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Re: BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 69- Draft order on page 72 

Post#1461 » by 2010 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:02 pm

I don't think the extension rates need to be raised any higher. Heck no!
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Re: BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 69- Draft order on page 72 

Post#1462 » by bishnykfan » Tue May 14, 2019 11:10 pm

2010 wrote:
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I like the idea, but I agree that it does have challenges until the initial draft players are done with their contracts. It also forces you to make a decision very early in the career of a player. Part of the value of a young player lies in their lower cap hit too, especially until they start producing in the real life and the sim.



Agree...it would only go for players drafted after the initial draft. And I don't think you are forced into doing anything. You can wait until after year three to extend a player and get an extra year tacked onto the end of his contract. Basically it gives you options.


So just to be clear:

A). Players drafted in BaF Year 1 are not eligible for the extension options
B). Theoretically I can wait until the last year of my players rookie deal and then offer the 90 Plan (additional 3 years at 90% increased rate) extension to him at that time. Which allows me to watch his growth and determine if he is indeed worthy of the extension. Likewise if I wanted to go 60 or 30 Plan instead.

Do I have this right?


This is all just an initial idea. I'll go with whatever the majority wants and am open to discussion and other ideas. My idea for extensions is only for players drafted in the college drafts, not the initial draft. Sexton and Knox would be open for extensions. Cousins and Towns wouldn't be eligible for extensions.

In my idea, if you wanted to offer a max extension of three years you would need to do that after the rookie season. If you wait until the last year of the deal, you can only offer a one year extension.

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Re: BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 69- Draft order on page 72 

Post#1463 » by 2010 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:19 pm

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Agree...it would only go for players drafted after the initial draft. And I don't think you are forced into doing anything. You can wait until after year three to extend a player and get an extra year tacked onto the end of his contract. Basically it gives you options.


So just to be clear:

A). Players drafted in BaF Year 1 are not eligible for the extension options
B). Theoretically I can wait until the last year of my players rookie deal and then offer the 90 Plan (additional 3 years at 90% increased rate) extension to him at that time. Which allows me to watch his growth and determine if he is indeed worthy of the extension. Likewise if I wanted to go 60 or 30 Plan instead.

Do I have this right?


This is all just an initial idea. I'll go with whatever the majority wants and am open to discussion and other ideas. My idea for extensions is only for players drafted in the college drafts, not the initial draft. Sexton and Knox would be open for extensions. Cousins and Towns wouldn't be eligible for extensions.

In my idea, if you wanted to offer a max extension of three years you would need to do that after the rookie season. If you wait until the last year of the deal, you can only offer a one year extension.

I'm on my way out the door for AAU practice now...I will try and explain better when I get home tonight.


Ok, understood now. With that said I have no issue with your proposal. I am down for it. What I am not down for is increasing the extension salary rate any further :lol:
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Re: BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 69- Draft order on page 72 

Post#1464 » by bringbackhoffa » Tue May 14, 2019 11:36 pm

2010 wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:
2010 wrote:
So just to be clear:

A). Players drafted in BaF Year 1 are not eligible for the extension options
B). Theoretically I can wait until the last year of my players rookie deal and then offer the 90 Plan (additional 3 years at 90% increased rate) extension to him at that time. Which allows me to watch his growth and determine if he is indeed worthy of the extension. Likewise if I wanted to go 60 or 30 Plan instead.

Do I have this right?


This is all just an initial idea. I'll go with whatever the majority wants and am open to discussion and other ideas. My idea for extensions is only for players drafted in the college drafts, not the initial draft. Sexton and Knox would be open for extensions. Cousins and Towns wouldn't be eligible for extensions.

In my idea, if you wanted to offer a max extension of three years you would need to do that after the rookie season. If you wait until the last year of the deal, you can only offer a one year extension.

I'm on my way out the door for AAU practice now...I will try and explain better when I get home tonight.


Ok, understood now. With that said I have no issue with your proposal. I am down for it. What I am not down for is increasing the extension salary rate any further

I think it should be increased substantially higher u have rookies make close.

For example Andrew Wiggins signed a 5 yr 146.5 million extension which is essentially 30 mil per yr or approx 30 percent of the cap. Extensions in the game should be similar to real life so 30 percent of our cap is $300 so extensions should start at that amount annually

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Re: BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 69- Draft order on page 72 

Post#1465 » by King of Canada » Tue May 14, 2019 11:43 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:
2010 wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:
This is all just an initial idea. I'll go with whatever the majority wants and am open to discussion and other ideas. My idea for extensions is only for players drafted in the college drafts, not the initial draft. Sexton and Knox would be open for extensions. Cousins and Towns wouldn't be eligible for extensions.

In my idea, if you wanted to offer a max extension of three years you would need to do that after the rookie season. If you wait until the last year of the deal, you can only offer a one year extension.

I'm on my way out the door for AAU practice now...I will try and explain better when I get home tonight.


Ok, understood now. With that said I have no issue with your proposal. I am down for it. What I am not down for is increasing the extension salary rate any further

I think it should be increased substantially higher u have rookies make close.

For example Andrew Wiggins signed a 5 yr 146.5 million extension which is essentially 30 mil per yr or approx 30 percent of the cap. Extensions in the game should be similar to real life so 30 percent of our cap is $300 so extensions should start at that amount annually

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But we don’t have a soft cap and bird
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Post#1466 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue May 14, 2019 11:43 pm

Do the extensions only apply to players taken in the 1st or 2nd round of the baf drafts? Say if you sign a player not drafted in the baf draft (rookie or non-rookie,)?
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Re: BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 69- Draft order on page 72 

Post#1467 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 12:10 am

King of Canada wrote:
bringbackhoffa wrote:
2010 wrote:
Ok, understood now. With that said I have no issue with your proposal. I am down for it. What I am not down for is increasing the extension salary rate any further

I think it should be increased substantially higher u have rookies make close.

For example Andrew Wiggins signed a 5 yr 146.5 million extension which is essentially 30 mil per yr or approx 30 percent of the cap. Extensions in the game should be similar to real life so 30 percent of our cap is $300 so extensions should start at that amount annually

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But we don’t have a soft cap and bird
Rights, which contribute to the size of those rookie extensions

Even so they should be somewhat close these extensions would only be 10 to 15 percent of cap as opposed to 30.

A player like ayton would definately elect for free agency as he would secure 300+ per yr

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Post#1468 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 12:32 am

Cleveland is due for the number 1 pick tonight

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Post#1469 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 12:47 am

Imagine the pelicans with Zion and AD

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Post#1470 » by El Poochio » Wed May 15, 2019 12:52 am

UPDATE THE DRAFT ORDER
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Post#1471 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 12:55 am

Imagine Jaylen Brown Tatum and Zion in new Orleans

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Post#1472 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 1:05 am

I think it's pretty much guaranteed Zion is going to be a bust with him going to new Orleans hell he may refuse to show.

If I had the number 1 pick in the draft I wouldn't risk it and would take the safer pick in Ja

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Post#1473 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 1:19 am

Ja and JJJ going to be on the same team in the SIM and in real life!

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bringbackhoffa wrote:Ja and JJJ going to be on the same team in the SIM and in real life!

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Fcuk now I have to trade up to #1 to get JAM

You dont want that Future Pelican/Knick RJ, career suicide
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Post#1475 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 1:58 am

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bringbackhoffa wrote:Ja and JJJ going to be on the same team in the SIM and in real life!

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Fcuk now I have to trade up to #1 to get JAM

You dont want that Future Pelican/Knick RJ, career suicide



Lol gl with that.

Rj being Canadian has some bias from me but dude doesnt have a consistent jumper and am not willing to risk passing up on Ja as I need a floor general

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Post#1476 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 2:12 am

Ahh the season of mind games. I love it

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Post#1477 » by bishnykfan » Wed May 15, 2019 2:14 am

bringbackhoffa wrote:
King of Canada wrote:
bringbackhoffa wrote:I think it should be increased substantially higher u have rookies make close.

For example Andrew Wiggins signed a 5 yr 146.5 million extension which is essentially 30 mil per yr or approx 30 percent of the cap. Extensions in the game should be similar to real life so 30 percent of our cap is $300 so extensions should start at that amount annually

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But we don’t have a soft cap and bird
Rights, which contribute to the size of those rookie extensions

Even so they should be somewhat close these extensions would only be 10 to 15 percent of cap as opposed to 30.

A player like ayton would definately elect for free agency as he would secure 300+ per yr

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It is not a realistic option. There is no agent to negotiate this extension. And how do you differentiate from one player to the next? You can't just say all extensions start at 10-15% of the cap for all players. And IRL the extension doesn't begin until after the initial contract is over. In this case, the extension takes the place of the initial contract immediately so the player is getting paid significantly more sooner than they do IRL.
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Post#1478 » by bishnykfan » Wed May 15, 2019 3:02 am

Capn'O wrote:
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I'm saying.


You think so? I thought it would be almost impossible for some teams :D

In the example I posted, to give Bagley a max extension, he would get an additional $501 for the three years he gives up in FA. Obviously the lower the starting number, the lower the cost of the extension but even a max extension for Javon Carter (the #30 pick last year) would raise his salary from $48/4 ($12 a year) to $150/7 ($21 a year or a $102 raise for the three years).


Hoffa and I have cash.

I do agree that the raises should be substantial. Realistic to 2nd deals in the league.


But it all compounds year to year. You will still have to manage your cap and anticipate from year to year and be judicious with handing out extensions.

I'll take the Clips and Hornets as examples since you brought them up. The Clippers will have $60 of cap space going into this offseason. Your draft picks will cost you $37 leaving you with $23 for the rest of your team with zero open roster spots for free agents (if no other moves are made). If you wanted to give last years rookies (SGA/Vanderbilt) a max extension locking them up for the next six years you wouldn't be able to. You could afford one of them but not both. And in order to do that max extension for SGA, for instance, you would raise his salary to $44/year. That extension would put you up against the cap and leave you with only $2 in space. The following year, you have a few large expiring contracts so you would be in a better financial situation which would help you in giving extensions or use it in free agency.

The Hornets will have $218 in space this summer. $116 for draft picks leaves him with $102 in space. To give a max extension to Bamba and JJJ would bring Charlotte down to $31 in space. He also has expiring deals the following offseason so he would be able to use his financial flexibility further.

Either way, extensions will add up and most teams won't be able to give them out freely to everyone. But it will allow teams that handle their financials the option to keep their players longer.

But I am open to other ideas if things need to be tweaked.
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Post#1479 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 12:20 pm

Just noticed this

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Post#1480 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed May 15, 2019 12:23 pm

bishnykfan wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:
You think so? I thought it would be almost impossible for some teams :D

In the example I posted, to give Bagley a max extension, he would get an additional $501 for the three years he gives up in FA. Obviously the lower the starting number, the lower the cost of the extension but even a max extension for Javon Carter (the #30 pick last year) would raise his salary from $48/4 ($12 a year) to $150/7 ($21 a year or a $102 raise for the three years).


Hoffa and I have cash.

I do agree that the raises should be substantial. Realistic to 2nd deals in the league.


But it all compounds year to year. You will still have to manage your cap and anticipate from year to year and be judicious with handing out extensions.

I'll take the Clips and Hornets as examples since you brought them up. The Clippers will have $60 of cap space going into this offseason. Your draft picks will cost you $37 leaving you with $23 for the rest of your team with zero open roster spots for free agents (if no other moves are made). If you wanted to give last years rookies (SGA/Vanderbilt) a max extension locking them up for the next six years you wouldn't be able to. You could afford one of them but not both. And in order to do that max extension for SGA, for instance, you would raise his salary to $44/year. That extension would put you up against the cap and leave you with only $2 in space. The following year, you have a few large expiring contracts so you would be in a better financial situation which would help you in giving extensions or use it in free agency.

The Hornets will have $218 in space this summer. $116 for draft picks leaves him with $102 in space. To give a max extension to Bamba and JJJ would bring Charlotte down to $31 in space. He also has expiring deals the following offseason so he would be able to use his financial flexibility further.

Either way, extensions will add up and most teams won't be able to give them out freely to everyone. But it will allow teams that handle their financials the option to keep their players longer.

But I am open to other ideas if things need to be tweaked.

Once u lay it out like that, teams do have some tough decisions most will likely only be able to afford a 1 year extension

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