Siakam, so what's up with all that Lowry, Ibaka, M. Gasol thing ? why not play youth ?
Why don't Blazers rebuild? They won't pass second round and their star Lillard is same age as Vučević
Why don't OKc rebuild? Their main star is older than Vučević and they are going nowhere?
Why don't Lakers rebuild? Their main star is 5 years older than Vučević
Why don't Spurs rebuild? Their main stars are same age as Vuc and second is older
Why don't Net's rebuild? Their main star is C level star in reality.
Why don't Pistons rebuild? Their main star is 30?
Why don't Hornets rebuild? Their main star is 30
Why don't Heat rebuild? Their main star is 32.
Rockets pay $38M to 34 years old Paul. Will lose in second round.
See, this shallow, flawed "we don't contend, we should blow it up" logic would in your opinion force every single NBA team not named Golden State , Celtics and Bucks to rebuild. Yet non of them even thinks about rebuild.
I'm sure that you would probably blew up Warriors in 2016 because " Curry got old, 28, time for rebuild".
Reality: teams don't rebuild because it's long, painful ,and in most cases results are underwhelming.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon