The Gasol trade was our downfall

[hsb]

JV is an awful help defender. Please share what you're smoking.

Ok i'll correct he's the far better rim protector, and he's as good as Marc as a help defender, did you watch tonight's game, Marc was either too slow or did not even bother because he looked gassed out there

Oh I see. So we're making sweeping statements based on 2 games now. In that case, Biyombo should have won DPOY for the 2 games he bullied the Cavs.

Also JV is a better rim protector but not by much. He's a better shotblocker than Marc for sure. But that's not all what rim protecting is. Otherwise Javale is a premier rim protector.

JV is a better rim protector by a lot actually. I wonder how you ever came to that conclusion.

Defensive impact stat which is closest defender at shots at the rim; Gasol let in 10% higher FG% at the rim comparing Raptors stats to JV and gave up 8% higher FG% at the rim comparing Grizzlies stats to JV.

Players shot -15.5% within 6 feet of the rim against JV than their average FG%, while -3% against Gasol when comparing Raptors stats and -9.4%/-3.4% comparing their respective time in Memphis.

The closer to the rim the more reliable the numbers and it isn't particularly close. JV is also the better interior rebounder to finish the possession. So, yeah...

[Patman]

The magic do not have dynamic elite scoring wings or pg. The game that matter are the ones we should be paying attention to i.e. against philly, boston, Milwaukee, teams that we need to get through given this team has finals/championship aspirations

Gasol completely shut down Embiid in games 1 and 2.

First of all embid has been getting injections for his knee and had the stomach fly for game 2. He should shut down a player in that state, JV shut down a "healthy" embid last time they played and he scored on him, killed him on both ends of the floor. Cna you even imagine Gasol making 1/4 of those moves? I think not.

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Embid had this to say afterwards, people forget that JV could handle embid and think we somehow would have been screwed had we not gotten gasol, majority of the board lives day to day and have amnesia. This team was definitely beating the sixers with JV and and improved pascal since Dec 5th and delon. Embid was held to 5/17 shooting and had the worst plus minus at MINUS 23 and JV shot 9-13, scored 26 pts in 18 mins and led the team in plus minus. This was also after the butler trade: http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071040&wsVar=us~nba~gamepackage,desktop,en

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Do you ever get tired of self plagiarism or are you just really having a hard time coming up with new material? How many times are you going to post the same exact diatribe?

[Useyourhead]

Gasol completely shut down Embiid in games 1 and 2.

First of all embid has been getting injections for his knee and had the stomach fly for game 2. He should shut down a player in that state, JV shut down a "healthy" embid last time they played and he scored on him, killed him on both ends of the floor. Cna you even imagine Gasol making 1/4 of those moves? I think not.

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Embid had this to say afterwards, people forget that JV could handle embid and think we somehow would have been screwed had we not gotten gasol, majority of the board lives day to day and have amnesia. This team was definitely beating the sixers with JV and and improved pascal since Dec 5th and delon. Embid was held to 5/17 shooting and had the worst plus minus at MINUS 23 and JV shot 9-13, scored 26 pts in 18 mins and led the team in plus minus. This was also after the butler trade: http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071040&wsVar=us~nba~gamepackage,desktop,en

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Do you ever get tired of self plagiarism or are you just really having a hard time coming up with new material? How many times are you going to post the same exact diatribe?

When people stop claiming as if JV was incapable of shutting down embid, he shut down a healthy embid so why should i be impressed with Marc shutting down an injured and sick Embid?

[76ciology]

Biid actually has a hard time getting position against JV. Biid just have a hard time against big white centers.
JV’s scoring IMO could have been big. We can’t put Tobias against JV. JV would eat Tobias and drop atleast 30 on him.

[Steelo Green]

When Vuch and Embiid minus today were getting shutdown by Marc, great deal, and then he has one bad game, it was a terrible deal lol.

We're down 2-1, as many teams in the history of the league have when they have won series.

I think until it's over, everyone needs to reserve judgment.

[neurotik]

The Gasol trade was fine.

Hiring Nick Nurse as a head coach of a wannabe contender was our downfall.

I'll mention this again. Nurse was brought in to man the upcoming rebuild and drive the tank. The Kawhi trade wasn't even a possibility when he was hired

[neurotik]

The trade was fine. Gasol is better than JV. Some people seem to be forgetting how he erased Vuc in round 1, and Embiid in games 1 and 2. Aside from tonight his play has been great on the defensive end and solid on the offensive end (and he was needed more defensively since both of our opponents so far run their offence through their big men)

[lebron stopper]

Biid actually has a hard time getting position against JV. Biid just have a hard time against big white centers.
JV’s scoring IMO could have been big. We can’t put Tobias against JV. JV would eat Tobias and drop atleast 30 on him.

I've been a huge proponent of the Gasol trade, but man we could really use Valanciunas right now.

Although having Valanciunas instead of Gasol wouldn't fix the Ibaka problem anyways. Nor would having Valanciunas fix the negative depth problem that the Raptors have. Nor would it fix the fact that Nurse prefers to play Ibaka 30 minutes a game against the wrong matchup and glue Valanciunas to the bench whenever he can, just like Doofus Casey.

There's really just nothing the Raptors can do when Leonard's teammates collectively play like a treadmill lottery team that shouldn't be in the playoffs - a problem I noticed in Game 2 when other Raptors fans were eager to overlook it for "oh we missed wide open shots, moral victory baby!", a problem which persists and continues to kill the Raptors chances at winning this series AND retaining a top 3 player. Valanciunas would help, but it wouldn't be enough to offset everything else that's wrong with the Raptors right now.

[neurotik]

This board is overly emotional. Moderation is needed - important to stay centred and not let the highs get you too high or the lows too low. Delon was leaving anyways while Gasol has given us some quality defense and other things that don't always show up on the stat-sheet. Naturally, when he doesn't play well and we lose, then you guys are quick to bury the guy.
Perhaps it's not too surprising considering how most of the TV pundits do the same - flipping and flopping after one game.
KD scores 50 - he's the best player in the NBA.
KD and warriors lose to Beverly and KD is over-rated, lucky to have Steph and Klay.
Just like this series. We win game 1 - Raps in 5. Now, we lose game 3 and watch these same people claim we won't be able to win another game...

Your words fall on dead ears. Today is not a good day to highlight Marc's strengths.

There is no denying JV would have been helpful on the glass, where we are currently getting destroyed. Not to mention passing up shot after shot.

Mustn't miss the forest from the trees

[Geddy]

7 and 6 in 30 ******* minutes. might as well have rasho out there.

or monroe.

Funny how they had Grange at half time explaining why they cut Monroe. You know MLSE told him to talk all that crap about salary cap stuff so that fans wouldn't keep bringing up how we let him go.

[seanbig]

Honestly we would have been smoke by Vucevic in the magic series as JV can’t guard him

If JV was in this series the 76ers would spam pick and roll over and over again

We would get more boards but do you really think nurse would play JV in the fourth?

[Geddy]

I honestly would run Ibaka in the starting lineup next game. Ibaka makes his share of mistakes but give him 30 minutes and I bet you Vin Baker's bank account that he puts up much better numbers than what Gasold has put up these last couple of games.

[Westside Gunn]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can make 10 excellent trades as a GM, but it takes one deal that really kills your resume.

The Marc Gasol deal is one of them. You make this deal 5 years ago, not today.

[neurotik]

Biid actually has a hard time getting position against JV. Biid just have a hard time against big white centers.
JV’s scoring IMO could have been big. We can’t put Tobias against JV. JV would eat Tobias and drop atleast 30 on him.

I've been a huge proponent of the Gasol trade, but man we could really use Valanciunas right now.

Although having Valanciunas instead of Gasol wouldn't fix the Ibaka problem anyways. Nor would having Valanciunas fix the negative depth problem that the Raptors have. Nor would it fix the fact that Nurse prefers to play Ibaka 30 minutes a game against the wrong matchup and glue Valanciunas to the bench whenever he can, just like Doofus Casey.

There's really just nothing the Raptors can do when Leonard's teammates collectively play like a treadmill lottery team that shouldn't be in the playoffs - a problem I noticed in Game 2 when other Raptors fans were eager to overlook it for "oh we missed wide open shots, moral victory baby!", a problem which persists and continues to kill the Raptors chances at winning this series AND retaining a top 3 player. Valanciunas would help, but it wouldn't be enough to offset everything else that's wrong with the Raptors right now.

All Philly would have to do pnr the Raps to death if Embiid did struggle for some reason. Also, our offence is much more fluid with Marc. The problem is Nurse is using an offence that's too stagnant and dependent on iso. Once Philly put embiid on Siakam and started doubling Kawhi, Nurse needed to adjust to an offence with more ball movement and penetration. Thus far he hasn't. I will say this, Marc needs to take open threes when he has them and so do our other players. And they need to make them at a similar clip to what they did in the regular season.

[Death Knight]

At the time I said the trade was an upgrade/improvement going from JV to Gasol, but it wasn't the trade we needed. I was expecting more perimeter help with 3 & D type players. Miles sucked. OG was struggling. FVV, Norm, Wright were all inconsistent, 1 good game for every 5 bad games.

[Boogie!]

At the time I said the trade was an upgrade/improvement going from JV to Gasol, but it wasn't the trade we needed. I was expecting more perimeter help with 3 & D type players. Miles sucked. OG was struggling. FVV, Norm, Wright were all inconsistent, 1 good game for every 5 bad games.

Or like I initially stated again with tons of backlash, that if you're gonns make this trade a followup has to be in order to acquire legitimate shooting to a tually make use of gasols strengths. Like I said at the time, if the plan was to grab lin on the buyout market, they should've heavily shopped og and Fvv in order to get that legitimate 3+d player.

[Chandan]

it sucks that team negative are always proven correct in the end.

i guess gasol still have a couple games to prove us all wrong.

[Dr Positivity]

Gasol playing so well on defense and playing poorly on offense is connected. It takes a lot of effort to play at the level he has defensively this playoffs and I don't know if he has the gas for offense at 34 while doing that.

[Chandan]

Gasol playing so well on defense and playing poorly on offense is connected. It takes a lot of effort to play at the level he has defensively this playoffs and I don't know if he has the gas for offense at 34 while doing that.

the thing is i dont feel like he has the ability to switch between offense and defense. I've seen him move around the basket. Slow, soft, hesitant. He's better off just staying at the three point line and hurling threes.

[zZero]

He cant postup Harris, dude is washed, sure he can still do some things, but that's not gonna cut it.