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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#341 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu May 16, 2019 11:09 am

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I'd do that.


I’d do it in a nanosecond, but Pelicans won’t. Randle showed he had game last year.


I don't think Randle will opt in, he's got a 9M player option, right? I don't think he'd be a great combo with Zion.

I see few people talking about Nassir Little. There's the (too) obvious Tar Heels connection, but he came out of the combine really positively so far. He could be a high ceiling pick, even if you already have Bacon and Bridges on the wings.


Even my UNC friends dont want Little. His shooting is a problem
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#342 » by predators » Thu May 16, 2019 2:12 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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I’d do it in a nanosecond, but Pelicans won’t. Randle showed he had game last year.


I don't think Randle will opt in, he's got a 9M player option, right? I don't think he'd be a great combo with Zion.

I see few people talking about Nassir Little. There's the (too) obvious Tar Heels connection, but he came out of the combine really positively so far. He could be a high ceiling pick, even if you already have Bacon and Bridges on the wings.


Even my UNC friends dont want Little. His shooting is a problem


I hate all of Tobacco road, but he's 6'6" with 7'2" wingspan, 19, athletic af, and can shoot a little already. I wouldn't completely hate it honestly. I'm generally of the mind set that nobody we draft at 12 is going to help us win games this year, so we might as well roll the dice on a guy with the physical tools.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#343 » by Hornet Mania » Thu May 16, 2019 2:19 pm

Little seems like a guy I'd take a shot on in the 20s, not the 10s.

I don't see him as much of a step up from JP Tokoto to be honest. I wanted to take Tokoto with a 2nd rounder because I like his energy, but he hasn't really panned out that well. Little is a better shooter so he should have a better career, but he's probably a bench wing at best.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#344 » by predators » Thu May 16, 2019 2:57 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:Little seems like a guy I'd take a shot on in the 20s, not the 10s.

I don't see him as much of a step up from JP Tokoto to be honest. I wanted to take Tokoto with a 2nd rounder because I like his energy, but he hasn't really panned out that well. Little is a better shooter so he should have a better career, but he's probably a bench wing at best.


Tokoto played 3 seasons at UNC, has a 4 inch shorter wingspan, and couldn't even shoot .700 from the charity stripe. I don't get the comparison at all honestly. Little is bigger, more athletic and already a more skilled basketball player then Tokoto was as a Junior.

If he can just be lengthy defender that can shoot wide open threes, he would be the best draft pick for the Hornets since Kemba. The bar isn't that high for a 12th pick.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#345 » by Hornet Mania » Thu May 16, 2019 3:11 pm

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Hornet Mania wrote:Little seems like a guy I'd take a shot on in the 20s, not the 10s.

I don't see him as much of a step up from JP Tokoto to be honest. I wanted to take Tokoto with a 2nd rounder because I like his energy, but he hasn't really panned out that well. Little is a better shooter so he should have a better career, but he's probably a bench wing at best.


Tokoto played 3 seasons at UNC, has a 4 inch shorter wingspan, and couldn't even shoot .700 from the charity stripe. I don't get the comparison at all honestly. Little is bigger, more athletic and already a more skilled basketball player then Tokoto was as a Junior.

If he can just be lengthy defender that can shoot wide open threes, he would be the best draft pick for the Hornets since Kemba. The bar isn't that high for a 12th pick.


Was his 3pt% really that good? I remembered him being shaky at best from deep so I checked and Little shot .269 from the college line, for comparison Miles shot .389 as a freshman and .364 as a sophomore.

I agree Little is clearly better than Tokoto, but I just disagree on how much better. I compared them because imo their strength at UNC was making defensive plays to get in transition, attacking the paint or just generally leveraging their athleticism to win their matchup. Little is a better athlete and also a bit more skilled so he did all this better than Tokoto, but like Tokoto I have concerns that when his athletic advantages diminish so will his value as a player.

I won't be super depressed if we pick Little at 12, that pick is a crap shoot anyway, but it won't inspire me much.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#346 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu May 16, 2019 3:33 pm

Little shot 26% from deep on 1.5 attempts a game. Got so bad he made a wide open 3 at home and the crowd went bananas.
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Post#347 » by predators » Thu May 16, 2019 3:46 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Little shot 26% from deep on 1.5 attempts a game. Got so bad he made a wide open 3 at home and the crowd went bananas.


Meh off the top of my head, Kawhi shot 20 % his freshman year, Don Mitchell shot 25% his freshman season, Pascal Siakam shot 0 %, Sometimes you gotta pick the body and hope he learns to hit a three instead of picking PFs the sams size as Klay Thompson, SGs the size of pgs etc..

He's not my #1, but anyone that has both the size and the skills right out of college is going to be long gone before 12. Might as well grip and rip it.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#348 » by cornchip » Thu May 16, 2019 4:10 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Seems like Charlotte Media is really wanting us to take a chance on Bol Bol.

He is a high risk high reward guy but idk if I love the pick for us.

Last time we took a chance on a physical freak but high risk we ended up with Biz.


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After Cody I don't know if I can stand another big with major injury issues.

Rui interests me. A Miles-Rui-Frank (no overpay) frontcourt has all kinds of modern NBA potential.
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Post#349 » by KingCat » Thu May 16, 2019 5:34 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Seems like Charlotte Media is really wanting us to take a chance on Bol Bol.

He is a high risk high reward guy but idk if I love the pick for us.

Last time we took a chance on a physical freak but high risk we ended up with Biz.


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After Cody I don't know if I can stand another big with major injury issues.

Rui interests me. A Miles-Rui-Frank (no overpay) frontcourt has all kinds of modern NBA potential.


I’m not sure about Miles being a good fit for a modern day wing player. He is extremely slow laterally and I doubt he can ever effectively guard quick SF let alone shooting guards.

Because of this, I want to take a serious look at Sekou Doumbouya. His game is a lot like Gerald Wallace except at 18, his shooting form is already much better than Crash’s ever was. He will be extremely effective in the heavy switching defense of today’s NBA as he can guard 1-4. The dude has a ton of boom potential and I think teams will regret passing on him. Honestly might not even be available at 12. Dude is 18 and already has a ideal NBA body.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#350 » by Soul Rebel » Thu May 16, 2019 9:36 pm

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25centsandwich wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Seems like Charlotte Media is really wanting us to take a chance on Bol Bol.

He is a high risk high reward guy but idk if I love the pick for us.

Last time we took a chance on a physical freak but high risk we ended up with Biz.


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After Cody I don't know if I can stand another big with major injury issues.

Rui interests me. A Miles-Rui-Frank (no overpay) frontcourt has all kinds of modern NBA potential.


I’m not sure about Miles being a good fit for a modern day wing player. He is extremely slow laterally and I doubt he can ever effectively guard quick SF let alone shooting guards.

Because of this, I want to take a serious look at Sekou Doumbouya. His game is a lot like Gerald Wallace except at 18, his shooting form is already much better than Crash’s ever was. He will be extremely effective in the heavy switching defense of today’s NBA as he can guard 1-4. The dude has a ton of boom potential and I think teams will regret passing on him. Honestly might not even be available at 12. Dude is 18 Ben already has a ideal NBA body.


How does he compare to previous countrymen? After the most recent Batum and prior Diaw & Ajinca failed projects here, I'm very gun shy about a French player.

Is he simiar or does he go against the stereotype that we've experienced? I'm asking bc I haven't seen enough of him play or heard enough about him, but have seen him in the top-10 in at least one or two mocks that I've seen.
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Post#351 » by bravor » Thu May 16, 2019 11:08 pm

Doumbouya started in pro league here (second division, in Poitiers) at 16ish and his rookie season was promising (he had already a nice body against mostly adults and physical players). His second season with Poitiers was disappointing though.

Technically he is one of most talented forward we ever had, with better handles than Diaw (he can dribble with both hands and is protecting the ball pretty well here). He has a nice court vision, already decent shooting skill.
But as i already said here, he seems to chose his games and is really not consistent. Now he plays in Limoges in our 1st division, but while everyone expected him to be the best prospect, he had a worst season than Maledon (who will be eligible next year with K. Hayes who is probably the most gifted young prospect we had in a long time).
With the body and skillset he has, he should already be dominating. The only good thing being that he does not seem to shy away from responsabilities and he is not afraid of geting into the paint to get it done. One of the problem being that it's rather easy for him here, and we had some prospect who had an edge and thought it was enough and never put the work they needed to take the next step in their game. That's among the question marks i have with Doumbouya (as well as his capacity of playing oversea far from his family), but he is still very young.
Since we are short in quality forward in our NT, i hope he will hit his (huge) potential in the nba, but he could be another Moiso somehow (not talking about the ncaa run, but about the attitude/pouting/effort stuff).

I already said i did not think it was a good idea for Charlotte. I'd rather see Y. Pons orJ. Hoard drafted late in the second round instead. And considering the mess with Batum (i never undestood the hate towards Diaw, the dude is by far the best - though underachiever - nba player we ever had), it would be dumb to pick one.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#352 » by yosemiteben » Fri May 17, 2019 12:58 am

Oh snap, Diaw better than Kemba? Them's fighting words
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Post#353 » by Diop » Fri May 17, 2019 1:40 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:Little shot 26% from deep on 1.5 attempts a game. Got so bad he made a wide open 3 at home and the crowd went bananas.


Meh off the top of my head, Kawhi shot 20 % his freshman year, Don Mitchell shot 25% his freshman season, Pascal Siakam shot 0 %, Sometimes you gotta pick the body and hope he learns to hit a three instead of picking PFs the sams size as Klay Thompson, SGs the size of pgs etc..

He's not my #1, but anyone that has both the size and the skills right out of college is going to be long gone before 12. Might as well grip and rip it.

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Post#354 » by KingCat » Fri May 17, 2019 1:51 am

So is little essentially this years Kevin Knox? Every year there to be a wing player that underachieves in college but gets Paul George comparisons.
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Post#355 » by Bassman » Fri May 17, 2019 2:20 am

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Post#356 » by Bassman » Fri May 17, 2019 2:26 am

KingCat wrote:So is little essentially this years Kevin Knox? Every year there to be a wing player that underachieves in college but gets Paul George comparisons.


I’m not as high on Little but when you’re picking 12th you take BPA. In the current draftnet mock he goes 9th or 10th so doubtful we get a chance. That mock has us taking Bruno from Maryland. I kinda like that option but in the second round (seriously doubt he goes 1st round). CBS mock has us taking Jaxson Hayes PF from Texas, with Charlotte’s own Grant Williams of Tennessee going just after. Williams is a better shooter and has 3 point range but is 6-7 and almost a Miles clone.
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Post#357 » by KingCat » Fri May 17, 2019 2:51 am

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KingCat wrote:So is little essentially this years Kevin Knox? Every year there to be a wing player that underachieves in college but gets Paul George comparisons.


I’m not as high on Little but when you’re picking 12th you take BPA. In the current draftnet mock he goes 9th or 10th so doubtful we get a chance. That mock has us taking Bruno from Maryland. I kinda like that option but in the second round (seriously doubt he goes 1st round). CBS mock has us taking Jaxson Hayes PF from Texas, with Charlotte’s own Grant Williams of Tennessee going just after. Williams is a better shooter and has 3 point range but is 6-7 and almost a Miles clone.


I wasn’t using the Knox comparison to Bash little. I still kinda like Knox as a prospect, and I think he can still be a pretty good player. Who would be higher on your board, Cam Reddish or Little?
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#358 » by KingCat » Fri May 17, 2019 3:04 am

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Post#359 » by yosemiteben » Fri May 17, 2019 3:32 am

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No. No. Jesus Christ no. Not again.

Don't understand that reaction. Stepien has him ranked as fifth best prospect in the class.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#360 » by JDR720 » Fri May 17, 2019 3:42 am

He is basically another Jerami Grant, not that interested in him.

6-8 "PF" that blocks shots but cant shoot. He could be an MKG replacement though.

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