myersia wrote:Slava wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/12/18616750/frank-vogel-los-angeles-lakers-head-coach
He’s our dude. Great article
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thanks for link, it's informative and not enough explanation for me on how he failed to show any kind of improvement esp on defense.
Perhaps the biggest mistake Vogel made was not waiting after being let go by the Pacers. Vogel jumped straight to Orlando for the 2016-17 season, when their master plan was to acquire two centers (Serge Ibaka and Bismack Biyombo) to their already jam-packed frontcourt. Vogel understood at the time of his hire that the NBA was changing and he’d have to adapt. He held true to the time-honored new coach tradition of saying his team would play fast, as the Magic finished in the top-10 in percentage of fast-break points in both of his two seasons there. Orlando was still predictably bad anyway, as there’s really only so much you can do when you’re drawing up your best stuff for Jonathon Simmons instead of Paul George. You could tell the losing started to wear Vogel down, as he went through a very Obama-in-office aging process. In his last season in Orlando, Vogel had to start 16 different players, and four of those players were out of the league altogether by this season.
Vogel shouldn’t get a free pass for what happened in Orlando. There are legitimate concerns with whether or not he can build a modern offense that is less predicated on sets with multiple screens away from the ball and more focused on creating and maintaining spacing. With Kidd shoehorned in as his top assistant—the Littlefinger to Vogel’s Ned Stark, let’s say—it’s far from a sure thing that Vogel’s staff properly leverages LeBron’s passing ability. If you subscribe to the idea that spacing is offense and offense is spacing—which certainly seems true in Milwaukee in the wake of Kidd’s departure—Vogel is going to need some real shooters in order to make some of his five-out sets shine, especially as LeBron’s patience for anyone else’s ideas seem to grow shorter by the day.
so Ok I get it the roster were not talented enough to win a lot of games, and yes I want to add that the core of Vucevic, Gordon, Fournier etc ,the year he was fired, missed about 24 games each. But this might be partly bec they were tanking at the end of the season.
But still, Vogel could have gathered his players to play hard and execute the great defensive schemes he created that will show in stats like DRTG. Before Frank under
Skiles, they ranked 16th,
first year with him, 22nd. The next year,
18th on defense rating.
After he left, they IMPROVED to 8th BEST UNDER Steve Clifford.
It would been so easy to excuse him if he coached a bunch of 19 yr olds his first year at Orlando, but except of Gordon who was 21, Fournier was 24, Vucevic was 26, Augustin was 29, these guys are still playing there with improved DRTG, plus Ibaka, 27, Biyombo, 27, Payton, 22.