Vince Carter encore in ATL?

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

We can do that if we continue to take on bad contracts, otherwise Plumlee is a waste of a roster spot. I think Vince is worth keeping around personally

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I've got no interest in taking on bad contracts. I'm more talking about cap-strapped teams that might be willing to trade an asset in the form of a contributing player in exchange for cap flexibility next summer. Hawks should find themselves in the middle of a playoff chase around the trade deadline next season so maybe they use plumlee's contract to sweeten a deal. It's not like it would be an albatros for the receiving team given it would expire 2 months later.

And, btw, I'm not against signing VC. I'd love for him to be back if there's room. I'm just not sure there's going to be room and don't see TS buying out plumlee to make room. Could be wrong though. Should be a fascinating summer.

You're just saying we hold onto Plumlee as salary filler? Genuinely asking, not being a smartass. I'm not sure he has the value to get a good player on a reasonable contract.

The issue here is roster spots, and personally, I'd rather have Vince than Plumlee if it came down to it, future trade options be damned

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Plumlee's value in a trade is cap relief and filler. Both of those. For example, if you wanted to trade for someone with a $13M salary from a team that is over the cap, you can't just trade them a draft pick. You need to give up a similar amount of salary. That is the filler part of his value. The relief part of his value is that his contract is expiring. So, for example, if a team has decided to move on from someone like the Celts decide that they will run Brown and Tatum on the wings and are ready to get something for Gordon Hayward. You are going to have to pony up some serious filler to make the trade happen (assuming we aren't that far under the cap) and Plumlee lets the Celtics get immediate cap relief once the season is over, which has real value.

Because his contract is expiring, Plumlee should be at his maximum value this season. It is why we've been holding him for a couple of years.

[REHawksFan]

We can do that if we continue to take on bad contracts, otherwise Plumlee is a waste of a roster spot. I think Vince is worth keeping around personally

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I've got no interest in taking on bad contracts. I'm more talking about cap-strapped teams that might be willing to trade an asset in the form of a contributing player in exchange for cap flexibility next summer. Hawks should find themselves in the middle of a playoff chase around the trade deadline next season so maybe they use plumlee's contract to sweeten a deal. It's not like it would be an albatros for the receiving team given it would expire 2 months later.

And, btw, I'm not against signing VC. I'd love for him to be back if there's room. I'm just not sure there's going to be room and don't see TS buying out plumlee to make room. Could be wrong though. Should be a fascinating summer.

You're just saying we hold onto Plumlee as salary filler? Genuinely asking, not being a smartass. I'm not sure he has the value to get a good player on a reasonable contract.

The issue here is roster spots, and personally, I'd rather have Vince than Plumlee if it came down to it, future trade options be damned

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AHF explained it above probably better than I will, but my opinion was along the lines of: Hawks want a player next year to put them over the top for the playoffs and negotiate a deal for a $16M young player on a team that decides to rebuild. They could package Prince and Plumlee for equal money and the receiving team gets Prince if they want to keep him and salary relief with Plumlee's contract.

OR

I could also see a scenario where the Hawks want a player on a team entering a rebuild and that deep is desperate for picks and salary cap space. They trade Plumlee and the Cleveland pick (or their own pick) for said player.

It's like AHF said, Plumlee actually has his most value this upcoming year because all the value tied to him is in his contract rather than his on court ability. IMO, it just doesn't make sense to walk away from him now.

[jayu70]

We can do that if we continue to take on bad contracts, otherwise Plumlee is a waste of a roster spot. I think Vince is worth keeping around personally

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I've got no interest in taking on bad contracts. I'm more talking about cap-strapped teams that might be willing to trade an asset in the form of a contributing player in exchange for cap flexibility next summer. Hawks should find themselves in the middle of a playoff chase around the trade deadline next season so maybe they use plumlee's contract to sweeten a deal. It's not like it would be an albatros for the receiving team given it would expire 2 months later.

And, btw, I'm not against signing VC. I'd love for him to be back if there's room. I'm just not sure there's going to be room and don't see TS buying out plumlee to make room. Could be wrong though. Should be a fascinating summer.

You're just saying we hold onto Plumlee as salary filler? Genuinely asking, not being a smartass. I'm not sure he has the value to get a good player on a reasonable contract.

The issue here is roster spots, and personally, I'd rather have Vince than Plumlee if it came down to it, future trade options be damned

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Here's an EXAMPLE ONLY :
Heat is looking to get out of the 2 remaining years of Kelly Olynyk or James Johnson and get some salary relief.
Trade Plumlee for Olynyk or Johnson. Heat can cut and stretch Plumlee's 1 year and reduce their cap hit to $4.3 mil over 3 years. Hawks get a servicable player in either Olynyk or Johnson.

[jayu70]

Vince should not get playing time on next year's team...We should sign real contributors like a Julius Randall etc. Our free agent signings and draft choices should play the vast majority of the bench minutes.

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[fuzzy1]

I've got no interest in taking on bad contracts. I'm more talking about cap-strapped teams that might be willing to trade an asset in the form of a contributing player in exchange for cap flexibility next summer. Hawks should find themselves in the middle of a playoff chase around the trade deadline next season so maybe they use plumlee's contract to sweeten a deal. It's not like it would be an albatros for the receiving team given it would expire 2 months later.

And, btw, I'm not against signing VC. I'd love for him to be back if there's room. I'm just not sure there's going to be room and don't see TS buying out plumlee to make room. Could be wrong though. Should be a fascinating summer.

You're just saying we hold onto Plumlee as salary filler? Genuinely asking, not being a smartass. I'm not sure he has the value to get a good player on a reasonable contract.

The issue here is roster spots, and personally, I'd rather have Vince than Plumlee if it came down to it, future trade options be damned

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Here's an EXAMPLE:
Heat is looking to get out of the 2 remaining years of Kelly Olynyk or James Johnson and get some salary relief.
Trade Plumlee for Olynyk or Johnson. Heat can cut and stretch Plumlee's 1 year and reduce their cap hit to $4.3 mil over 3 years. Hawks get a servicable player in either Olynyk or Johnson.

That's the type of deal I figured we were talking about, and one I'm not really interested in. I'd rather keep the cap. Those guys are ok but don't move the needle for me.

I get how those deals work, all I'm saying is that if I HAD to choose between keeping Vince's presence or Plumlees expiring, I go with Vince. I don't think we're in the position to be trading picks for mediocre vets, and we've got contracts other than Plumlee (Baze + our cap). I think we'll probably keep both honestly.

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[jayu70]

You're just saying we hold onto Plumlee as salary filler? Genuinely asking, not being a smartass. I'm not sure he has the value to get a good player on a reasonable contract.

The issue here is roster spots, and personally, I'd rather have Vince than Plumlee if it came down to it, future trade options be damned

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Here's an EXAMPLE:
Heat is looking to get out of the 2 remaining years of Kelly Olynyk or James Johnson and get some salary relief.
Trade Plumlee for Olynyk or Johnson. Heat can cut and stretch Plumlee's 1 year and reduce their cap hit to $4.3 mil over 3 years. Hawks get a servicable player in either Olynyk or Johnson.

That's the type of deal I figured we were talking about, and one I'm not really interested in. I'd rather keep the cap. Those guys are ok but don't move the needle for me.

I get how those deals work, all I'm saying is that if I HAD to choose between keeping Vince's presence or Plumlees expiring, I go with Vince. I don't think we're in the position to be trading picks for mediocre vets, and we've got contracts other than Plumlee (Baze + our cap). I think we'll probably keep both honestly.

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Agreed. This is my preference.
Nothing worse than mucking up the cap with crap.

[peoriabird]

I've got no interest in taking on bad contracts. I'm more talking about cap-strapped teams that might be willing to trade an asset in the form of a contributing player in exchange for cap flexibility next summer. Hawks should find themselves in the middle of a playoff chase around the trade deadline next season so maybe they use plumlee's contract to sweeten a deal. It's not like it would be an albatros for the receiving team given it would expire 2 months later.

And, btw, I'm not against signing VC. I'd love for him to be back if there's room. I'm just not sure there's going to be room and don't see TS buying out plumlee to make room. Could be wrong though. Should be a fascinating summer.

You're just saying we hold onto Plumlee as salary filler? Genuinely asking, not being a smartass. I'm not sure he has the value to get a good player on a reasonable contract.

The issue here is roster spots, and personally, I'd rather have Vince than Plumlee if it came down to it, future trade options be damned

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Here's an EXAMPLE:
Heat is looking to get out of the 2 remaining years of Kelly Olynyk or James Johnson and get some salary relief.
Trade Plumlee for Olynyk or Johnson. Heat can cut and stretch Plumlee's 1 year and reduce their cap hit to $4.3 mil over 3 years. Hawks get a servicable player in either Olynyk or Johnson.

Why would we want those guys?

[jayu70]

You're just saying we hold onto Plumlee as salary filler? Genuinely asking, not being a smartass. I'm not sure he has the value to get a good player on a reasonable contract.

The issue here is roster spots, and personally, I'd rather have Vince than Plumlee if it came down to it, future trade options be damned

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Here's an EXAMPLE:
Heat is looking to get out of the 2 remaining years of Kelly Olynyk or James Johnson and get some salary relief.
Trade Plumlee for Olynyk or Johnson. Heat can cut and stretch Plumlee's 1 year and reduce their cap hit to $4.3 mil over 3 years. Hawks get a servicable player in either Olynyk or Johnson.

Why would we want those guys?

EXAMPLE....to clarify for Fuzz.....there is a reason I bolded it.

[peoriabird]

Here's an EXAMPLE:
Heat is looking to get out of the 2 remaining years of Kelly Olynyk or James Johnson and get some salary relief.
Trade Plumlee for Olynyk or Johnson. Heat can cut and stretch Plumlee's 1 year and reduce their cap hit to $4.3 mil over 3 years. Hawks get a servicable player in either Olynyk or Johnson.

Why would we want those guys?

EXAMPLE....to clarify for Fuzz.....there is a reason I bolded it.

Just cut the guy and sign a better player...no need to trade for junk at this point

[jayu70]

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That's eggzackly the way I view it: an elder league legend who brings gravitas to a young Hawks squad, while being a mature and leading locker room voice/presence who mentors Trae/Huerter/Collins the right way.

[fuzzy1]

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That's eggzackly the way I view it: an elder league legend who brings gravitas to a young Hawks squad, while being a mature and leading locker room voice/presence who mentors Trae/Huerter/Collins the right way.

Honestly, I don't remember the last time a role player vet like that had such a positive influence for us. Brand? I guess you could say Sap and Horford but they were also our best players. That's part of the reason I want to keep him, outside looking in his leadership had a tangible effect on our team.

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[Jamaaliver]

I hope Vince comes back. But reading between the lines, this statement from Schlenk is not encouraging....

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[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

Why would we want those guys?

EXAMPLE....to clarify for Fuzz.....there is a reason I bolded it.

Just cut the guy and sign a better player...no need to trade for junk at this point

Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris would be other examples of players who were traded and for whom we could make a deal involving a contract like Plumlee's. If you want the next Jimmy Butler type player (a 4x All-Star, 4x All-NBA defense, 2x All-NBA) and he comes available, that trade will look something like Plumlee, Prince and a pick as the core of that trade.

A player like that is likely making $15-30M so you'll need some serious money to move.

[jayu70]

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[macd-gm]

Bring him back!